Just a thought
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perhaps benefits in kind? they will sure need/deserve a long quiet break - a lot of empty cruise ships bobbing about just off the beach here.
pestilence [ pes-tl-uh ns ] noun 1. a deadly or virulent epidemic disease. especially bubonic plague. 2. something that is considered harmful, destructive, or evil. Synonyms: pest, plague, CCP
I very much doubt that Herself will even get given a bottom of cheap wine as a "thank you" once this is over - and they are down over half the staff already due to "previous medical condition / age" isolation so the workload has gone through the roof! And would you want to get on a cruise ship in the near future? :laugh:
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Is there a fund for the PTSD therapy that all front line healthcare worker will need after this pandemic?
Most ER/ICU workers see people die all the time. If they could not handle it, they would have quit a long, long time ago. What I have been reading is that health care workers suffer more from exhaustion and fatigue and stress of the job, and from working longer hours with shorter rest periods due to under staffing, rather than PTSD related symptoms. PTSD is a term that is used too much by the media, and usually to describe the wrong symptoms. So, no fund needed for PTSD for health care workers. More sleep and rest, now that would be nice.
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Most ER/ICU workers see people die all the time. If they could not handle it, they would have quit a long, long time ago. What I have been reading is that health care workers suffer more from exhaustion and fatigue and stress of the job, and from working longer hours with shorter rest periods due to under staffing, rather than PTSD related symptoms. PTSD is a term that is used too much by the media, and usually to describe the wrong symptoms. So, no fund needed for PTSD for health care workers. More sleep and rest, now that would be nice.
George Carlin did a good sketch on how shell shock evolved into PTSD over time.
“That which can be asserted without evidence, can be dismissed without evidence.”
― Christopher Hitchens
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Most ER/ICU workers see people die all the time. If they could not handle it, they would have quit a long, long time ago. What I have been reading is that health care workers suffer more from exhaustion and fatigue and stress of the job, and from working longer hours with shorter rest periods due to under staffing, rather than PTSD related symptoms. PTSD is a term that is used too much by the media, and usually to describe the wrong symptoms. So, no fund needed for PTSD for health care workers. More sleep and rest, now that would be nice.
Slacker007 wrote:
What I have been reading is that health care workers suffer more from exhaustion and fatigue and stress of the job, and from working longer hours with shorter rest periods due to under staffing, rather than PTSD related symptoms.
My wife was not in ER, just working upstairs in the "normal" stations... She already had those symptoms of overexhaustion / fatigue, so I don't want to imagine what the ER-People would actually suffer...
Slacker007 wrote:
More sleep and rest, now that would be nice.
:thumbsup::thumbsup::thumbsup: And a sincere THANK YOU from time to time would help A LOT too
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Is there a fund for the PTSD therapy that all front line healthcare worker will need after this pandemic?
MehreenTahir wrote:
PTSD therapy that all front line healthcare worker will need after this pandemic?
Pretty sure it's your average citizen that will need that more. I've seen lots of people claim that not wearing a mask outside is the same as murder, so we'll need to get those people signed up first.
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Slacker007 wrote:
What I have been reading is that health care workers suffer more from exhaustion and fatigue and stress of the job, and from working longer hours with shorter rest periods due to under staffing, rather than PTSD related symptoms.
My wife was not in ER, just working upstairs in the "normal" stations... She already had those symptoms of overexhaustion / fatigue, so I don't want to imagine what the ER-People would actually suffer...
Slacker007 wrote:
More sleep and rest, now that would be nice.
:thumbsup::thumbsup::thumbsup: And a sincere THANK YOU from time to time would help A LOT too
M.D.V. ;) If something has a solution... Why do we have to worry about?. If it has no solution... For what reason do we have to worry about? Help me to understand what I'm saying, and I'll explain it better to you Rating helpful answers is nice, but saying thanks can be even nicer.
