Reason for changing job
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Nand32 wrote:
THE Candidate: "This company asks me to work extra hours & they don't have good parking facility"
I think I interviewed this Candidate's brother one time. We asked him, "What are you looking for in your career here as a software dev?" Candidate: "Something local. Pays good and good hours." I was like, "Hey, I can't be bothered to hire someone who can't even take the time and energy to at least lie during the interview." :laugh:
raddevus wrote:
"Something local. Pays good and good hours."
:laugh: I heard the below several years back. Candidate : "I know people are now using MVC/MVVM. But I would like to do WinForms & WebForms with DataAdaptors & simpler application, mainly like "Maintenance types" " :laugh:
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I interviewed a guy for web development role. Me: "Why are you looking to change your job?" THE Candidate: "This company asks me to work extra hours & they don't have good parking facility" Me: "&.. What?" Excuse me? He says he couldn't park his car comfortably. Will you believe this? :)
I could've said that. If I come somewhere and it's not obvious where I can park I will ask about it. Going to work every day and not knowing if or where you can park can really be a source of daily stress. I worked somewhere in the city that required me to park in a parking garage. The nearest garage was €36 a day, so it could really add to your monthly costs as well. Since I was a contractor they didn't pay for my parking costs. I always parked at another garage, a 10 minute walk away, which was €12 a day (and added 20 minutes commute a day!). If my regular garage was closed or full, which happened a few time, I had to search for another garage which could add over 15 minutes to my commute and searching for a garage in a busy city is stressful enough as it is. For their own employees they had parking subscriptions or public transport subscriptions (they were near, and later, on, Utrecht Central). Public transport wasn't an option for me as it would make my commute six hours a day :laugh: I had a coworker at another customer who had over €500 a month on parking costs alone (but his employer paid for it). So yeah, parking is important.
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I could've said that. If I come somewhere and it's not obvious where I can park I will ask about it. Going to work every day and not knowing if or where you can park can really be a source of daily stress. I worked somewhere in the city that required me to park in a parking garage. The nearest garage was €36 a day, so it could really add to your monthly costs as well. Since I was a contractor they didn't pay for my parking costs. I always parked at another garage, a 10 minute walk away, which was €12 a day (and added 20 minutes commute a day!). If my regular garage was closed or full, which happened a few time, I had to search for another garage which could add over 15 minutes to my commute and searching for a garage in a busy city is stressful enough as it is. For their own employees they had parking subscriptions or public transport subscriptions (they were near, and later, on, Utrecht Central). Public transport wasn't an option for me as it would make my commute six hours a day :laugh: I had a coworker at another customer who had over €500 a month on parking costs alone (but his employer paid for it). So yeah, parking is important.
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I interviewed a guy for web development role. Me: "Why are you looking to change your job?" THE Candidate: "This company asks me to work extra hours & they don't have good parking facility" Me: "&.. What?" Excuse me? He says he couldn't park his car comfortably. Will you believe this? :)
It depends on the situation. Some overtime is expected at most companies, especially when a release to production happens. But I know of places where the developers were working overtime all the time and then you get burnt out. As for the parking, it also depends, maybe his current job is in an area that isn't safe, so then safe parking is a perk to have.
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I interviewed a guy for web development role. Me: "Why are you looking to change your job?" THE Candidate: "This company asks me to work extra hours & they don't have good parking facility" Me: "&.. What?" Excuse me? He says he couldn't park his car comfortably. Will you believe this? :)
bit OT but what exactly is overtime/extra hours in dev? one reason I went solo is "office hours" were wasted on meetings (blaming and passing the buck) and replying to executive idiots in person or by email why they were idiots. ... It was only after the "office hour" idiots went home I could actually get work done. for that reason even though working late I'd still stay up even longer getting own stuff (and show watching) out, arriving at work next day still tired didn't matter: the hours of [snoozing in] meetings and politics didn't take much energy - just way too much time; by the time I could get to work I'd back in the fully alert zone.
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I interviewed a guy for web development role. Me: "Why are you looking to change your job?" THE Candidate: "This company asks me to work extra hours & they don't have good parking facility" Me: "&.. What?" Excuse me? He says he couldn't park his car comfortably. Will you believe this? :)
Two very good reasons in my opinion. Extra hours? Not unless it's reciprocated with extra pay or extra time off. If the work is interesting, they'll often get some extra hours for free anyway. But it shouldn't be expected. Parking? What kind of idiots locate their office where parking is expensive or unavailable? If the execs take the bus, maybe the topic is open for discussion. Otherwise, pass.
