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Erm ... well ... no. I really must do something about it all, but ... the trouble is that I used to have a UPS which had IEC female, so when it died I used standard IEC lead to connect the IEC males that went to the kit instead of ripping it all out and wiring it properly. So I have a rats-nest of mains, another of CAT5, another of USB, ... And a sh*t load of dust that I don't dare go near because I know something will stop working if I do, and it's dark down there ... :laugh:
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I've started switching all to bluetooth (printer, keyboard, mouse), wifi, and HDMI (usb as a last resort) which has cleaned up my cabling somewhat. Although right now I'm stuck on ethernet because my wifi dongle isn't working with Ubuntu this time (was last time *shrug*)
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Nope I'm scared to go in, don't know if I'll every make it back out.
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I know the feeling. :)
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...dealing with a rats nest of wires with their computer setup? This evening I've tasked myself with tearing down and rebuilding my entire computer setup to make it use the space more efficiently and to have a more organized approach. This is going to be no easy feat. And I won't have internet access during the tear-down and rebuild, except for my phone. Has anyone else successfully tamed the tangle of wires?
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IKEA has the "tidy cabling" kits. One includes this ribbed tubing with a split down the middle which you can use to lay in a number of cables instead of tying them. Some big box hardware stores include metal / plastic channels for cabling that is more permanent while still fitting in with the base boards / decor.
It was only in wine that he laid down no limit for himself, but he did not allow himself to be confused by it. ― Confucian Analects: Rules of Confucius about his food
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IKEA has the "tidy cabling" kits. One includes this ribbed tubing with a split down the middle which you can use to lay in a number of cables instead of tying them. Some big box hardware stores include metal / plastic channels for cabling that is more permanent while still fitting in with the base boards / decor.
It was only in wine that he laid down no limit for himself, but he did not allow himself to be confused by it. ― Confucian Analects: Rules of Confucius about his food
Is that what it's called, "tidy cabling?" I just searched those keywords on the IKEA site and nothing resembling what you describe.
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...dealing with a rats nest of wires with their computer setup? This evening I've tasked myself with tearing down and rebuilding my entire computer setup to make it use the space more efficiently and to have a more organized approach. This is going to be no easy feat. And I won't have internet access during the tear-down and rebuild, except for my phone. Has anyone else successfully tamed the tangle of wires?
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I am curious about which kinds of cables you are troubled with. "In the old days" we had no sort of buses: The printer had its LPT cable, the modem its COM cable, the scanner its proprietary format cable, the keyboard its DIN- og OS/2-style cable, the mouse either of COM, OS/2 or proprietary cable... It was also common to plug the power cable to the screen into the power supply of the PC. Nowadays, there is a single USB cable to a hub where you plug in both printer, scanner, external disks, PC speakers/microphone and external webcam (for stationary PCs). Keyboard and mouse cables are gone; they have been wireless for many years. USB memory sticks go in the socket on the PC front panel (or,if that is unavailable, the socket on the left hand edge of the screen). My PC has one USB cable, one network cable and one screen cable. I do have a USB WiFi-adapter that could have been plugged into the USB hub, to keep the number of cables to the PC down, but it wouldn't be suitable: The PC-to-hub cable goes through a hole in the wall, and the router connection is on the PC side of the wall, not the hub side. So I think of the spaghetti bowl as something of the past. For me, USB made a revolution that turned night into day, quite a few years ago.
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I am curious about which kinds of cables you are troubled with. "In the old days" we had no sort of buses: The printer had its LPT cable, the modem its COM cable, the scanner its proprietary format cable, the keyboard its DIN- og OS/2-style cable, the mouse either of COM, OS/2 or proprietary cable... It was also common to plug the power cable to the screen into the power supply of the PC. Nowadays, there is a single USB cable to a hub where you plug in both printer, scanner, external disks, PC speakers/microphone and external webcam (for stationary PCs). Keyboard and mouse cables are gone; they have been wireless for many years. USB memory sticks go in the socket on the PC front panel (or,if that is unavailable, the socket on the left hand edge of the screen). My PC has one USB cable, one network cable and one screen cable. I do have a USB WiFi-adapter that could have been plugged into the USB hub, to keep the number of cables to the PC down, but it wouldn't be suitable: The PC-to-hub cable goes through a hole in the wall, and the router connection is on the PC side of the wall, not the hub side. So I think of the spaghetti bowl as something of the past. For me, USB made a revolution that turned night into day, quite a few years ago.