It depends upon how each country's medical system is set up, but buy and large, the medical staffs are kept too small. In some cases, like the US, the medical schools limit the number of students they take in to make sure there's enough money to be made - or maybe just a desire to consider themselves "special". In other countries, it comes down to a matter of budgets - even when there's a national health system. Cutting corners to cut budgets. In these times, everyone's doffing their hats for the work the medical community is involved in - the foot-soldiers in the war. They fight the battles. In particular, I like that nurses are finally getting their due praise as they do the most work most of the time. Only last night, for the first time, did anyone thank the scientists, also working excessive hours, for their work. The pressure's on them too: just think about it. The "doctors and nurses" may be fighting the battles but the scientist are the only hope for winning the war. Our current world, with its many "medical miracles", supplies the thanks to the medical community . . . but it's the scientist who made the miracles - the drugs, the equipment, really, all of it. This is not intended as a critique of people who now are indeed working their asses off in dangerous and difficult conditions - but it is a critique of the long-standing worship they receive with little to no Kudos going to those who made it possible for them.
"The difference between genius and stupidity is that genius has its limits." - Albert Einstein
"If you are searching for perfection in others, then you seek disappointment. If you seek perfection in yourself, then you will find failure." - Balboos HaGadol Mar 2010
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MehreenTahir wrote:
PTSD therapy that all front line healthcare worker will need after this pandemic?
Pretty sure it's your average citizen that will need that more. I've seen lots of people claim that not wearing a mask outside is the same as murder, so we'll need to get those people signed up first.
Social Media - A platform that makes it easier for the crazies to find each other. Everyone is born right handed. Only the strongest overcome it. Fight for left-handed rights and hand equality.
ZurdoDev wrote:
I've seen lots of people claim that not wearing a mask outside is the same as murder, so we'll need to get those people signed up first.
:laugh: :laugh:
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It depends upon how each country's medical system is set up, but buy and large, the medical staffs are kept too small. In some cases, like the US, the medical schools limit the number of students they take in to make sure there's enough money to be made - or maybe just a desire to consider themselves "special". In other countries, it comes down to a matter of budgets - even when there's a national health system. Cutting corners to cut budgets. In these times, everyone's doffing their hats for the work the medical community is involved in - the foot-soldiers in the war. They fight the battles. In particular, I like that nurses are finally getting their due praise as they do the most work most of the time. Only last night, for the first time, did anyone thank the scientists, also working excessive hours, for their work. The pressure's on them too: just think about it. The "doctors and nurses" may be fighting the battles but the scientist are the only hope for winning the war. Our current world, with its many "medical miracles", supplies the thanks to the medical community . . . but it's the scientist who made the miracles - the drugs, the equipment, really, all of it. This is not intended as a critique of people who now are indeed working their asses off in dangerous and difficult conditions - but it is a critique of the long-standing worship they receive with little to no Kudos going to those who made it possible for them.
"The difference between genius and stupidity is that genius has its limits." - Albert Einstein
"If you are searching for perfection in others, then you seek disappointment. If you seek perfection in yourself, then you will find failure." - Balboos HaGadol Mar 2010
W∴ Balboos, GHB wrote:
It depends upon how each country's medical system is set up, but buy and large, the medical staffs are kept too small.
it only depends how small, but I would say no country in the world has enough health workers to cope with usual work, don't start thinking to cope with such a situation as the current one.
W∴ Balboos, GHB wrote:
In particular, I like that nurses are finally getting their due praise as they do the most work most of the time.
I can ensure you that they really do a big lot, but not the most work. That there are many lazy asses within the medical staff... OK, I can agree with this. But there are a lot of medics / doctors that are working over normal human limits, and I know it first hand (several family members and a lot of known people working in hospitals and a part of them already got it / are now affected)
W∴ Balboos, GHB wrote:
The "doctors and nurses" may be fighting the battles but the scientist are the only hope for winning the war. Our current world, with its many "medical miracles", supplies the thanks to the medical community . . . but it's the scientist who made the miracles - the drugs, the equipment, really, all of it. This is not intended as a critique of people who now are indeed working their asses off in dangerous and difficult conditions - but it is a critique of the long-standing worship they receive with little to no Kudos going to those who made it possible for them.
