Sorry, whats the problem with face detect for police use?
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W∴ Balboos, GHB wrote:
I somewhat often will deliberately garble expressions in that manner - oddly, few even notice.
I do it a lot, but find that many people don't even notice the whooshing noise. Pearls before swine, I tell you!
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This is weird. "pearls before swine" - I use that (sadly) all too often. Here's the weird. Basically we argue and disagree on a considerable number of things, yet, we oddly have developed similar speech-games (when we play with our two-legged toys). Should you be in the mood, the link in my by-line area, "Ravings en masse" contains any number of saying you might have already thought of and/or are welcome to use. As a sample:
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It is said "It takes all kinds of people to make a world." There are some, however, that we can all do better without. - September 25 2018 11:11 AM
Note that some of the earlier contributions are less interesting. Format: Others' quotes on the left, mine on the right, except the one on the left about equality - that one's mine. Feel free to skip the whole thing
"The difference between genius and stupidity is that genius has its limits." - Albert Einstein
"If you are searching for perfection in others, then you seek disappointment. If you seek perfection in yourself, then you will find failure." - Balboos HaGadol Mar 2010
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dandy72 wrote:
You don't get the sort of mass surveillance we're facing today without it.
True. But my imagination is not good enough to even come up with the dangers of people knowing what you like to eat or where you buy your clothes. Is yours?
dandy72 wrote:
governments benefit from said surveillance.
How?
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ZurdoDev wrote:
But my imagination is not good enough to even come up with the dangers of people knowing what you like to eat or where you buy your clothes. Is yours?
It's not so much that there's anything inherently "dangerous" about it, in and of itself. It's that it's nobody's elephanting business but my own. If I knew some guy was constantly following me and jotting down where I am, what I'm doing, who I'm talking to, etc, it wouldn't take long before I confronted the guy and told him to leave me alone. Even though there's nothing "dangerous" he could do with that information. It wouldn't bother you?
ZurdoDev wrote:
dandy72 wrote:
governments benefit from said surveillance.
How?
Let me spin that around: If it didn't, why do they bother?
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ZurdoDev wrote:
But my imagination is not good enough to even come up with the dangers of people knowing what you like to eat or where you buy your clothes. Is yours?
It's not so much that there's anything inherently "dangerous" about it, in and of itself. It's that it's nobody's elephanting business but my own. If I knew some guy was constantly following me and jotting down where I am, what I'm doing, who I'm talking to, etc, it wouldn't take long before I confronted the guy and told him to leave me alone. Even though there's nothing "dangerous" he could do with that information. It wouldn't bother you?
ZurdoDev wrote:
dandy72 wrote:
governments benefit from said surveillance.
How?
Let me spin that around: If it didn't, why do they bother?
dandy72 wrote:
It wouldn't bother you?
No, it wouldn't bother me that the person knew what I was eating or buying.
dandy72 wrote:
Let me spin that around: If it didn't, why do they bother?
I don't know. Which is why I asked you how they benefit.
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This is weird. "pearls before swine" - I use that (sadly) all too often. Here's the weird. Basically we argue and disagree on a considerable number of things, yet, we oddly have developed similar speech-games (when we play with our two-legged toys). Should you be in the mood, the link in my by-line area, "Ravings en masse" contains any number of saying you might have already thought of and/or are welcome to use. As a sample:
Quote:
It is said "It takes all kinds of people to make a world." There are some, however, that we can all do better without. - September 25 2018 11:11 AM
Note that some of the earlier contributions are less interesting. Format: Others' quotes on the left, mine on the right, except the one on the left about equality - that one's mine. Feel free to skip the whole thing
"The difference between genius and stupidity is that genius has its limits." - Albert Einstein
"If you are searching for perfection in others, then you seek disappointment. If you seek perfection in yourself, then you will find failure." - Balboos HaGadol Mar 2010
"Pearls before swine" is biblical, and, oh boy, do I know a lot about the Bible! (Several thousand per cent more than most of the rissoles I've encountered who claim moral superiority for being Christian without having a clue what being Christian means). But I'm ridiculously precise with words, and intentionally phrase things to have multiple meanings, whereas most people can only do that unintentionally. Quotes, sayings, and old saws are grist for that kind of mill.
I wanna be a eunuchs developer! Pass me a bread knife!