Well I have the cable modem, router, two Western Digital NAS devices, three monitors, three USB hubs, a seven port network switch with all ports in use, a do-it-yourself NAS that I built out of a small PC, a desklamp, and PC speaker system. Oh and a second PC with all attendant hookups. Plus I didn't even mention the UPS and two different printers. And each one of these devices has its own power brick so I have three power strips. All all of this ends up in a big tangled mess.
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Well I have the cable modem, router, two Western Digital NAS devices, three monitors, three USB hubs, a seven port network switch with all ports in use, a do-it-yourself NAS that I built out of a small PC, a desklamp, and PC speaker system. Oh and a second PC with all attendant hookups. Plus I didn't even mention the UPS and two different printers. And each one of these devices has its own power brick so I have three power strips. All all of this ends up in a big tangled mess.
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If you have each of these units connected separately to the PC, I can understand that you have a cable mess. I have deliberately tried to avoid this, e.g. by connecting printer, scanner (in your case: two printers), and speakers through a single cable, rather than three, to the PC. The network router is located next to the network termination ("cable modem"), away from the PC, and doesn't affect the cable mess. My UPS does not appear as a separate unit; it is provided by the controller for my solar panel setup; I have had socket installed where the PC is located, served by this controller, so it doesn't add to the cable mess. All my external disks are either USB powered or 12VDC, and I have a 12VDC supply from the solar power battery bank to the shelf where the external disks are located, with no need for power adapters; just short cables to the 12V socket directly behind the disks. If your NAS disks really are Network Attached storage: Isn't the very idea that you access them over the network? So you locate these disks in a separate location, away from your PC. There will be cables by the NAS, but not that many, and it won't contribute to the mess behind your PC. I do not have a NAS yet, but if I get one, I will certainly locate it near the cable modem and network router, not by the PC. With such an approach, the mess could be cleaned up somewhat. Yet, it is obvious that you have a more complex setup than I do. Yet I think that you could improve things a lot simply by moving away stuff that doesn't have to be sitting next to the PC (such as NAS, network router etc.), and use those USB hubs so that e.g. a single cable runs from the PC to the table with all the moderate-speed devices (printers and such). If they are USB3 hubs, you can certainly hook up external USBs through a hub as well. If they are all USB2 hubs, replacing at least one with a USB3 one, for external disks (and maybe for a USB2 hub serving printers etc.) might be worth the money. So even though you will have some cable mess left (not the least the cables to the three screens!), there is a certain hope for some cleanup!
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If you have each of these units connected separately to the PC, I can understand that you have a cable mess. I have deliberately tried to avoid this, e.g. by connecting printer, scanner (in your case: two printers), and speakers through a single cable, rather than three, to the PC. The network router is located next to the network termination ("cable modem"), away from the PC, and doesn't affect the cable mess. My UPS does not appear as a separate unit; it is provided by the controller for my solar panel setup; I have had socket installed where the PC is located, served by this controller, so it doesn't add to the cable mess. All my external disks are either USB powered or 12VDC, and I have a 12VDC supply from the solar power battery bank to the shelf where the external disks are located, with no need for power adapters; just short cables to the 12V socket directly behind the disks. If your NAS disks really are Network Attached storage: Isn't the very idea that you access them over the network? So you locate these disks in a separate location, away from your PC. There will be cables by the NAS, but not that many, and it won't contribute to the mess behind your PC. I do not have a NAS yet, but if I get one, I will certainly locate it near the cable modem and network router, not by the PC. With such an approach, the mess could be cleaned up somewhat. Yet, it is obvious that you have a more complex setup than I do. Yet I think that you could improve things a lot simply by moving away stuff that doesn't have to be sitting next to the PC (such as NAS, network router etc.), and use those USB hubs so that e.g. a single cable runs from the PC to the table with all the moderate-speed devices (printers and such). If they are USB3 hubs, you can certainly hook up external USBs through a hub as well. If they are all USB2 hubs, replacing at least one with a USB3 one, for external disks (and maybe for a USB2 hub serving printers etc.) might be worth the money. So even though you will have some cable mess left (not the least the cables to the three screens!), there is a certain hope for some cleanup!