Totally agree I don't know who exactly told it, but she was in a science related position:
A bit free quotation, I don't remember the exact words and I have to translate from spanish:
You have been paying football players millions to entertain you 90 minutes a week. Now you desperate for scienctists to get a cure... go and ask Cristiano Ronaldo or Messi for that cure.
M.D.V. ;) If something has a solution... Why do we have to worry about?. If it has no solution... For what reason do we have to worry about? Help me to understand what I'm saying, and I'll explain it better to you Rating helpful answers is nice, but saying thanks can be even nicer.
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I very much doubt that Herself will even get given a bottom of cheap wine as a "thank you" once this is over - and they are down over half the staff already due to "previous medical condition / age" isolation so the workload has gone through the roof! And would you want to get on a cruise ship in the near future? :laugh:
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OriginalGriff wrote:
And would you want to get on a cruise ship in the near future?
Near future? I'd go right now. No tourists, no lineups anywhere, companies starving to get your business. I'm reminded of [John C. Dvorak](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John\_C.\_Dvorak)'s recommendation to go visit France a few years ago, shortly after its wave of terrorist attacks.
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George Carlin did a good sketch on how shell shock evolved into PTSD over time.
“That which can be asserted without evidence, can be dismissed without evidence.”
― Christopher Hitchens
I was immediately reminded of that. [Euphemisms](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vuEQixrBKCc).
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OriginalGriff wrote:
And would you want to get on a cruise ship in the near future?
Near future? I'd go right now. No tourists, no lineups anywhere, companies starving to get your business. I'm reminded of [John C. Dvorak](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John\_C.\_Dvorak)'s recommendation to go visit France a few years ago, shortly after its wave of terrorist attacks.
dandy72 wrote:
No tourists, no lineups anywhere, companies starving to get your business
... no where to land, no way to get onto it because all the flights are cancelled, ... :laugh:
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OriginalGriff wrote:
And would you want to get on a cruise ship in the near future?
Near future? I'd go right now. No tourists, no lineups anywhere, companies starving to get your business. I'm reminded of [John C. Dvorak](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John\_C.\_Dvorak)'s recommendation to go visit France a few years ago, shortly after its wave of terrorist attacks.
Several years ago some friends went to Ceylon/Sri Lanka for a vacation - during one of the revolutions/rebellions. They stayed at a five star hotel on a beautiful, almost empty beach, had the best room and the best service you could imagine. The flights were cheap, the hotel was cheaper. All the hotel staff were happy to be there rather than out in the street. My friends went for a walk into town and the fighting stopped to let them by - they thought it was a street party with fireworks at first. Both sides knew that the island depended on tourism for it's economy so shooting or upsetting tourists was strictly forbidden - hence the temporary ceasefire - and the hotel was itself a haven not to be touched. They had a great time - although they decided a tour of the local beauty spots was pushing it so they spent almost the whole time on the beach.
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dandy72 wrote:
No tourists, no lineups anywhere, companies starving to get your business
... no where to land, no way to get onto it because all the flights are cancelled, ... :laugh:
"I have no idea what I did, but I'm taking full credit for it." - ThisOldTony AntiTwitter: @DalekDave is now a follower!
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Several years ago some friends went to Ceylon/Sri Lanka for a vacation - during one of the revolutions/rebellions. They stayed at a five star hotel on a beautiful, almost empty beach, had the best room and the best service you could imagine. The flights were cheap, the hotel was cheaper. All the hotel staff were happy to be there rather than out in the street. My friends went for a walk into town and the fighting stopped to let them by - they thought it was a street party with fireworks at first. Both sides knew that the island depended on tourism for it's economy so shooting or upsetting tourists was strictly forbidden - hence the temporary ceasefire - and the hotel was itself a haven not to be touched. They had a great time - although they decided a tour of the local beauty spots was pushing it so they spent almost the whole time on the beach.
- I would love to change the world, but they won’t give me the source code.