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"Pearls before swine" is biblical, and, oh boy, do I know a lot about the Bible! (Several thousand per cent more than most of the rissoles I've encountered who claim moral superiority for being Christian without having a clue what being Christian means). But I'm ridiculously precise with words, and intentionally phrase things to have multiple meanings, whereas most people can only do that unintentionally. Quotes, sayings, and old saws are grist for that kind of mill.
I wanna be a eunuchs developer! Pass me a bread knife!
Mark_Wallace wrote:
But I'm ridiculously precise with words
You find yourself in good company![^]
"The difference between genius and stupidity is that genius has its limits." - Albert Einstein
"If you are searching for perfection in others, then you seek disappointment. If you seek perfection in yourself, then you will find failure." - Balboos HaGadol Mar 2010
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Mark_Wallace wrote:
But I'm ridiculously precise with words
You find yourself in good company![^]
"The difference between genius and stupidity is that genius has its limits." - Albert Einstein
"If you are searching for perfection in others, then you seek disappointment. If you seek perfection in yourself, then you will find failure." - Balboos HaGadol Mar 2010
Well, why did you think I have "wall" in my name? To keep undesirable, murderous illnesses from spreading from the US to Mexico, obviously.
I wanna be a eunuchs developer! Pass me a bread knife!
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W∴ Balboos, GHB wrote:
I somewhat often will deliberately garble expressions in that manner - oddly, few even notice.
I do it a lot, but find that many people don't even notice the whooshing noise. Pearls before swine, I tell you!
I wanna be a eunuchs developer! Pass me a bread knife!
Mark_Wallace wrote:
people don't even notice the whooshing noise.
Or they are too polite to correct you. :laugh:
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Mark_Wallace wrote:
rocket surgeons.
I've been using that expression for years. Perhaps you noticed it at some point? Or, a frightening option, indeed: at some level we think alike.
"The difference between genius and stupidity is that genius has its limits." - Albert Einstein
"If you are searching for perfection in others, then you seek disappointment. If you seek perfection in yourself, then you will find failure." - Balboos HaGadol Mar 2010
Same. The other one I like to use is "cross all the i's and dot all the t's".
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Just reading through an article on Amazon and mentions the rekognistion tool, and that some "civil right activists claim it could lead to wrongful arrests". Its a tool. Yes, I understand if someone dumb and just relies on a tool 100%, that is on the human misusing the tool. A human is still involved in the process. It probably took a long time for CCTV black/white video recordings and camera to be tolerated. But it always sounds like person recognition tools are far worse. My basic understanding: At a big stadium you can have police focused on more intensive tasks then tons scanning the crowd. You still have a few scanning the crowd. Face detect tool identifies someone of high interest. Info is directed to nearest officer to approach. Office now should handle the rest as if they spotted the person them self. End. If a wrongful arrest happens, that is the fault of the existing system in place. If the computer made a lock or release decision, then I would be against it. That is NOT what it is being used for. "oh, but their are cases where judges use machine-learning tools to make decisions". Again, that is a poor judge mis understanding how the tool should be used - weather that is lack of training or been trained in a missleading way by the sellers of the tool. Now let me use this to better detect my cat to allow into the house. I still have a 10% fail that the neighbors cat is being allowed in. both tabbies and I think its something to do with the lighting ;P
The tech in itself doesn't worry me. Viewed in isolation it's great, identify murders rapist, thieves drug traffickers etc and get them off the streets. Yah! But when you look inconjuction with other technologies and at the laws that have been passed in the last twenty years, in which our rights have been slowly eroded (& will continue to erode). Who will they target once you get all the "bad" people off the streets, they are not going to dismantle the infrastructure, it'll be to much of an invested interest and so much power. Sorry don't mean to sound like a conspiracist.
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Mark_Wallace wrote:
people don't even notice the whooshing noise.
Or they are too polite to correct you. :laugh:
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ZurdoDev wrote:
Or they are too polite to correct you.
With yet another example of fixing whut wasn't broke?
I wanna be a eunuchs developer! Pass me a bread knife!
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Same. The other one I like to use is "cross all the i's and dot all the t's".
yacCarsten wrote:
cross all the i's and dot all the t's".
I usually say that the other way round, so that the sort-of punchline is at the end.
I wanna be a eunuchs developer! Pass me a bread knife!