Sounds like you have a pretty cool setup with your solar system. As far as cleaning it up somewhat, I think you're spot on. It can definitely be better than the way it is now. It was originally put together without much thought to minimizing wiring.
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Well I have the cable modem, router, two Western Digital NAS devices, three monitors, three USB hubs, a seven port network switch with all ports in use, a do-it-yourself NAS that I built out of a small PC, a desklamp, and PC speaker system. Oh and a second PC with all attendant hookups. Plus I didn't even mention the UPS and two different printers. And each one of these devices has its own power brick so I have three power strips. All all of this ends up in a big tangled mess.
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I wouldn't bother to untangle and reconfigure anything. I'd just get some gasoline and a match. :laugh:
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I wouldn't bother to untangle and reconfigure anything. I'd just get some gasoline and a match. :laugh:
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I was considering some C-4 explosive myself. :)
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Is that what it's called, "tidy cabling?" I just searched those keywords on the IKEA site and nothing resembling what you describe.
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Montera, Signum, Rabalder and Fixa. There are probably more, but those are the one I find now.
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Is it a small UPS or something like a rack mount unit?
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It was a "small" one - floor standing, bloody heavy, Chinese, FVQ* * Failed Very Quickly. About a year, I think - I did a powerfail test and it was absolutely fine, except when it went to internal power it turned itself off ...
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...dealing with a rats nest of wires with their computer setup? This evening I've tasked myself with tearing down and rebuilding my entire computer setup to make it use the space more efficiently and to have a more organized approach. This is going to be no easy feat. And I won't have internet access during the tear-down and rebuild, except for my phone. Has anyone else successfully tamed the tangle of wires?
The difficult we do right away... ...the impossible takes slightly longer.
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...dealing with a rats nest of wires with their computer setup? This evening I've tasked myself with tearing down and rebuilding my entire computer setup to make it use the space more efficiently and to have a more organized approach. This is going to be no easy feat. And I won't have internet access during the tear-down and rebuild, except for my phone. Has anyone else successfully tamed the tangle of wires?
The difficult we do right away... ...the impossible takes slightly longer.
Not so much untangling the mess (a cosmetic thing) as keeping it under control. After Superstorm Sandy I was in the position to fill my home from scratch. When I started to connect things in areas where many a cable would exist (per past experience) I used wire labels for the two ends of the wires. Initially, just for power cables, but then form others, as well. Now, reguardless of the mess that will develop sooner or later, I can easily find both ends of any cable. Useful so you know what you unplug/disconnect as well as, should you desire, removing and re-bundling cables one-by-one without worries.
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...dealing with a rats nest of wires with their computer setup? This evening I've tasked myself with tearing down and rebuilding my entire computer setup to make it use the space more efficiently and to have a more organized approach. This is going to be no easy feat. And I won't have internet access during the tear-down and rebuild, except for my phone. Has anyone else successfully tamed the tangle of wires?
The difficult we do right away... ...the impossible takes slightly longer.
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...dealing with a rats nest of wires with their computer setup? This evening I've tasked myself with tearing down and rebuilding my entire computer setup to make it use the space more efficiently and to have a more organized approach. This is going to be no easy feat. And I won't have internet access during the tear-down and rebuild, except for my phone. Has anyone else successfully tamed the tangle of wires?
The difficult we do right away... ...the impossible takes slightly longer.
