Tabs vs Spaces
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Sounds like a catch-22 to me. :( To each, his own choice (but then, of course, everyone gets the results of each other's choice as well as their own).
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"You must be the change you wish to see in the world." - Mahatma Gandhijdunlap wrote: Sounds like a catch-22 to me. Not at all. If you always use spaces, everything will align correctly regardless of what anybody's tab settings are.
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jdunlap wrote: Sounds like a catch-22 to me. Not at all. If you always use spaces, everything will align correctly regardless of what anybody's tab settings are.
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:rose: I like my indenting to be more than one character width, and I don't want to have to go space-space-space-space for each indent. :rose: Things can get really messed up with spaces, as it takes so many spaces for an indent. Why not use spaces for comments, etc, and then tabs for other indents?
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:rose: I like my indenting to be more than one character width, and I don't want to have to go space-space-space-space for each indent. :rose: Things can get really messed up with spaces, as it takes so many spaces for an indent. Why not use spaces for comments, etc, and then tabs for other indents?
"Blessed are the peacemakers, for they shall be called sons of God." - Jesus
"You must be the change you wish to see in the world." - Mahatma Gandhijdunlap wrote: I don't want to have to go space-space-space-space for each indent. Virtually every editor on the planet has a switch to insert spaces instead of tabs. jdunlap wrote: Why not use spaces for comments, etc, and then tabs for other indents? Consistency. If you use one of the above-mentioned editors, then you don't have to remember anything.
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jdunlap wrote: I don't want to have to go space-space-space-space for each indent. Virtually every editor on the planet has a switch to insert spaces instead of tabs. jdunlap wrote: Why not use spaces for comments, etc, and then tabs for other indents? Consistency. If you use one of the above-mentioned editors, then you don't have to remember anything.
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Ahh... You're right! I checked into it, and I've been using them all along - just used the tab key to indent. :-O :-O
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Ahh... You're right! I checked into it, and I've been using them all along - just used the tab key to indent. :-O :-O
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"You must be the change you wish to see in the world." - Mahatma GandhiGood lad :-D ;P
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Good lad :-D ;P
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l a u r e n wrote: people who use spaces should be shot I agree. I never use spaces. Or tabs. Or carriage returns, for that matter. Onelonglineofcodeafteranothershouldbeclearenoughforanyone;Thesemicolonsandcurlybracketsareeasyformachinestoreadanditdoesn'tmatterwhetherotherpeoplecanmakesenseofitwhenI'mdonebecauseit'salreadyperfectasitis.
"Ask not for whom the bell tolls;
It tolls for thee..."Amazingly I could read that... :omg:
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...and shoot everyone...
Shog9
So much he don't understand, Just might never make it to a man...
But not me cuz I use \t :-D
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l a u r e n wrote: people who use spaces should be shot I agree. I never use spaces. Or tabs. Or carriage returns, for that matter. Onelonglineofcodeafteranothershouldbeclearenoughforanyone;Thesemicolonsandcurlybracketsareeasyformachinestoreadanditdoesn'tmatterwhetherotherpeoplecanmakesenseofitwhenI'mdonebecauseit'salreadyperfectasitis.
"Ask not for whom the bell tolls;
It tolls for thee..."Roger Wright wrote: Onelonglineofcodeafteranothershouldbeclearenoughforanyone;Thesemicolonsandcurlybracketsareeasyformachinestoreadanditdoesn'tmatterwhetherotherpeoplecanmakesenseofitwhenI'mdonebecauseit'salreadyperfectasitis. OK! Who turned off the CP Perl Filter? :) Hey don't worry, I can handle it. I took something. I can see things no one else can see. Why are you dressed like that? - Jack Burton
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I know that this is quite a heated debate and I was always on the "Tabs forever" side of the argument but recently I've switched to spaces instead of tabs (due to factors outside of my control) and to be honest, I'm LOVING it. Now I can align all my code the way I like it and not have to worry about the tabs lining up with the parenthesis. What do you guys mostly use? Do your companies have a convention on this?
Spaces. That way I don't have to worry what editor is used, the code will always look the same. --
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I know that this is quite a heated debate and I was always on the "Tabs forever" side of the argument but recently I've switched to spaces instead of tabs (due to factors outside of my control) and to be honest, I'm LOVING it. Now I can align all my code the way I like it and not have to worry about the tabs lining up with the parenthesis. What do you guys mostly use? Do your companies have a convention on this?
Geez, flashback to arguments 15yrs ago. At that time the consensus was tabs to the first character in a line, spaces after that. Not that that solves all the problems. Perhaps the argument should be turned from 'tabs vs. spaces', to 'people who don't use 4 spaces per tab stop should be shot'. Personally after having used both systems for years I now use the aforementioned tabs at the start, spaces within. With VS indent/unindent toolbar buttons I find tabs at the start much easier to live with. ...cmk
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I know that this is quite a heated debate and I was always on the "Tabs forever" side of the argument but recently I've switched to spaces instead of tabs (due to factors outside of my control) and to be honest, I'm LOVING it. Now I can align all my code the way I like it and not have to worry about the tabs lining up with the parenthesis. What do you guys mostly use? Do your companies have a convention on this?