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I interviewed a guy for web development role. Me: "Why are you looking to change your job?" THE Candidate: "This company asks me to work extra hours & they don't have good parking facility" Me: "&.. What?" Excuse me? He says he couldn't park his car comfortably. Will you believe this? :)
In my world.... A professional has tasks and deadlines. They need to either get it done on time or get an extension. I think this is called productivity. The more productive you are, the more salary increase you get. As for parking... we have a Be Active incentive which covers a portion of our health care premiums. I meet the requirements for this by walking to and from my parking spot (1 km round trip)
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I interviewed a guy for web development role. Me: "Why are you looking to change your job?" THE Candidate: "This company asks me to work extra hours & they don't have good parking facility" Me: "&.. What?" Excuse me? He says he couldn't park his car comfortably. Will you believe this? :)
At least he's being honest.
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raddevus wrote:
"Something local. Pays good and good hours."
:laugh: I heard the below several years back. Candidate : "I know people are now using MVC/MVVM. But I would like to do WinForms & WebForms with DataAdaptors & simpler application, mainly like "Maintenance types" " :laugh:
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oops, that really matters. If The Candidate could do well in the interview, We would even let him come in a caravan. :-D But he didn't do well, unfortunately.
Nand32 wrote:
We would even let him come in a caravan
That sounds interesting, when can I start!? :laugh:
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Two very good reasons in my opinion. Extra hours? Not unless it's reciprocated with extra pay or extra time off. If the work is interesting, they'll often get some extra hours for free anyway. But it shouldn't be expected. Parking? What kind of idiots locate their office where parking is expensive or unavailable? If the execs take the bus, maybe the topic is open for discussion. Otherwise, pass.
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Greg Utas wrote:
What kind of idiots locate their office where parking is expensive or unavailable?
Every company that locates in a city where potential employees are abundant? :confused: A friend of mine worked for a company with six parking lots for 200 people, of which two were reserved for the bosses and two for visitors :laugh: People either took their bike, public transport (which stopped in front of the office) or parked their car outside the city and took the subway.
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In my world.... A professional has tasks and deadlines. They need to either get it done on time or get an extension. I think this is called productivity. The more productive you are, the more salary increase you get. As for parking... we have a Be Active incentive which covers a portion of our health care premiums. I meet the requirements for this by walking to and from my parking spot (1 km round trip)
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MadMyche wrote:
The more productive you are, the more salary increase you get.
How do you measure productivity? Lines of code? Bugs solved? Meetings attended? I had a coworker who produced lots of lines of code... In a single function that only he understood and broke in production! Most "productive" guy on the team, except I wouldn't hire him if he paid me for it (unless he paid me so much that I didn't have to work anymore) X| It's hard to measure productivity for a programmer!
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Greg Utas wrote:
What kind of idiots locate their office where parking is expensive or unavailable?
Every company that locates in a city where potential employees are abundant? :confused: A friend of mine worked for a company with six parking lots for 200 people, of which two were reserved for the bosses and two for visitors :laugh: People either took their bike, public transport (which stopped in front of the office) or parked their car outside the city and took the subway.
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Most cities have office space outside the core. Unless there's a good reason to be located there (a law firm that needs to be close to a courthouse, say), paying for downtown office space is frivolous.
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MadMyche wrote:
The more productive you are, the more salary increase you get.
How do you measure productivity? Lines of code? Bugs solved? Meetings attended? I had a coworker who produced lots of lines of code... In a single function that only he understood and broke in production! Most "productive" guy on the team, except I wouldn't hire him if he paid me for it (unless he paid me so much that I didn't have to work anymore) X| It's hard to measure productivity for a programmer!
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Productivity is a measure that management makes up as they go along; and it is a comparison of how much you got done compared to what they think you should get done
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Productivity is a measure that management makes up as they go along; and it is a comparison of how much you got done compared to what they think you should get done
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It's hard to measure productivity for a programmer
Which is why, as a freelancer, I prefer to work for small clients with no other IT input (or at least on small projects with no other IT input). "Productivity" is then a doddle for the client to quantify - it's how much they save (or generate) as a result of what I do for them, divided by their cost of hiring me. Or in another measure, how many days it takes to recover that cost. When there's a team involved, the client can get an overall figure for the team, but not the individuals in that team.
