Error Messages Written By Devs (MS Office)
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1. Save will save it. 2. Don't save will not save your changes but a temp copy is still available. 3. Cancel closes the dialog and takes you back to your document.
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ZurdoDev wrote:
1. Save will save it. 2. Don't save will not save your changes but a temp copy is still available. 3. Cancel closes the dialog and takes you back to your document.
Sheesh... This clarity really ruins the joy I was getting from harshing on MS error messages. :sigh: :laugh: :laugh: Well, I can always post something about the latest Win10 update. :rolleyes:
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Just had this error / warning message pop-up in MS Word. I don't believe I attempted to save or close the document in question. I actually had opened another document and closed it while this one was open. https://i.stack.imgur.com/8ekVQ.png[^]
MS Word said:
If you click "Don't Save", a recent copy of this file will be temporarily available.
:confused::confused: "Temporarily available??" When will it be consistently available? :confused::confused: What!?! What does any of that mean? :confused: "A recent copy"... ??? :confused: No idea. There are only 3 buttons so I'm flipping a coin to determine which one to click. :rolleyes: UPDATE Wait...isn't [Don't Save] the same thing as [Cancel]?? :confused:
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Just had this error / warning message pop-up in MS Word. I don't believe I attempted to save or close the document in question. I actually had opened another document and closed it while this one was open. https://i.stack.imgur.com/8ekVQ.png[^]
MS Word said:
If you click "Don't Save", a recent copy of this file will be temporarily available.
:confused::confused: "Temporarily available??" When will it be consistently available? :confused::confused: What!?! What does any of that mean? :confused: "A recent copy"... ??? :confused: No idea. There are only 3 buttons so I'm flipping a coin to determine which one to click. :rolleyes: UPDATE Wait...isn't [Don't Save] the same thing as [Cancel]?? :confused:
Back in 1990 or so, I wrote an app that used resource strings for error messages. I had a "catch-all" error message that read, "Shut 'er down Scotty, the system's suckin' mud!". This error message was displayed whenever the returned error code didn't have an associated error message. One day, a customer called, asking what that message meant. Everyone had a good laugh, but I had to track down the missing error code...
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Welcome to the new and improved Microsoft. :laugh:
Mickeysoft... Did they ever mention making everything as annoying and distracting as possible in their design guides?
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ZurdoDev wrote:
1. Save will save it. 2. Don't save will not save your changes but a temp copy is still available. 3. Cancel closes the dialog and takes you back to your document.
Sheesh... This clarity really ruins the joy I was getting from harshing on MS error messages. :sigh: :laugh: :laugh: Well, I can always post something about the latest Win10 update. :rolleyes:
raddevus wrote:
Well, I can always post something about the latest Win10 update.
I wouldn't bet... that's getting harder everyday... ;P :laugh:
M.D.V. ;) If something has a solution... Why do we have to worry about?. If it has no solution... For what reason do we have to worry about? Help me to understand what I'm saying, and I'll explain it better to you Rating helpful answers is nice, but saying thanks can be even nicer.
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As brought to you by the highly precise minds which declared only a single space after a period instead of a double space.
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"If you are searching for perfection in others, then you seek disappointment. If you seek perfection in yourself, then you will find failure." - Balboos HaGadol Mar 2010
I read about that. Didn't even know it was a thing. I've never seen anyone intentionally use a double space in my life, nor heard about it. So if it was a thing I'm with Microsoft on this one :D
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Just had this error / warning message pop-up in MS Word. I don't believe I attempted to save or close the document in question. I actually had opened another document and closed it while this one was open. https://i.stack.imgur.com/8ekVQ.png[^]
MS Word said:
If you click "Don't Save", a recent copy of this file will be temporarily available.
:confused::confused: "Temporarily available??" When will it be consistently available? :confused::confused: What!?! What does any of that mean? :confused: "A recent copy"... ??? :confused: No idea. There are only 3 buttons so I'm flipping a coin to determine which one to click. :rolleyes: UPDATE Wait...isn't [Don't Save] the same thing as [Cancel]?? :confused:
It is a huge advance. Originally auto-save kicked in only after one saved it's work. So the sane way was to save the document just after starting it. Now Office keeps track of not-saved-yet works in progress, too. Of course it means that works not intended to save (like blackmails) are saved too, so there is a warning. And there is a Learn more link to explain.
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1. Save will save it. 2. Don't save will not save your changes but a temp copy is still available. 3. Cancel closes the dialog and takes you back to your document.
Social Media - A platform that makes it easier for the crazies to find each other. Everyone is born right handed. Only the strongest overcome it. Fight for left-handed rights and hand equality.
If you crash out of Word or your PC crashes, then the 'working copy' is still in a temporary recovery location and when you restart Word it asks if you wish to recover the file. At least, that is the theory. Unless you do what one client that I worked for did ... They set the recovery location to C:\TEMP, which is OK. But, for security reasons, they deleted all contents of C:\TEMP as part of the PC load up (good old C:\AUTOEXEC.BAT).
