Worldometer
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Just curious: Is the www.worldometers.info[^] website available in the USA?
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Democracy is a form of religion. It is the worship of jackals by jackasses. --H.L. Mencken
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Greg Utas wrote:
Democracy is a form of religion. It is the worship of jackals by jackasses. --H.L. Mencken
Who the Heck is --H.L.Mencken. a Neo Nazi? Gobshites that write that sort of stuff do not deserve the light of publication.
Bram van Kampen
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Bram van Kampen wrote:
which rule was infringed?
No politics.
Social Media - A platform that makes it easier for the crazies to find each other. Everyone is born right handed. Only the strongest overcome it. Fight for left-handed rights and hand equality.
This has nothing to do with politics! This has to do with a World wide pandemic. The fact that the USA voted an absolute gobshite idiot to represent them as president has absolutely nothing to do with politics, I live in Ireland. I never voted for any US President, for me this is not a political matter, but a matter of world wide disaster control.
Bram van Kampen
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This has nothing to do with politics! This has to do with a World wide pandemic. The fact that the USA voted an absolute gobshite idiot to represent them as president has absolutely nothing to do with politics, I live in Ireland. I never voted for any US President, for me this is not a political matter, but a matter of world wide disaster control.
Bram van Kampen
Bram van Kampen wrote:
I live in Ireland
Then why are you getting all aeriated about it? Just treat it as higher-quality entertainment than is produced in hollywood. There's not a damned thing you can do about foreign politics, so grab a Murphy's and a bag of popcorn, chill out, and watch the show. Your sphygmomanometer will thank you for making its job easier. You can do something about covid-19, though: wear a mask when you leave the house. That was a major factor in keeping the numbers down in East Asia, so if you don't meet that responsibility, you're in no position to complain about what others do or don't do.
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Greg Utas wrote:
Democracy is a form of religion. It is the worship of jackals by jackasses. --H.L. Mencken
Who the Heck is --H.L.Mencken. a Neo Nazi? Gobshites that write that sort of stuff do not deserve the light of publication.
Bram van Kampen
Bram van Kampen wrote:
Who the Heck is --H.L.Mencken. a Neo Nazi?
:doh: Might be an idea to look him up, before committing yourself any further to that line of questioning. The [Stokes?] Monkey Trial would be a good place to start.
I wanna be a eunuchs developer! Pass me a bread knife!
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Greg Utas wrote:
Democracy is a form of religion. It is the worship of jackals by jackasses. --H.L. Mencken
Who the Heck is --H.L.Mencken. a Neo Nazi? Gobshites that write that sort of stuff do not deserve the light of publication.
Bram van Kampen
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Personally I think he has an amusing cynicism.
"They have a consciousness, they have a life, they have a soul! Damn you! Let the rabbits wear glasses! Save our brothers! Can I get an amen?"
I don't like cynicism. Or sarcasm.
I wanna be a eunuchs developer! Pass me a bread knife!
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I don't like cynicism. Or sarcasm.
I wanna be a eunuchs developer! Pass me a bread knife!
Liar!! On the other hand... You don't have to like to be good at it :-D
M.D.V. ;) If something has a solution... Why do we have to worry about?. If it has no solution... For what reason do we have to worry about? Help me to understand what I'm saying, and I'll explain it better to you Rating helpful answers is nice, but saying thanks can be even nicer.
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This has nothing to do with politics! This has to do with a World wide pandemic. The fact that the USA voted an absolute gobshite idiot to represent them as president has absolutely nothing to do with politics, I live in Ireland. I never voted for any US President, for me this is not a political matter, but a matter of world wide disaster control.