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Just reading through an article on Amazon and mentions the rekognistion tool, and that some "civil right activists claim it could lead to wrongful arrests". Its a tool. Yes, I understand if someone dumb and just relies on a tool 100%, that is on the human misusing the tool. A human is still involved in the process. It probably took a long time for CCTV black/white video recordings and camera to be tolerated. But it always sounds like person recognition tools are far worse. My basic understanding: At a big stadium you can have police focused on more intensive tasks then tons scanning the crowd. You still have a few scanning the crowd. Face detect tool identifies someone of high interest. Info is directed to nearest officer to approach. Office now should handle the rest as if they spotted the person them self. End. If a wrongful arrest happens, that is the fault of the existing system in place. If the computer made a lock or release decision, then I would be against it. That is NOT what it is being used for. "oh, but their are cases where judges use machine-learning tools to make decisions". Again, that is a poor judge mis understanding how the tool should be used - weather that is lack of training or been trained in a missleading way by the sellers of the tool. Now let me use this to better detect my cat to allow into the house. I still have a 10% fail that the neighbors cat is being allowed in. both tabbies and I think its something to do with the lighting ;P
It all depends on who is using the technology. If the Chinese are using it, it most certainly is totalitarian abuse of power to monitor the enitre population. If the US is doing exactly the same, it is for asserting the safety of the population. If you had pointed out any such discrpancy in 1984, it would be newspeak. If you point it out today, the respones is something like "Yeah, that is exactly the difference between totalitarianism and Freedom".
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dandy72 wrote:
You don't get the sort of mass surveillance we're facing today without it.
True. But my imagination is not good enough to even come up with the dangers of people knowing what you like to eat or where you buy your clothes. Is yours?
dandy72 wrote:
governments benefit from said surveillance.
How?
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Dangers? Well, at least it may be annoying. Like this coworker of mine who one day comes to tell me that he is worried about my lunch habits; the last two weeks I have eaten meats more times than I have eaten fish. Well, I guess his bookkeeping of my lunch menu is correct, but honestly, I prefer to enjoy my lunch without anyone, that be coworker or police, doing close bookkeeping of my menu choices. Recently, when a pizza place in town was mentioned, I remarked that I hadn't been there for years. This coworker of mine immediately set out to correct me: But we were there... no, that more than two years ago, almost two months more, so you could say it is years ago - but then you remarked to the waitress that they had been doing some remodelling since your last visit. ...Jeez! What makes someone spend their mental capacity on remembering which comments I made to a waitress more that two years ago? What else does he remember from years back that he could hold against me if some reason pops up? I was active in a singing group. The leader was very focused on our vocal quality - having fun and enjoying ourselves was secondary, or even lower. Pointing out details that we didn't do in a perfect way was far more essential than pointing out the success we made. I was constantly annoyed by this. Last fall, we were entertaining at a social event, mingeling with the guests afterwards, and I overheard our leader talking with one of the guests about how an earlier performance of ours hadn't been up to standards because I had made a mistake. That must have been at least five or six years earlier. Sure, I made that mistake, but repeating the story to strangers many years later was the last straw for me: I quit. What is the worst possible takeover of power that you could possibly imagine that could happen in your lifetime? A fundamentalist Christian theocracy? A communist economoy? A dictatorship of vegans? A fascist regime? A Moslem state? All of the above? In either case, you may safely assume that everything that is filed by the autorities, or filed by private interests that has come successfully through the power takeover, will be fully available to the new forces in power. Is there any "danger" of letting the police of a Christian or Moslem theocracy see all your grocery bills, see how much beer you drink, and which movies you have been streaming late at night? Is is OK if a military vegan rulership gets access to ten years of police drones hovering over your frequent outdoor grill parties?
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Dangers? Well, at least it may be annoying. Like this coworker of mine who one day comes to tell me that he is worried about my lunch habits; the last two weeks I have eaten meats more times than I have eaten fish. Well, I guess his bookkeeping of my lunch menu is correct, but honestly, I prefer to enjoy my lunch without anyone, that be coworker or police, doing close bookkeeping of my menu choices. Recently, when a pizza place in town was mentioned, I remarked that I hadn't been there for years. This coworker of mine immediately set out to correct me: But we were there... no, that more than two years ago, almost two months more, so you could say it is years ago - but then you remarked to the waitress that they had been doing some remodelling since your last visit. ...Jeez! What makes someone spend their mental capacity on remembering which comments I made to a waitress more that two years ago? What else does he remember from years back that he could hold against me if some reason pops up? I was active in a singing group. The leader was very focused on our vocal quality - having fun and enjoying ourselves was secondary, or even lower. Pointing out details that we didn't do in a perfect way was far more essential than pointing out the success we made. I was constantly annoyed by this. Last fall, we were entertaining at a social event, mingeling with the guests afterwards, and I overheard our leader talking with one of the guests about how an earlier performance of ours hadn't been up to standards because I had made a mistake. That must have been at least five or six years earlier. Sure, I made that mistake, but repeating the story to strangers many years later was the last straw for me: I quit. What is the worst possible takeover of power that you could possibly imagine that could happen in your lifetime? A fundamentalist Christian theocracy? A communist economoy? A dictatorship of vegans? A fascist regime? A Moslem state? All of the above? In either case, you may safely assume that everything that is filed by the autorities, or filed by private interests that has come successfully through the power takeover, will be fully available to the new forces in power. Is there any "danger" of letting the police of a Christian or Moslem theocracy see all your grocery bills, see how much beer you drink, and which movies you have been streaming late at night? Is is OK if a military vegan rulership gets access to ten years of police drones hovering over your frequent outdoor grill parties?
