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  • OriginalGriffO OriginalGriff

    Suppose you are under lockdown - you probably are - but you fancy having a party anyway. You'd keep the music down, close all the curtains, or live in a house miles from the neighbours, yes? Not in Englands third most populous city you don't: Coronavirus: Greater Manchester Police warning after 660 parties shut down - BBC News[^] 660 parties in a weekend, some with fireworks (so the police can spot you from further away), DJ (so the choons are nice'n'loud), or bouncy castles ... or to be really obvious, have it outdoors as a street party (166 of them!). Don't warn 'em - arrest 'em, and put them up before a court on Monday morning ... A weekend in teh cells counts as Social Distancing, doesn't it? :laugh:

    "I have no idea what I did, but I'm taking full credit for it." - ThisOldTony AntiTwitter: @DalekDave is now a follower!

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    agolddog
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    Except that the cells are overcrowded and don't allow for distancing. Apparently, many jails in the US are releasing people early to try to alleviate this. But year, WTF? People are dumb.

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    • M Mark_Wallace

      Greg Utas wrote:

      Those warnings wouldn't be there if it weren't for lawyers.

      Well, lawyers and Stella Liebeck.

      I wanna be a eunuchs developer! Pass me a bread knife!

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      Matt Bond
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      Look up Adam Ruins Everything's episode on Stella Liebeck: https://www.langspace.com/en/video/10562571681662260[^]. That was a legit case of negligence. It just got promoted as a frivolous lawsuit. Bond Keep all things a simple as possible, but no simpler. -said someone, somewhere

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      • M Mark_Wallace

        Greg Utas wrote:

        Those warnings wouldn't be there if it weren't for lawyers.

        Well, lawyers and Stella Liebeck.

        I wanna be a eunuchs developer! Pass me a bread knife!

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        etkid84
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        Correction, the warnings wouldn't be there "but for" Darwinism...i.e. those who are nominated for the Darwin Award. ;P

        ~d~

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        • M Matt Bond

          Look up Adam Ruins Everything's episode on Stella Liebeck: https://www.langspace.com/en/video/10562571681662260[^]. That was a legit case of negligence. It just got promoted as a frivolous lawsuit. Bond Keep all things a simple as possible, but no simpler. -said someone, somewhere

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          Mark_Wallace
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          Oh, well, if a comedy show says that you don't have to be careful when you buy something that's hot... I'm no fan of McD, but how many years were they selling coffee -- and how many cups -- before someone sued because they scalded themselves with it? I don't think I'd accept something that's a one-in-five-hundred-million chance, and that has gone wrong once over a span of decades, as a good reason to rewrite a program. I doubt that car companies would accept that crashes caused by inattention were their fault, either. And let's not even start on kitchen tools, unless you'd prefer to buy knives that can't cut meat.

          I wanna be a eunuchs developer! Pass me a bread knife!

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          • J Jorgen Andersson

            There's a rumour that Husqvarna had the sarcastic warning text on their chainsaws: "Do not attempt to stop chain with your hands or genitals" I strongly doubt that there is any truth in it, but funny nonetheless.

            Wrong is evil and must be defeated. - Jeff Ello

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            RecioIII
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            For every warning label there's at least one good story! We don't need lawyers if we just rely on Darwin's law. :cool:

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            • OriginalGriffO OriginalGriff

              Suppose you are under lockdown - you probably are - but you fancy having a party anyway. You'd keep the music down, close all the curtains, or live in a house miles from the neighbours, yes? Not in Englands third most populous city you don't: Coronavirus: Greater Manchester Police warning after 660 parties shut down - BBC News[^] 660 parties in a weekend, some with fireworks (so the police can spot you from further away), DJ (so the choons are nice'n'loud), or bouncy castles ... or to be really obvious, have it outdoors as a street party (166 of them!). Don't warn 'em - arrest 'em, and put them up before a court on Monday morning ... A weekend in teh cells counts as Social Distancing, doesn't it? :laugh:

              "I have no idea what I did, but I'm taking full credit for it." - ThisOldTony AntiTwitter: @DalekDave is now a follower!