Bram van Kampen
Bram van Kampen wrote:
The fact that the USA voted an absolute gobshite idiot to represent them as president has absolutely nothing to do with politics
The irony
Wrong is evil and must be defeated. - Jeff Ello
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Would it be considered politics, hence inappropriate for the Lounge, if I quote from the table that in my country, Norway, right now has suffered 182 corona deaths, 34 deaths/1M pop (rank 32 if you sort it on that column), and have made 145,279 tests, 26,798 tests/1M pop (rank 16 if you sort it on that column)? Or would that simply be quoting (presumed) medical facts?
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Would it be considered politics, hence inappropriate for the Lounge, if I quote from the table that in my country, Norway, right now has suffered 182 corona deaths, 34 deaths/1M pop (rank 32 if you sort it on that column), and have made 145,279 tests, 26,798 tests/1M pop (rank 16 if you sort it on that column)? Or would that simply be quoting (presumed) medical facts?
That would depend on the purpose of posting that.
Wrong is evil and must be defeated. - Jeff Ello
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Would it be considered politics, hence inappropriate for the Lounge, if I quote from the table that in my country, Norway, right now has suffered 182 corona deaths, 34 deaths/1M pop (rank 32 if you sort it on that column), and have made 145,279 tests, 26,798 tests/1M pop (rank 16 if you sort it on that column)? Or would that simply be quoting (presumed) medical facts?
There's nothing political about it; it's just data -- about a disease that does not have a political agenda. If people decide to use data about people dying unpleasant deaths to frame political or religious messages or propaganda, they're terrible people, but the data is just data, and denying people the right to discuss such horrible events with their peers strikes me as being somewhat inhumane.
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Just curious: Is the www.worldometers.info[^] website available in the USA?
1,539,153 Deaths caused by smoking this year 770,064 Deaths caused by alcohol this year 1,692,170,966 Overweight people in the world 755,020,768 Obese people in the world Three very unnecessary products, tobacco, alcohol and fast food, take more lives than COVID-19 ever will. When will they be banned? When are we shutting down the economy for those? I know, the US already tried that with alcohol, but that's about a 100 years ago (not that I think it would be successful now). Basically, what we're saying is that 177,000 deaths from COVID-19 is a real crisis, but 1,539,153 deaths from smoking (that's more than eight times as many) is fine. The current measures will result in an economic crisis of proportions that we haven't seen before. The 2008 crisis alone took more lives than COVID-19. I guess more deaths is a fair price to save fewer lives. I'm just a bit confused by the math of it all :confused: Of course all of this is less about numbers than it is about "how we feel".
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Greg Utas wrote:
Democracy is a form of religion. It is the worship of jackals by jackasses. --H.L. Mencken
Who the Heck is --H.L.Mencken. a Neo Nazi? Gobshites that write that sort of stuff do not deserve the light of publication.
Bram van Kampen
Democracy is the theory that the common man knows what he wants, and deserves to get it good and hard. --H.L. Mencken
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This has nothing to do with politics! This has to do with a World wide pandemic. The fact that the USA voted an absolute gobshite idiot to represent them as president has absolutely nothing to do with politics, I live in Ireland. I never voted for any US President, for me this is not a political matter, but a matter of world wide disaster control.
Bram van Kampen
You are getting close to the limit of "trolling" Chill out and stop talking about politics, even more if you are insulting. No matter if I agree with you or not, this kind of discussion is off limits in the lounge.
M.D.V. ;) If something has a solution... Why do we have to worry about?. If it has no solution... For what reason do we have to worry about? Help me to understand what I'm saying, and I'll explain it better to you Rating helpful answers is nice, but saying thanks can be even nicer.
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1,539,153 Deaths caused by smoking this year 770,064 Deaths caused by alcohol this year 1,692,170,966 Overweight people in the world 755,020,768 Obese people in the world Three very unnecessary products, tobacco, alcohol and fast food, take more lives than COVID-19 ever will. When will they be banned? When are we shutting down the economy for those? I know, the US already tried that with alcohol, but that's about a 100 years ago (not that I think it would be successful now). Basically, what we're saying is that 177,000 deaths from COVID-19 is a real crisis, but 1,539,153 deaths from smoking (that's more than eight times as many) is fine. The current measures will result in an economic crisis of proportions that we haven't seen before. The 2008 crisis alone took more lives than COVID-19. I guess more deaths is a fair price to save fewer lives. I'm just a bit confused by the math of it all :confused: Of course all of this is less about numbers than it is about "how we feel".