Member 7989122 wrote:
Well, at least it may be annoying.
Why are you annoyed that people track you?
Member 7989122 wrote:
the police of a Christian or Moslem theocracy see all your grocery bills, see how much beer you drink, and which movies you have been streaming late at night? Is is OK if a military vegan rulership gets access to ten years of police drones hovering over your frequent outdoor grill parties
I would not care.
Member 7989122 wrote:
Morals change rapidly
That IS the problem. Not tracking. I appreciate tracking. What good is a coupon for something I don't ever buy? Give me targeted ads instead of random ones.
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dandy72 wrote:
It wouldn't bother you?
No, it wouldn't bother me that the person knew what I was eating or buying.
dandy72 wrote:
Let me spin that around: If it didn't, why do they bother?
I don't know. Which is why I asked you how they benefit.
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ZurdoDev wrote:
No, it wouldn't bother me that the person knew what I was eating or buying.
It starts there; next thing you know all of your habits are being tracked. Your car's black box says (and your phone can corroborate it) you're quite the speeder, citizen, it's just dumb luck you haven't yet been caught by a cop. Your daily donut shop stop goes against what your doctor's been telling you, your health premium's going up as a consequence.
ZurdoDev wrote:
I don't know. Which is why I asked you how they benefit.
Ed Snowden has many stories he's shared with the rest of the world, and he's had to live in Russia ever since. I don't feel like I need to repeat what's public knowledge.
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Member 7989122 wrote:
Well, at least it may be annoying.
Why are you annoyed that people track you?
Member 7989122 wrote:
the police of a Christian or Moslem theocracy see all your grocery bills, see how much beer you drink, and which movies you have been streaming late at night? Is is OK if a military vegan rulership gets access to ten years of police drones hovering over your frequent outdoor grill parties
I would not care.
Member 7989122 wrote:
Morals change rapidly
That IS the problem. Not tracking. I appreciate tracking. What good is a coupon for something I don't ever buy? Give me targeted ads instead of random ones.
Social Media - A platform that makes it easier for the crazies to find each other. Everyone is born right handed. Only the strongest overcome it. Fight for left-handed rights and hand equality.
ZurdoDev wrote:
I appreciate tracking. What good is a coupon for something I don't ever buy? Give me targeted ads instead of random ones.
OMG. Let me guess, you're one of those surveyed who responded you'd give up your work password in exchange for a bar of chocolate?
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ZurdoDev wrote:
No, it wouldn't bother me that the person knew what I was eating or buying.
It starts there; next thing you know all of your habits are being tracked. Your car's black box says (and your phone can corroborate it) you're quite the speeder, citizen, it's just dumb luck you haven't yet been caught by a cop. Your daily donut shop stop goes against what your doctor's been telling you, your health premium's going up as a consequence.
ZurdoDev wrote:
I don't know. Which is why I asked you how they benefit.
Ed Snowden has many stories he's shared with the rest of the world, and he's had to live in Russia ever since. I don't feel like I need to repeat what's public knowledge.
dandy72 wrote:
Your car's black box says (and your phone can corroborate it) you're quite the speeder
That has already been proposed but I see this as totally different than just tracking habits.
dandy72 wrote:
Your daily donut shop stop goes against what your doctor's been telling you, your health premium's going up as a consequence.
Indirectly, that already happens. And quite frankly, that would be perfectly acceptable. Those creating a bigger risk in the pool of insured should pay more. Why not? Should I have to pay to subsidize your donut addiction? And like I said, if things got bad enough that tracking was an actual danger then we have much bigger problems than tracking. Tracking will feel minimal under those circumstances and tracking will never be the causes of things getting to that point.
dandy72 wrote:
I don't feel like I need to repeat what's public knowledge.
