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How would you send a project to a customer in a way that he would be forced to send and acceptance message or at least that leaves constance of being sent

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  • J Joan M

    Hi all, Finished one project, completely buried in work, my customer asked me to send him the project using WeTransfer. I'd like to receive a confirmation of reception. Is there any method out there that offers that? Do you use something similar? Thanks in advance!

    www.robotecnik.com[^] - robots, CNC and PLC programming

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    Nelek
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    Why not send it with a encrypted USB device per post requiring to be signed at destination? Once they get it, they ask you for the password. This way you have a double confirmation.

    M.D.V. ;) If something has a solution... Why do we have to worry about?. If it has no solution... For what reason do we have to worry about? Help me to understand what I'm saying, and I'll explain it better to you Rating helpful answers is nice, but saying thanks can be even nicer.

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    • J Joan M

      Hi all, Finished one project, completely buried in work, my customer asked me to send him the project using WeTransfer. I'd like to receive a confirmation of reception. Is there any method out there that offers that? Do you use something similar? Thanks in advance!

      www.robotecnik.com[^] - robots, CNC and PLC programming

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      Kiriander
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      What about asking the customer to confirm they received the delivery?

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        Why not send it with a encrypted USB device per post requiring to be signed at destination? Once they get it, they ask you for the password. This way you have a double confirmation.

        M.D.V. ;) If something has a solution... Why do we have to worry about?. If it has no solution... For what reason do we have to worry about? Help me to understand what I'm saying, and I'll explain it better to you Rating helpful answers is nice, but saying thanks can be even nicer.

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        kalberts
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        Or you could use an X.400 email system, where this functionality has been available for 35+ years

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          Or you could use an X.400 email system, where this functionality has been available for 35+ years

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          However, this model fails when the email services are provided by the user's company or organization, or when the service provider is not known. In this case, there is no national-scale database of users and an improper organization name is enough to cause it to fail. This is the dominant model today, where companies use an internal server, or even more commonly, use a provider like Gmail, which is invisible outside the organization, and even to the users. In this model, the ADMD is unknown or the same as the organization itself.

          So... my answer still is more likely to succeed

          M.D.V. ;) If something has a solution... Why do we have to worry about?. If it has no solution... For what reason do we have to worry about? Help me to understand what I'm saying, and I'll explain it better to you Rating helpful answers is nice, but saying thanks can be even nicer.

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          • J Joan M

            Hi all, Finished one project, completely buried in work, my customer asked me to send him the project using WeTransfer. I'd like to receive a confirmation of reception. Is there any method out there that offers that? Do you use something similar? Thanks in advance!

            www.robotecnik.com[^] - robots, CNC and PLC programming

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            super
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            Whatever delivery , its encrypted with password. Once they download or get it, they need to contact us for Key.

            cheers,

            Super

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            • J Joan M

              Hi all, Finished one project, completely buried in work, my customer asked me to send him the project using WeTransfer. I'd like to receive a confirmation of reception. Is there any method out there that offers that? Do you use something similar? Thanks in advance!

              www.robotecnik.com[^] - robots, CNC and PLC programming

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              Member 14867632
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              Hi Joan, I would probably use one of two options: 1) A large file email service. MailBigFile.com has a free service for up to 2GB which can be used commercially. You can upload and protect the files, they get loaded onto a server and the recipient is emailed to allow them to download. You get email confirmations throughout, so when the upload finishes, when the recipient starts the download, and when the recipient completes the download. There are other similar services available, but that is the one I tend to use. There is a pro version for £19 per year that lets you send bigger files and leave the files on the server for longer etc. 2) Log in remotely with TeamViewer and depending on file size either copy and paste directly into the machine or use the built in File Transfer functionality. There is a free version but it is limited to non-commercial usage and you would need it on both machines, but the user can install into memory for a one-off and allow you to have access. They cannot deny receiving it if you put it directly onto their machine! I use the Professional version commercially to provide remote support and file transfer, and whilst it is not cheap, but it is a very good product. Again there are other similar products available including free ones but I prefer the higher security and better functionality of TeamViewer. Either solution should provide all you have requested with ease, and both are free if you are doing open source or volunteer work. Chris Bray

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                However, this model fails when the email services are provided by the user's company or organization, or when the service provider is not known. In this case, there is no national-scale database of users and an improper organization name is enough to cause it to fail. This is the dominant model today, where companies use an internal server, or even more commonly, use a provider like Gmail, which is invisible outside the organization, and even to the users. In this model, the ADMD is unknown or the same as the organization itself.