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As brought to you by the highly precise minds which declared only a single space after a period instead of a double space.
"The difference between genius and stupidity is that genius has its limits." - Albert Einstein
"If you are searching for perfection in others, then you seek disappointment. If you seek perfection in yourself, then you will find failure." - Balboos HaGadol Mar 2010
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I read about that. Didn't even know it was a thing. I've never seen anyone intentionally use a double space in my life, nor heard about it. So if it was a thing I'm with Microsoft on this one :D
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I was trained to do two spaces very early on. Two spaces (I did it before this sentence without thinking about it) after the period is in my muscle memory. I imagine there's an age cut-off to this habit.
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I read about that. Didn't even know it was a thing. I've never seen anyone intentionally use a double space in my life, nor heard about it. So if it was a thing I'm with Microsoft on this one :D
Best, Sander sanderrossel.com Migrating Applications to the Cloud with Azure arrgh.js - Bringing LINQ to JavaScript Object-Oriented Programming in C# Succinctly
[Must explain...can't...resist...] Developers of a certain age were trained on typewriters to double-space after a sentence end. This helped readers perceive sentence endings when the text was in a single, fixed-width font. If you look at books and newspapers, which are printed in a variable-width font, you don't see extra space after the sentence-ending punctuation. It was the Herculean task of MSWord to retrain a whole generation of typists to handle the newly-available variable-width fonts.
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I was trained to do two spaces very early on. Two spaces (I did it before this sentence without thinking about it) after the period is in my muscle memory. I imagine there's an age cut-off to this habit.
There was a Norwegian standard for layout of typewriter text that demanded two spaces after a full stop. Usually, Norwegian standards are international ones, adopted in Norway as well; I believe this is one of those. I don't remember when this standard was revoked. It was most likely sometime during the 1980s, certainly no earlier. In typewriting classes when I went to school, it certinly was still kicking. Double spaces after full stopp essentially was a (paper) typewriter phenomenon that disappeared when the word processors took over. (Old joke: - Dad, why do they call it a "word processor"? - Well, son ... You have seen what food processors do to food! )
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There was a Norwegian standard for layout of typewriter text that demanded two spaces after a full stop. Usually, Norwegian standards are international ones, adopted in Norway as well; I believe this is one of those. I don't remember when this standard was revoked. It was most likely sometime during the 1980s, certainly no earlier. In typewriting classes when I went to school, it certinly was still kicking. Double spaces after full stopp essentially was a (paper) typewriter phenomenon that disappeared when the word processors took over. (Old joke: - Dad, why do they call it a "word processor"? - Well, son ... You have seen what food processors do to food! )
I distinctly remember having to do it in a typing class (typewriters and word processors) in the mid 90s.
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I read about that. Didn't even know it was a thing. I've never seen anyone intentionally use a double space in my life, nor heard about it. So if it was a thing I'm with Microsoft on this one :D
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In the days before computers and proportional spaced typewriters it was the convention to leave two spaces after a period. This was to mimic the practice that typesetters used of leaving a bigger space after a period than between words. SO literally millions of people learned this and as they say, "Old habits die hard."
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I read about that. Didn't even know it was a thing. I've never seen anyone intentionally use a double space in my life, nor heard about it. So if it was a thing I'm with Microsoft on this one :D
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For those of us who learned to type on real typewriters (not even electric typewriters in a public school), that was the standard. Double spaces after periods and colons. Single space after commas, quotes, etc. It was for visual easy. It still is. Of course, the modern standard is to not even use words - U no wh I mean. As our machines get smarter people allow themselves to get stupider
"The difference between genius and stupidity is that genius has its limits." - Albert Einstein
"If you are searching for perfection in others, then you seek disappointment. If you seek perfection in yourself, then you will find failure." - Balboos HaGadol Mar 2010
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We can thank Twitter and proportional fonts for the single vs. double space after a period or other sentence end.
I don't quite understand what you mean. In the days of real typewriters, all fonts were monospace. You put a double space after a period (or colon) for eye-ease. For proportional fonts it's even more important to do so as the space is very narrow.
"The difference between genius and stupidity is that genius has its limits." - Albert Einstein
"If you are searching for perfection in others, then you seek disappointment. If you seek perfection in yourself, then you will find failure." - Balboos HaGadol Mar 2010
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[Must explain...can't...resist...] Developers of a certain age were trained on typewriters to double-space after a sentence end. This helped readers perceive sentence endings when the text was in a single, fixed-width font. If you look at books and newspapers, which are printed in a variable-width font, you don't see extra space after the sentence-ending punctuation. It was the Herculean task of MSWord to retrain a whole generation of typists to handle the newly-available variable-width fonts.
But as a software/firmware developer, I always used a fixed width font (Monospaced). I've set my email client to use the same font. I think the only places I use a varible width font was when I had to use Word (infrequent occasion) or reply to a post (like here!).