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              Rich Leyshon
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              Well I've never considered myself right wing, but surely to God we have some uninhabited islands around our coastline. Ship 'em all over there and go and collect the survivors in three months. As I've not heard a single comment/quote/announcement from the Home Secretary during this period, perhaps I should offer my services in the role ...

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              • K k5054

                Isn't there a sci-fi/fantasy/zombie-land story that starts out that way ...

                Keep Calm and Carry On

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                Escape from New York as a movie, but I read a short story years before that movie about a similar concept. I think it was written by Heinlein.

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                • OriginalGriffO OriginalGriff

                  Suppose you are under lockdown - you probably are - but you fancy having a party anyway. You'd keep the music down, close all the curtains, or live in a house miles from the neighbours, yes? Not in Englands third most populous city you don't: Coronavirus: Greater Manchester Police warning after 660 parties shut down - BBC News[^] 660 parties in a weekend, some with fireworks (so the police can spot you from further away), DJ (so the choons are nice'n'loud), or bouncy castles ... or to be really obvious, have it outdoors as a street party (166 of them!). Don't warn 'em - arrest 'em, and put them up before a court on Monday morning ... A weekend in teh cells counts as Social Distancing, doesn't it? :laugh:

                  "I have no idea what I did, but I'm taking full credit for it." - ThisOldTony AntiTwitter: @DalekDave is now a follower!

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                  Steve Naidamast
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                  You really can't protect people from their own stupidity... One of the reasons for all the hype in the US media regarding COVID-19 is specifically for that targeting of young people who are not listening and are causing the virus to spread unnecessarily further as with the situation in Florida. Luckily up here in New York, everyone is doing their job to stop this outbreak, even many of the young people I see are following the health guidelines. But we still have a lot of very stupid people in the States who still believe Fox News is accurate reporting...

                  Steve Naidamast Sr. Software Engineer Black Falcon Software, Inc. blackfalconsoftware@outlook.com

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                  • Greg UtasG Greg Utas

                    Sure, but judges who don't have the sense to dismiss such cases with prejudice are almost all former lawyers.

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                    It's called, keeping their crony friends in business. I help you and you help me by keeping cases coming in.

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                    • R RecioIII

                      For every warning label there's at least one good story! We don't need lawyers if we just rely on Darwin's law. :cool:

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                      James Lonero
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                      Unfortunately, the lawyers write the laws and to keep themselves in business, they've written Darwin out of the laws. Dollars (or what ever currency) over destiny. Where usually, the lawyers get the lion's share of the award.

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                      • OriginalGriffO OriginalGriff

                        Suppose you are under lockdown - you probably are - but you fancy having a party anyway. You'd keep the music down, close all the curtains, or live in a house miles from the neighbours, yes? Not in Englands third most populous city you don't: Coronavirus: Greater Manchester Police warning after 660 parties shut down - BBC News[^] 660 parties in a weekend, some with fireworks (so the police can spot you from further away), DJ (so the choons are nice'n'loud), or bouncy castles ... or to be really obvious, have it outdoors as a street party (166 of them!). Don't warn 'em - arrest 'em, and put them up before a court on Monday morning ... A weekend in teh cells counts as Social Distancing, doesn't it? :laugh:

                        "I have no idea what I did, but I'm taking full credit for it." - ThisOldTony AntiTwitter: @DalekDave is now a follower!

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                        SeattleC
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                        Lock 'em up in close confinement. There is a particularly Darwinian thing going on in jails and prisons under the coronavirus. No, wait. That's giving Darwin too much of a hand. Just fine each partier a big 'ol fine and send them back home to incubate the virus they got from the party crowd. It's not polite to wish death on people.

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                        • OriginalGriffO OriginalGriff

                          Suppose you are under lockdown - you probably are - but you fancy having a party anyway. You'd keep the music down, close all the curtains, or live in a house miles from the neighbours, yes? Not in Englands third most populous city you don't: Coronavirus: Greater Manchester Police warning after 660 parties shut down - BBC News[^] 660 parties in a weekend, some with fireworks (so the police can spot you from further away), DJ (so the choons are nice'n'loud), or bouncy castles ... or to be really obvious, have it outdoors as a street party (166 of them!). Don't warn 'em - arrest 'em, and put them up before a court on Monday morning ... A weekend in teh cells counts as Social Distancing, doesn't it? :laugh:

                          "I have no idea what I did, but I'm taking full credit for it." - ThisOldTony AntiTwitter: @DalekDave is now a follower!