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Some overtime is expected at most companies, especially when a release to production happens
That's probably the worst time to be expecting overtime. That's when some of the most critical decisions are made (i.e. where a single bad decision can have the biggest negative impact) and you don't want your workers tired, stressed or resentful at that time. Manage your project and put in the overtime as soon as any slippage - including eating into any contingency - occurs.
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Most cities have office space outside the core. Unless there's a good reason to be located there (a law firm that needs to be close to a courthouse, say), paying for downtown office space is frivolous.
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The center in Rotterdam has quite a few businesses and they are there because it is reachable. If you're from the city, you can take public transport and always end up in the center relatively cheap and fast, at least cheaper and faster than taking a car. Of course you could always take a bike and be there in 10 to 40 minutes, depending on where in Rotterdam you live, or even faster with an electric bike. If you're from another city, like Amsterdam, Utrecht or The Hague, you also don't want to go to Rotterdam by car because you'll be hopelessly stuck in traffic and you'll still have to drive through your own city. Many people who live in cities don't even own a car because parking can be expensive. Public transport, on the other hand, goes straight to Rotterdam central. I'm taking Rotterdam as an example, but the same applies to Amsterdam, Utrecht and The Hague. If you're from any of the other cities in Randstad (the area that's roughly between those four cities) you might seriously want to consider taking public transport as well unless you don't mind being in traffic for over an hour. I live just outside the Randstad area and my only option is to take the bus, which would take me an hour to get to Rotterdam. It's doable for Rotterdam, but not so much if I have to go to any of the other cities. That said, it's been years since I've taken the bus. I only use public transport when I'm already in a city.
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I interviewed a guy for web development role. Me: "Why are you looking to change your job?" THE Candidate: "This company asks me to work extra hours & they don't have good parking facility" Me: "&.. What?" Excuse me? He says he couldn't park his car comfortably. Will you believe this? :)
Sure, maybe. There's a place that invited me for an interview that didn't own the parking spaces in front of it. Local govt owned them. Local govt put a 4 hour limit on it.. and enforced it too. So in your lunch break, you *had* to go out and reset the time, or get a fine. Absolute trash. There were other reasons to reject them but it would have been enough.
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oops, that really matters. If The Candidate could do well in the interview, We would even let him come in a caravan. :-D But he didn't do well, unfortunately.
Where does this caravan stand? Is it a long walk to the office? Or should I work from the caravan due to lockdown-rules? Can I move the caravan? ..and most important, does the caravan have an office-grade coffee-machine?
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Nand32 wrote:
THE Candidate: "This company asks me to work extra hours & they don't have good parking facility"
I think I interviewed this Candidate's brother one time. We asked him, "What are you looking for in your career here as a software dev?" Candidate: "Something local. Pays good and good hours." I was like, "Hey, I can't be bothered to hire someone who can't even take the time and energy to at least lie during the interview." :laugh:
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It's hard to measure productivity for a programmer
Which is why, as a freelancer, I prefer to work for small clients with no other IT input (or at least on small projects with no other IT input). "Productivity" is then a doddle for the client to quantify - it's how much they save (or generate) as a result of what I do for them, divided by their cost of hiring me. Or in another measure, how many days it takes to recover that cost. When there's a team involved, the client can get an overall figure for the team, but not the individuals in that team.
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Some overtime is expected at most companies, especially when a release to production happens
That's probably the worst time to be expecting overtime. That's when some of the most critical decisions are made (i.e. where a single bad decision can have the biggest negative impact) and you don't want your workers tired, stressed or resentful at that time. Manage your project and put in the overtime as soon as any slippage - including eating into any contingency - occurs.
I am on a team of Senior Developers at a multi-national engineering/manufacturing company... so these items are a little different in my world
Sander Rossel wrote:
It's hard to measure productivity for a programmer!
DerekT-P replied:
Which is why, as a freelancer, I prefer to work for small clients with no other IT input. "Productivity" is then a doddle for the client to quantify
My junior developers are all contracted in, their tasks have a budgeted time amount. I do give input and I do review their work. My bosses review their invoiced time and compare it to what was budgeted.
Jacquers wrote:
Some overtime is expected at most companies, especially when a release to production happen
DerekT-P replied:
That's probably the worst time to be expecting overtime.
That depends.... Our (team) projects all have time budgeted for the deployment projects as well as post-deployment support. But then again, if other parts of the company change up their data format or come up with something else weird... we may get some calls about what they did to gum up our works with the natural question of how am I going to fix it.
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