Never mind then. I thought you might be able to explain your position.
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dandy72 wrote:
Your car's black box says (and your phone can corroborate it) you're quite the speeder
That has already been proposed but I see this as totally different than just tracking habits.
dandy72 wrote:
Your daily donut shop stop goes against what your doctor's been telling you, your health premium's going up as a consequence.
Indirectly, that already happens. And quite frankly, that would be perfectly acceptable. Those creating a bigger risk in the pool of insured should pay more. Why not? Should I have to pay to subsidize your donut addiction? And like I said, if things got bad enough that tracking was an actual danger then we have much bigger problems than tracking. Tracking will feel minimal under those circumstances and tracking will never be the causes of things getting to that point.
dandy72 wrote:
I don't feel like I need to repeat what's public knowledge.
Never mind then. I thought you might be able to explain your position.
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ZurdoDev wrote:
Never mind then. I thought you might be able to explain your position.
It's just that at this point I really feel like you're the one who needs to do his own research and inform yourself. But clearly, that's never going to be important enough for you to care. Carry on then. I wish you the best.
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ZurdoDev wrote:
I appreciate tracking. What good is a coupon for something I don't ever buy? Give me targeted ads instead of random ones.
OMG. Let me guess, you're one of those surveyed who responded you'd give up your work password in exchange for a bar of chocolate?
dandy72 wrote:
Let me guess, you're one of those surveyed who responded you'd give up your work password in exchange for a bar of chocolate?
Why such a juvenile response? Are you suggesting you'd rather see ads that are meaningless to you rather than ones that might actually be good for you? When girl scouts knock on your door are you afraid someone is coming to take your guns away? :laugh: :laugh:
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Member 7989122 wrote:
Well, at least it may be annoying.
Why are you annoyed that people track you?
Member 7989122 wrote:
the police of a Christian or Moslem theocracy see all your grocery bills, see how much beer you drink, and which movies you have been streaming late at night? Is is OK if a military vegan rulership gets access to ten years of police drones hovering over your frequent outdoor grill parties
I would not care.
Member 7989122 wrote:
Morals change rapidly
That IS the problem. Not tracking. I appreciate tracking. What good is a coupon for something I don't ever buy? Give me targeted ads instead of random ones.
Social Media - A platform that makes it easier for the crazies to find each other. Everyone is born right handed. Only the strongest overcome it. Fight for left-handed rights and hand equality.
ZurdoDev wrote:
Why are you annoyed that people track you?
There are fundamentalist Christians in this country that won't pull the window curtains (or have any curtains at all), because they try to live a life so moral that they have nothing to hide. Nevertheless, their bedroom windows do have curtains. As the song goes: "Ain't nobody's business". No matter how moral the bedroom activities of these fundamentalists are, it is nobody's business how they do it. They don't want to be continously monitored in their bedroom. I extend that to my living room. And to my selection of dishes in the canteen. And my comments to the waitress. Of course you see and hear it then and there, but when you start to log it systematically, for correcting my actions or statements many years later, then you interfere with my life in ways I do not appreciate. Maybe you have been living your entire life in on of the upper floors of a tall apartment building, so that noone can look in your window (both in the direct and the allegorical sense). You do your shopping where noone recognizes you. You go to the other side of the town for a night out, so none of your neighbours will talk about how drunk you get. Maybe you live your physical life more or less in loneliness. Noone talking behind your back, because they don't relate to you. Noone at work trying to correct your lifestyle to fit their ideals, because you are nothing but a humanoid coworker machine. Maybe noone cares about you enough to relate to you in neither positive or negative ways. In smaller places you may not be able to hide in the crowd. Maybe you think it is OK being tagged as the village drunkard, or he who watches dubious movies, or he who mistreats his kids. You may be socially frozen out. People may avoid doing business with you. You may be hearing rumours that other kids are told not to play with your kids. Yes, you can say "I do not care". What if you get in trouble with the police, say that you are suscpected of drunk driving? Surveillance cameras prove that you bought two sixpacks the day before. You claim that they are still in your fridge. But the cameras showed that you have bought twelve sixpacks the last two week, where did they go? That might be the wrong time to say: I don't care!
I would not care.
Maybe you don't realize the seriousness. What we are talking about, is that you may be breaking the laws, whether by a new interpretation or new laws. You ma