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                          I am not trying to defend anyone or anything, I would only like everyone to consider several things: - what freedoms are people willingly giving up during the Wuhan virus pandemic - laws are being broken (like right to assembly, free speech etc) - rights are being violated - will we return to pre-pandemic life when this thing blows over? It's one thing to make a party during a pandemic, and a completely different thing to sit in a park 5m (app 15ft) from the nearest person, and getting removed with an excuse: you are not jogging; and then accused of spreading the virus even you aren't infected. Even worse example is calling the police on a guy that's coughing, and it turned out the guy's a smoker, or even weirder, calling the police on the guy that was coughing cause a fly flew into the guy's mouth while yawning. Who's more stupid, people that are making a party during a pandemic or people that blindly obey every government's decision is debatable. All I am saying here is: think ahead, and be careful people, pandemic is not the only bad thing that's happening.

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                          • Greg UtasG Greg Utas

                            Those warnings wouldn't be there if it weren't for lawyers. All such warnings, and the lawyers who provoke them, are an abomination because they subvert natural selection.

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                            W Balboos GHB
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                            Greg Utas wrote:

                            if it weren't for lawyer

                            Right now, everyone is fawning over the health care workers so this may be a hard sell. But, in normal times, the only protection a person has against MD (etc) is the lawyers. They are as bad as that "thin blue line" of silence from police officers not ratting out other officers who commit crimes (or let them go on driving drunk - a common-ish one). And they lawyers - sure for money - are also the closest thing you have to a chance-in-hell if a giant corporation decides to screw you. Naturally, after consulting their lawyers. It so often comes back to that famous line in the Pogo comic strip of days gone by: "We have met the enemy and he is us"* * also refers to the OP,

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                              Greg Utas wrote:

                              if it weren't for lawyer

                              Right now, everyone is fawning over the health care workers so this may be a hard sell. But, in normal times, the only protection a person has against MD (etc) is the lawyers. They are as bad as that "thin blue line" of silence from police officers not ratting out other officers who commit crimes (or let them go on driving drunk - a common-ish one). And they lawyers - sure for money - are also the closest thing you have to a chance-in-hell if a giant corporation decides to screw you. Naturally, after consulting their lawyers. It so often comes back to that famous line in the Pogo comic strip of days gone by: "We have met the enemy and he is us"* * also refers to the OP,

                              Ravings en masse^

                              "The difference between genius and stupidity is that genius has its limits." - Albert Einstein

                              "If you are searching for perfection in others, then you seek disappointment. If you seek perfection in yourself, then you will find failure." - Balboos HaGadol Mar 2010

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                              Lawyers definitely have a place, but the US could do with more judgments where the plaintiff has to pay the defendant's costs. This rarely happens in the US but is done elsewhere to discourage frivolous lawsuits.

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                              • Greg UtasG Greg Utas

                                Lawyers definitely have a place, but the US could do with more judgments where the plaintiff has to pay the defendant's costs. This rarely happens in the US but is done elsewhere to discourage frivolous lawsuits.

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                                W Balboos GHB
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                                Reason #1 for a lack in frivolous lawsuit event in US:   like MD's and mal=practice, what lawyer wants to make themselves an easy target for other lawyers - it could become another legal specialization. But, as a real answer to this - except in the most extreme cases (and I didn't say rare), if as the risk increases to the lawyer the chances of David fighting Goliath decreases. You would reduce accessibility to legal help. Again, one of those things "damned if you do, damned if you don't" - but the US makes it far too easy to instate legal proceedings and far too little responsibility for the (plaintiff's) actions. Big pockets and severely hurt others simply by one lawsuit after another until they bankrupt the opposition with legal expenses. A legal version of assault. The many contractors who Hump didn't pay and put out of business - an example of big pockets vs. (comparatively) little pockets. Also true of gambling casinos - the house and advantage just by having more money.

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                                "If you are searching for perfection in others, then you seek disappointment. If you seek perfection in yourself, then you will find failure." - Balboos HaGadol Mar 2010

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