                So... my answer still is more likely to succeed

                M.D.V. ;) If something has a solution... Why do we have to worry about?. If it has no solution... For what reason do we have to worry about? Help me to understand what I'm saying, and I'll explain it better to you Rating helpful answers is nice, but saying thanks can be even nicer.

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                kalberts
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                X.400 was designed with the intention that the mail transfer system, the MTAs, were managed by a recognized, public athority. It was developed by the ITU (or as it was called then, CCITT), considering the network of MTAs the way they considered the network of telephone switches: Of course you may, within your company, have an internal distribution system to each employee - a PBX for phone, maybe a company database for the email. For voice phone, there is a well defined Network Termination point: The network provider has the full responsibility upstream from this point, the customer has the full responsibility downstream. For email, there was a similar point referred to as P3. This splitting into a mail network provider and mail user was not very popular among Internet people - they want every single developer to be able to manage the whole thing, run its own mail network of MTAs, free to be modified as the developer wants. That's how SMPT nodes are run, by just anyone who cares to set it up. Why should anyone tell us that X.400 assumes a stricter discipline? We don't want discipline in the Internet - Internet is free! So the guy whose X.400 address is revealed in the Wikipedia article, Harald Alvestrand, said with a smile when working with X.400 at the Uninett research institute: "Sure, we use the ITU X.400 document in our everyday work, but we've got a copy of ISO 10021 available, in case someone points out that we are not a telecom adminstration - the documents are technically identical, but the ISO version has deleted the paragraph stating that MTAs are operated by recognized telecom administrations" :-) (Another thing from the same guy: He entered IETF work going from X.400 into MIME, which was still in the design discussion phase at that time. When a new problem area was brought up, Harald suggested that they adopted the solution already designed for X.400, both to save the design effort and to ease interworking between the two email systems. He was immediately and forcefully turned down: No matter what qualities the X.400 solution had, we are not going to do anything the way of the OSI stack! ... So (some parts of) MIME was deliberately designed to be different from, and incompatible with, X.400. That is how the netork wars were like, thirty years ago.) The critisism raised in the text you quote seems to ignore X.500 completely. In the 1984 "Red Book" recommendations, the directory system we now mostly know as LDAP. (LDAP was originally an access protocol to a "real" X.50

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                  X.400 was designed with the intention that the mail transfer system, the MTAs, were managed by a recognized, public athority. It was developed by the ITU (or as it was called then, CCITT), considering the network of MTAs the way they considered the network of telephone switches: Of course you may, within your company, have an internal distribution system to each employee - a PBX for phone, maybe a company database for the email. For voice phone, there is a well defined Network Termination point: The network provider has the full responsibility upstream from this point, the customer has the full responsibility downstream. For email, there was a similar point referred to as P3. This splitting into a mail network provider and mail user was not very popular among Internet people - they want every single developer to be able to manage the whole thing, run its own mail network of MTAs, free to be modified as the developer wants. That's how SMPT nodes are run, by just anyone who cares to set it up. Why should anyone tell us that X.400 assumes a stricter discipline? We don't want discipline in the Internet - Internet is free! So the guy whose X.400 address is revealed in the Wikipedia article, Harald Alvestrand, said with a smile when working with X.400 at the Uninett research institute: "Sure, we use the ITU X.400 document in our everyday work, but we've got a copy of ISO 10021 available, in case someone points out that we are not a telecom adminstration - the documents are technically identical, but the ISO version has deleted the paragraph stating that MTAs are operated by recognized telecom administrations" :-) (Another thing from the same guy: He entered IETF work going from X.400 into MIME, which was still in the design discussion phase at that time. When a new problem area was brought up, Harald suggested that they adopted the solution already designed for X.400, both to save the design effort and to ease interworking between the two email systems. He was immediately and forcefully turned down: No matter what qualities the X.400 solution had, we are not going to do anything the way of the OSI stack! ... So (some parts of) MIME was deliberately designed to be different from, and incompatible with, X.400. That is how the netork wars were like, thirty years ago.) The critisism raised in the text you quote seems to ignore X.500 completely. In the 1984 "Red Book" recommendations, the directory system we now mostly know as LDAP. (LDAP was originally an access protocol to a "real" X.50

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                  Nelek
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                  First of all, thanks for the explanation.

                  Member 7989122 wrote:

                  The critisism raised in the text you quote...

                  Not my criticism... My points are: I have never seen anyone using x.400 in my professional years. Heck, I didn't even remembered it until you told me today (I remember something about it in my college years, but I thought it had got extincted). Knowing how things work in Spain, I doubt that either Joan M or his customer have the infrastructure to use it on the short term. Reading the OP, reliability is as important as being able to finish the topic and strike it from the ToDo-List. That's why I suggested the encrypted drive and the physical post in the first place. That's something he can arrange right away.