Spaces look great in that everything is layed out just the way the originator intended. The trouble is when you have to maintain a multitude of files that you didn't originally create and they all use a different number of spaces for indenting. You don't want to have to switch your editor's tabs/spaces. Tabs were invented for a reason. They abstractly represent an indentation without forcing a certain appearance on the viewer. Like HTML, beauty is in the eye of the beholder, not the creator. If someone wants to read their news in 16-pt Times Roman Font with double line spacing, they should be able to. Just the same, if someone wants to read your code in a manner that they are more accustomed to and is easier on their eyes, they should have a right. The chief complaint everyone has with tabs is that people mix tabs with spaces to line things up in their editor without realizing that it won't line up in someone else's. This is the true villain here. Whichever you choose, don't mix them up. I personally choose to line up my comments at a certain tab stop, though as there might still be conflicts when text runs past this point, I often don't line up my comments. I put them precisely two spaces after the code. However, on multi-line function headers, I do line up all the parameters on a common tab stop. E.g. void MyFunc1(int param1, int param2, int param3); void MyFunc2( int param1, int param2, int param3); void MyFunc3(int param1, int param2, int param3); Ironically, I had to use spaces to simulate tabs here. :laugh: The bottom line is that consistency is everything. If you use spaces, don't use tabs. If you use tabs, be careful with your spaces. After all, if it's not consistent, how can you call it a style?
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In a perfect world, that's perhaps what would happen. In practice, it never does. People often want to lay things out (e.g. in comments) but align on columns that are not at tabstops. So they type TAB TAB SPACE SPACE "xxx". Which ends up unreadable unless you have your tabstops set the same.
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Taka Muraoka wrote: So they type TAB TAB SPACE SPACE "xxx". Doesn't this imply that people using spaces should be shot? ;P Cheers, Fredrik
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I know that this is quite a heated debate and I was always on the "Tabs forever" side of the argument but recently I've switched to spaces instead of tabs (due to factors outside of my control) and to be honest, I'm LOVING it. Now I can align all my code the way I like it and not have to worry about the tabs lining up with the parenthesis. What do you guys mostly use? Do your companies have a convention on this?
Tabs until the first non white char; spaces after that.
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I know that this is quite a heated debate and I was always on the "Tabs forever" side of the argument but recently I've switched to spaces instead of tabs (due to factors outside of my control) and to be honest, I'm LOVING it. Now I can align all my code the way I like it and not have to worry about the tabs lining up with the parenthesis. What do you guys mostly use? Do your companies have a convention on this?
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jdunlap wrote: tell us why tabs are so bad. Have you ever had to work on source code written by somebody who had their tab stops set differently to you?
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Select text. Alt+F8. Done.
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People who use tabs should be shot!!!
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The first thing I do when I open a code file that isn't mine is CTRL+A ALT+F8. And if that doesn't catch them all, a quick "Tabify selection" does the trick. :-D So when should I expect to see you?
David Wulff
"It is a helpless feeling to be unable to make something so terribly wrong... right."
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Don't sweat the petty stuff. Spaces vs. tabs is much more important :-|
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Don't sweat the petty stuff and don't pet the sweaty stuff. What is Chris Meech that said that, it rings a bell? :)
David Wulff
"It is a helpless feeling to be unable to make something so terribly wrong... right."
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jdunlap wrote: I don't want to have to go space-space-space-space for each indent. Virtually every editor on the planet has a switch to insert spaces instead of tabs. jdunlap wrote: Why not use spaces for comments, etc, and then tabs for other indents? Consistency. If you use one of the above-mentioned editors, then you don't have to remember anything.
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Taka Muraoka wrote: Virtually every editor on the planet has a switch to insert spaces instead of tabs Yes, but what about backspacing? :rolleyes:
David Wulff
"It is a helpless feeling to be unable to make something so terribly wrong... right."
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The first thing I do when I open a code file that isn't mine is CTRL+A ALT+F8. And if that doesn't catch them all, a quick "Tabify selection" does the trick. :-D So when should I expect to see you?
David Wulff
"It is a helpless feeling to be unable to make something so terribly wrong... right."
David Wulff wrote: The first thing I do when I open a code file that isn't mine is CTRL+A ALT+F8. S.Rod suggested the same thing but this is not the answer. 1) Not everyone uses Visual Studio. I ran into this problem the most when I was working under UNIX. 2) Checking such a file back into source control is a real PITA because it becomes really hard to tell what is a legitimate change and what is tab-fixing. David Wulff wrote: So when should I expect to see you? Any time. Any place. :-|
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