Never mind the individual cables, apparently I have so many power bars under my desk that, about a month ago, I accidentally hit the power switch on one of them with my foot (turning it off), and nothing but my small desk stereo stopped working. Meaning, I have at least one entire power strip sitting under my desk, with 5 out of its 6 outlets used by a cable that goes somewhere apparently unimportant and I could take them all out. But I suspect at least some of them go to power devices that happened to be turned off at the time. I just don't dare try to find out what goes where. At this point, taking everything apart and putting everything back together has to be a full 3 days worth of effort. It used to be an annual thing, more or less. But I stopped at one point, and it's now too late to do anything about it.
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Never mind the individual cables, apparently I have so many power bars under my desk that, about a month ago, I accidentally hit the power switch on one of them with my foot (turning it off), and nothing but my small desk stereo stopped working. Meaning, I have at least one entire power strip sitting under my desk, with 5 out of its 6 outlets used by a cable that goes somewhere apparently unimportant and I could take them all out. But I suspect at least some of them go to power devices that happened to be turned off at the time. I just don't dare try to find out what goes where. At this point, taking everything apart and putting everything back together has to be a full 3 days worth of effort. It used to be an annual thing, more or less. But I stopped at one point, and it's now too late to do anything about it.
Norwegian authorities try to get completely rid of extension cords and power strips and similar devices. So they have defined requirements for all new apartments / houses: In any room for indoor activity, like living room, bedroom, home office, ...: At least two outlets per 4 square meter (full or partial) floor space, plus in your living room an additional six where the TV set is supposed to be placed. For my 35 sq.m. living room, that adds up to a minimum of 24 electrical outlets. For the kitchen, there must be dedicated outlet for each fixed location appliance such as fridge, freezer, kitchen fan, cooking stove, dishwasher, coffee machine, microwave, ... plus two outlet per 2 meter (full or partial) work bench for kitchen bench appliances, plus four outlets by the kitchen table. For my kitchen that means 22 outlets. The 15 sq.m. bedroom requires eight outlets. The smaller 9 sq.m. one can pass with six outlets. The 6 sq.m bathroom must have four outlets... I can certainly imagine that there are people with a real need for 24 outlets in their living room, or eight in their bedroom. But these are minimum requirements. If the are not satisfied, then you are not allowed to move into the house. I never had a TV set, no cable tuner, no VCR, DVD or BD player (of the set-top type - I've got it in my PC). I have a central vacuum cleaner, with no need for power where I am using it. The heating is in the floor - no need to plug in an extra heater (I rather lit my open fireplace or wood stove). I am in the process of changing all my indoor lighting to 12VDC LED light, with no need for an AC socket. So I have no idea what I would need the 24 outlets in my living room for. Or four outlets in the bathroom. Fortunately (for this issue), my house is old, and the requirements apply to new residences only. I can do quite extensive remodeling without invoking these requirements. But minimum requirements at this level help explain why housing is so f* expensive in this country. Admittedly: Where these requirements are satisfied, you certainly need not burden your family bugdet with expensive power strips and extension cords...
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Never mind the individual cables, apparently I have so many power bars under my desk that, about a month ago, I accidentally hit the power switch on one of them with my foot (turning it off), and nothing but my small desk stereo stopped working. Meaning, I have at least one entire power strip sitting under my desk, with 5 out of its 6 outlets used by a cable that goes somewhere apparently unimportant and I could take them all out. But I suspect at least some of them go to power devices that happened to be turned off at the time. I just don't dare try to find out what goes where. At this point, taking everything apart and putting everything back together has to be a full 3 days worth of effort. It used to be an annual thing, more or less. But I stopped at one point, and it's now too late to do anything about it.
dandy72 wrote:
and it's now too late to do anything about it
This made me :laugh:
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Is that what it's called, "tidy cabling?" I just searched those keywords on the IKEA site and nothing resembling what you describe.
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Sorry: Cable management & accessories Or "cabling" would have worked. I was para-phrasing :-\
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