                  M.D.V. ;) If something has a solution... Why do we have to worry about?. If it has no solution... For what reason do we have to worry about? Help me to understand what I'm saying, and I'll explain it better to you Rating helpful answers is nice, but saying thanks can be even nicer.

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                  • J Joan M

                    Hi all, Finished one project, completely buried in work, my customer asked me to send him the project using WeTransfer. I'd like to receive a confirmation of reception. Is there any method out there that offers that? Do you use something similar? Thanks in advance!

                    www.robotecnik.com[^] - robots, CNC and PLC programming

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                    W Balboos GHB
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                    Well, as you're the developer, you can build in to the opening screen (i.e., make it the opening screen) a path that does not let them actually run the application until they click some sort of accept delivery button. A little more sophistication is to return a key that either they need to enter themselves or is stored by you (if an .exe, for example, you have the power!). I used a similar scheme, many years ago, to enable software extensions to a product. The product had an authorization dongle but that didn't take care of add-ons. To get an authorization code, the user was given a key (actually just encrypted date-time for that moment) and this was combined with a unique value from the device (like cpu serial number) to generate a counter key. That got them authorized "forever" and never bothered them again. Unless the users are clever hackers and your software is of wide interest to the masses, you can create any sort of scheme that forces the user to acknowledge having the software in order to use it. If you charge per-cpu, then you need to key each to the machine, otherwise it's rather simple

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                    • J Joan M

                      Hi all, Finished one project, completely buried in work, my customer asked me to send him the project using WeTransfer. I'd like to receive a confirmation of reception. Is there any method out there that offers that? Do you use something similar? Thanks in advance!

                      www.robotecnik.com[^] - robots, CNC and PLC programming

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                      dandy72
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                      Joan M wrote:

                      Finished one project, completely buried in work, my customer asked me to send him the project using WeTransfer. I'd like to receive a confirmation of reception.

                      I have no idea who they are, but are you saying a company offering a service called "WeTransfer" doesn't have the means to provide confirmation of reception...? That seems like...a basic feature for any system offering, y'know, any sort of transfer.

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                      • J Joan M

                        Hi all, Finished one project, completely buried in work, my customer asked me to send him the project using WeTransfer. I'd like to receive a confirmation of reception. Is there any method out there that offers that? Do you use something similar? Thanks in advance!

                        www.robotecnik.com[^] - robots, CNC and PLC programming

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                        User 2893688
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                        Place the file in S3 and then restrict the access to a certain Token. Create a simple app in Angular that retrieves the file using the token. Given them the Token. Check the access log. This will take you take some time but you can leverage this method from this day forward.

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                        • J Joan M

                          Hi all, Finished one project, completely buried in work, my customer asked me to send him the project using WeTransfer. I'd like to receive a confirmation of reception. Is there any method out there that offers that? Do you use something similar? Thanks in advance!

                          www.robotecnik.com[^] - robots, CNC and PLC programming

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                          Ethia
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                          WeTransfer sends you an email when the recipient downloads your file. Although I rely on that daily in business, I doubt the email would prove anything in court, if things come down to that. Hope this helps.

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                          • N Nelek

                            First of all, thanks for the explanation.

                            Member 7989122 wrote:

                            The critisism raised in the text you quote...

                            Not my criticism... My points are: I have never seen anyone using x.400 in my professional years. Heck, I didn't even remembered it until you told me today (I remember something about it in my college years, but I thought it had got extincted). Knowing how things work in Spain, I doubt that either Joan M or his customer have the infrastructure to use it on the short term. Reading the OP, reliability is as important as being able to finish the topic and strike it from the ToDo-List. That's why I suggested the encrypted drive and the physical post in the first place. That's something he can arrange right away.

                            M.D.V. ;) If something has a solution... Why do we have to worry about?. If it has no solution... For what reason do we have to worry about? Help me to understand what I'm saying, and I'll explain it better to you Rating helpful answers is nice, but saying thanks can be even nicer.

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                            kalberts
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                            And I did put a joke marker on my first post about X.400 :-)

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                              And I did put a joke marker on my first post about X.400 :-)

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                              Nelek
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                              But not in the second one ;) :rolleyes: Not that I realized the first one :-O :doh:

                              M.D.V. ;) If something has a solution... Why do we have to worry about?. If it has no solution... For what reason do we have to worry about? Help me to understand what I'm saying, and I'll explain it better to you Rating helpful answers is nice, but saying thanks can be even nicer.

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