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I suppose you want to say "last year", as "this year" is not ended yet. Anyways... I agree with you (ex-smoker here) Lung cancer treatments are longer / more expensive than COVID treatments, nobody complains (probably because the taxes give a HUGE amount of money that would disappear if people wouldn't smoke) And I mean worldwide, not a concrete country.
M.D.V. ;) If something has a solution... Why do we have to worry about?. If it has no solution... For what reason do we have to worry about? Help me to understand what I'm saying, and I'll explain it better to you Rating helpful answers is nice, but saying thanks can be even nicer.
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I suppose you want to say "last year", as "this year" is not ended yet. Anyways... I agree with you (ex-smoker here) Lung cancer treatments are longer / more expensive than COVID treatments, nobody complains (probably because the taxes give a HUGE amount of money that would disappear if people wouldn't smoke) And I mean worldwide, not a concrete country.
M.D.V. ;) If something has a solution... Why do we have to worry about?. If it has no solution... For what reason do we have to worry about? Help me to understand what I'm saying, and I'll explain it better to you Rating helpful answers is nice, but saying thanks can be even nicer.
Nelek wrote:
I suppose you want to say "last year", as "this year" is not ended yet.
Actually, the website says "this year" so I assume that's 1.5 million deaths from smoking in a little under four months. That seems about right, according to Fast Facts | Fact Sheets | Smoking & Tobacco Use | CDC[^] which states 7 million deaths per year. The #1 preventable cause of death. Yet we do nothing. Well, that's not completely true, there are anti-smoking laws. But it's nothing compared to what we're doing against the far less deadly COVID-19. Here's a comparable website for alcohol: Alcohol Facts and Statistics | National Institute on Alcohol Abuse and Alcoholism (NIAAA)[^] (although it's USA specific). "making alcohol the third leading preventable cause of death in the United States. The first is tobacco, and the second is poor diet and physical inactivity." According to the WHO alcohol causes 5 million deaths a year worldwide[^]. Maybe people "choose" to smoke, drink or eat unhealthy so we'll allow it. I have no data on deaths from passive smokers or casualties from drunk drivers. So I wonder, if we can fight COVID-19 so vigorously and are apparently willing to sacrifice the economy and many more lives to save statistically few lives, why can't we do the same with tobacco, unhealthy food and alcohol? :confused: I guess COVID-19 floods the intensive care while the others do not and that makes all the difference?
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1,539,153 Deaths caused by smoking this year 770,064 Deaths caused by alcohol this year 1,692,170,966 Overweight people in the world 755,020,768 Obese people in the world Three very unnecessary products, tobacco, alcohol and fast food, take more lives than COVID-19 ever will. When will they be banned? When are we shutting down the economy for those? I know, the US already tried that with alcohol, but that's about a 100 years ago (not that I think it would be successful now). Basically, what we're saying is that 177,000 deaths from COVID-19 is a real crisis, but 1,539,153 deaths from smoking (that's more than eight times as many) is fine. The current measures will result in an economic crisis of proportions that we haven't seen before. The 2008 crisis alone took more lives than COVID-19. I guess more deaths is a fair price to save fewer lives. I'm just a bit confused by the math of it all :confused: Of course all of this is less about numbers than it is about "how we feel".