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I don't quite understand what you mean. In the days of real typewriters, all fonts were monospace. You put a double space after a period (or colon) for eye-ease. For proportional fonts it's even more important to do so as the space is very narrow.
"The difference between genius and stupidity is that genius has its limits." - Albert Einstein
"If you are searching for perfection in others, then you seek disappointment. If you seek perfection in yourself, then you will find failure." - Balboos HaGadol Mar 2010
If you count daisywheel printers such as the Diablo as a "typewriter", and the more expensive variants of IBM Selectric, then you did have variable pitch typefaces. Typesetting systems have a large selection of space widths. The intra-word space is usually narrower than the nspace - the width of an 'n', and usually of all digits so that you can easily set good-looking numeric tables. mspace has the widht of an 'm'. Whether an nspace or an mspace is used after a full stop is up to the software and the typesetter. Using a plain, intra-word space after a full stop is sheer lazyness. ... but who cares about typographic qualities nowadays? Most people don't know what it is! In my first job, 35+ years ago, another part of the company were making a typesetting system, and I saw a couple of them close to a fistfight regarding the placement of a comma: It was commonly accepted that when stretching lines for a straight right margin, and a full stop ended up at the end of a line, the full stop has so little visual weight that it is set outside the right hand margin. If you set it inside, the straight margin appears to have a dent. This near-fistfight was whether a comma should be treated the same way, or it has sufficient visual weight to be set the same way as other characters, inside the margin. I find it difficult to imagine how anyone today would care at all. If there are still "real" typographers alive, maybe a few of them would say something like "Well, you know it looks better if you do it so-and-so", but I guess they know that they lost the battle many years ago. Sidetrack: Lots of kids, and my daughter in particular, love to play with words. When we got a dog, she became very focused on all sorts of dogs, and in her style of word play, a setter became a typographer. There were both English, Irish and Gordon typographers in our neighbourhood.
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If you count daisywheel printers such as the Diablo as a "typewriter", and the more expensive variants of IBM Selectric, then you did have variable pitch typefaces. Typesetting systems have a large selection of space widths. The intra-word space is usually narrower than the nspace - the width of an 'n', and usually of all digits so that you can easily set good-looking numeric tables. mspace has the widht of an 'm'. Whether an nspace or an mspace is used after a full stop is up to the software and the typesetter. Using a plain, intra-word space after a full stop is sheer lazyness. ... but who cares about typographic qualities nowadays? Most people don't know what it is! In my first job, 35+ years ago, another part of the company were making a typesetting system, and I saw a couple of them close to a fistfight regarding the placement of a comma: It was commonly accepted that when stretching lines for a straight right margin, and a full stop ended up at the end of a line, the full stop has so little visual weight that it is set outside the right hand margin. If you set it inside, the straight margin appears to have a dent. This near-fistfight was whether a comma should be treated the same way, or it has sufficient visual weight to be set the same way as other characters, inside the margin. I find it difficult to imagine how anyone today would care at all. If there are still "real" typographers alive, maybe a few of them would say something like "Well, you know it looks better if you do it so-and-so", but I guess they know that they lost the battle many years ago. Sidetrack: Lots of kids, and my daughter in particular, love to play with words. When we got a dog, she became very focused on all sorts of dogs, and in her style of word play, a setter became a typographer. There were both English, Irish and Gordon typographers in our neighbourhood.
Well - I don't count the intermediate state for typing - just plain typewriters. The kind that induced QWERTY to keep the typing speed down (lest the hammers lock up in a cluster). Muscle memory thwarted that but it was the cause. As for what's what in spacing - I was rather good in printing shop (do they even have the real thing anymore?) - and like everyone in the class, had the "California Job Case" memorized. Not just N and M quad, but 1/2N, 1/2M, 2N, 2M, . . ., 4M. A comma gets one space - but when you full-justify lines then that goes down the tubes and you need to alter all the spacing on the line. Sometimes (and it still happens with computers), that can look awkward. Fight !
"The difference between genius and stupidity is that genius has its limits." - Albert Einstein
"If you are searching for perfection in others, then you seek disappointment. If you seek perfection in yourself, then you will find failure." - Balboos HaGadol Mar 2010
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I was trained to do two spaces very early on. Two spaces (I did it before this sentence without thinking about it) after the period is in my muscle memory. I imagine there's an age cut-off to this habit.
2 spaces is the norm. Taught in typing classes when we still had those. Of course, that was when people still typed using all their fingers and not just their thumbs. I took typing class in my High School, freshman year. It was mandatory to take at some point during Freshman/Soph years (it was 1 semester). This was in the 90's, and 2 spaces is what I was taught. Along with when to properly use indents vs. flush formatting and how to address formal letters and other typing standards. After the class I could type by touch at about 50wpm (after mistakes subtracted). One of the most used skills I use daily I learned in HS.