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You want the Math? OK, paper napkin time... There are 7.7 billion people in the world. Covid-19 has a fatality rate of somewhere between 5% and 0.1%. If 70% of people get it (the percentage estimated for 'herd immunity') then 5.39 people will catch it. 5% of 5.39 is 0.2695 billion or 269.5 million. 0.1% of 5.39 is .00539 or 5.39 million. I would say the actual fatality rate is likely to be between 1% and 0.5%, so we are talking between 25 and 50 million lives. That is assuming all of the critical cases get critical care. If critical cases do not get critical care then the fatality rate among them is 100%, otherwise it is between 10% and 20%. This means that if the health care system gets overrun you can multiply the death toll by 5-10, giving between 125 and 500 million lives.
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Nelek wrote:
I suppose you want to say "last year", as "this year" is not ended yet.
Actually, the website says "this year" so I assume that's 1.5 million deaths from smoking in a little under four months. That seems about right, according to Fast Facts | Fact Sheets | Smoking & Tobacco Use | CDC[^] which states 7 million deaths per year. The #1 preventable cause of death. Yet we do nothing. Well, that's not completely true, there are anti-smoking laws. But it's nothing compared to what we're doing against the far less deadly COVID-19. Here's a comparable website for alcohol: Alcohol Facts and Statistics | National Institute on Alcohol Abuse and Alcoholism (NIAAA)[^] (although it's USA specific). "making alcohol the third leading preventable cause of death in the United States. The first is tobacco, and the second is poor diet and physical inactivity." According to the WHO alcohol causes 5 million deaths a year worldwide[^]. Maybe people "choose" to smoke, drink or eat unhealthy so we'll allow it. I have no data on deaths from passive smokers or casualties from drunk drivers. So I wonder, if we can fight COVID-19 so vigorously and are apparently willing to sacrifice the economy and many more lives to save statistically few lives, why can't we do the same with tobacco, unhealthy food and alcohol? :confused: I guess COVID-19 floods the intensive care while the others do not and that makes all the difference?
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Sander Rossel wrote:
Actually, the website says "this year" so I assume that's 1.5 million deaths from smoking in a little under four months. ... which states 7 million deaths per year.
Ok... then numbers look fine.
Sander Rossel wrote:
Maybe people "choose" to smoke, drink or eat unhealthy so we'll allow it.
And I suppose that is the biggest factor, people "want" to do it.
Sander Rossel wrote:
So I wonder, if we can fight COVID-19 so vigorously and are apparently willing to sacrifice the economy and many more lives to save statistically few lives, why can't we do the same with tobacco, unhealthy food and alcohol?
You don't get the illness voluntarily and people is more aware of the dead possibility, because it comes much faster. With the other things it is a very slow process. This makes a big difference in how people perceive it.
M.D.V. ;) If something has a solution... Why do we have to worry about?. If it has no solution... For what reason do we have to worry about? Help me to understand what I'm saying, and I'll explain it better to you Rating helpful answers is nice, but saying thanks can be even nicer.
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You want the Math? OK, paper napkin time... There are 7.7 billion people in the world. Covid-19 has a fatality rate of somewhere between 5% and 0.1%. If 70% of people get it (the percentage estimated for 'herd immunity') then 5.39 people will catch it. 5% of 5.39 is 0.2695 billion or 269.5 million. 0.1% of 5.39 is .00539 or 5.39 million. I would say the actual fatality rate is likely to be between 1% and 0.5%, so we are talking between 25 and 50 million lives. That is assuming all of the critical cases get critical care. If critical cases do not get critical care then the fatality rate among them is 100%, otherwise it is between 10% and 20%. This means that if the health care system gets overrun you can multiply the death toll by 5-10, giving between 125 and 500 million lives.
Fueled By Caffeine wrote:
Covid-19 has a fatality rate of somewhere between 5% and 0.1%.
Seeing the official statistics I would say the % are higher.
M.D.V. ;) If something has a solution... Why do we have to worry about?. If it has no solution... For what reason do we have to worry about? Help me to understand what I'm saying, and I'll explain it better to you Rating helpful answers is nice, but saying thanks can be even nicer.
