Windows 10 semi-rant / question
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I'm a foolhardy person that will apply Windows 10 updates when they come out. Sometimes they are little patchy things and sometimes whompers. I have always had my laptop set to generate dump files, do not turn off power to usb devices, etc. So this morning, came downstairs to be greeted by a BSOD. So, I reboot, go look for the DMP file. Not there. Hmm, check my system protection settings (you know the very useful system restore?) - disabled. On a whim, checked my power settings - all of my USB devices will now be managed. This is bad, because I have many usb devices that I use to talk to embedded hardware. I know I have turned off this setting. Any of you seen the same behavior? I think I'm losing it.
Charlie Gilley <italic>Stuck in a dysfunctional matrix from which I must escape... "Where liberty dwells, there is my country." B. Franklin, 1783 “They who can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety.” BF, 1759
The setting that most often fixes problems like this is "Use Linux instead of Windows 10."
".45 ACP - because shooting twice is just silly" - JSOP, 2010
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You can never have too much ammo - unless you're swimming, or on fire. - JSOP, 2010
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When you pry the gun from my cold dead hands, be careful - the barrel will be very hot. - JSOP, 2013 -
The setting that most often fixes problems like this is "Use Linux instead of Windows 10."
".45 ACP - because shooting twice is just silly" - JSOP, 2010
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You can never have too much ammo - unless you're swimming, or on fire. - JSOP, 2010
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When you pry the gun from my cold dead hands, be careful - the barrel will be very hot. - JSOP, 2013Haha, there is some truth to that...
Charlie Gilley <italic>Stuck in a dysfunctional matrix from which I must escape... "Where liberty dwells, there is my country." B. Franklin, 1783 “They who can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety.” BF, 1759
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I'm a foolhardy person that will apply Windows 10 updates when they come out. Sometimes they are little patchy things and sometimes whompers. I have always had my laptop set to generate dump files, do not turn off power to usb devices, etc. So this morning, came downstairs to be greeted by a BSOD. So, I reboot, go look for the DMP file. Not there. Hmm, check my system protection settings (you know the very useful system restore?) - disabled. On a whim, checked my power settings - all of my USB devices will now be managed. This is bad, because I have many usb devices that I use to talk to embedded hardware. I know I have turned off this setting. Any of you seen the same behavior? I think I'm losing it.
Charlie Gilley <italic>Stuck in a dysfunctional matrix from which I must escape... "Where liberty dwells, there is my country." B. Franklin, 1783 “They who can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety.” BF, 1759
check the kb no of the last few update for issues on google -- a few of the last once had issue with peoples h/w .. ur setting getting reset may have to do with some major update... these days msft dont respect your settings and u have to be sure they did nt turn it of to suck more of your data and make juice out of.. [Hardcore Windows: How to solve Windows 10 crashes in less than a minute | PCWorld](https://www.pcworld.com/article/3103104/how-to-solve-windows-10-crashes-in-less-than-a-minute.html)
Caveat Emptor. "Progress doesn't come from early risers – progress is made by lazy men looking for easier ways to do things." Lazarus Long
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I'm a foolhardy person that will apply Windows 10 updates when they come out. Sometimes they are little patchy things and sometimes whompers. I have always had my laptop set to generate dump files, do not turn off power to usb devices, etc. So this morning, came downstairs to be greeted by a BSOD. So, I reboot, go look for the DMP file. Not there. Hmm, check my system protection settings (you know the very useful system restore?) - disabled. On a whim, checked my power settings - all of my USB devices will now be managed. This is bad, because I have many usb devices that I use to talk to embedded hardware. I know I have turned off this setting. Any of you seen the same behavior? I think I'm losing it.
Charlie Gilley <italic>Stuck in a dysfunctional matrix from which I must escape... "Where liberty dwells, there is my country." B. Franklin, 1783 “They who can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety.” BF, 1759
My son has a Ryzen 9 running at 3.5GHz[^] but yesterday he said he noticed it was running at somewhere around 1GHz. I said, "You're running Win10, right? (I run Ubuntu) It was probably some update or something." He checked his BIOS, etc and then noticed that Win10 had removed a driver for his chipset and replaced it with an older one. He installed the new chipset drivers again and it was running at 3.5GHz again. Win10 :| X|
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The setting that most often fixes problems like this is "Use Linux instead of Windows 10."
".45 ACP - because shooting twice is just silly" - JSOP, 2010
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You can never have too much ammo - unless you're swimming, or on fire. - JSOP, 2010
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When you pry the gun from my cold dead hands, be careful - the barrel will be very hot. - JSOP, 2013 -
check the kb no of the last few update for issues on google -- a few of the last once had issue with peoples h/w .. ur setting getting reset may have to do with some major update... these days msft dont respect your settings and u have to be sure they did nt turn it of to suck more of your data and make juice out of.. [Hardcore Windows: How to solve Windows 10 crashes in less than a minute | PCWorld](https://www.pcworld.com/article/3103104/how-to-solve-windows-10-crashes-in-less-than-a-minute.html)
Caveat Emptor. "Progress doesn't come from early risers – progress is made by lazy men looking for easier ways to do things." Lazarus Long
I'll have to take a look at the link you posted. I think it's criminal that suddenly system restore points are disabled and Microsoft pushes out a turd update. I'm just a user, but God, if you're like an MSVP or whatever white night they call you, do you not feel dirty or a little embarrased? I just updated to 2004, nothing else changed and by magic I have BSODs out the wazoo? Having been through this before, I know it's the damn update. John, I wish I could go to linux, I do.
Charlie Gilley <italic>Stuck in a dysfunctional matrix from which I must escape... "Where liberty dwells, there is my country." B. Franklin, 1783 “They who can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety.” BF, 1759
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I'm a foolhardy person that will apply Windows 10 updates when they come out. Sometimes they are little patchy things and sometimes whompers. I have always had my laptop set to generate dump files, do not turn off power to usb devices, etc. So this morning, came downstairs to be greeted by a BSOD. So, I reboot, go look for the DMP file. Not there. Hmm, check my system protection settings (you know the very useful system restore?) - disabled. On a whim, checked my power settings - all of my USB devices will now be managed. This is bad, because I have many usb devices that I use to talk to embedded hardware. I know I have turned off this setting. Any of you seen the same behavior? I think I'm losing it.
Charlie Gilley <italic>Stuck in a dysfunctional matrix from which I must escape... "Where liberty dwells, there is my country." B. Franklin, 1783 “They who can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety.” BF, 1759
Yeah, I've seen resets like that; I understand that it's frustrating for some people, but for a lot of the "regular" people out there, it's a safety-net: no strange old settings being dragged over to an updated core which may not need them -- or may even break with them. Does make one wish for a power-toggle like "keep my tweaks -- I accept responsibility if they cause issues".
------------------------------------------------ If you say that getting the money is the most important thing You will spend your life completely wasting your time You will be doing things you don't like doing In order to go on living That is, to go on doing things you don't like doing Which is stupid. - Alan Watts https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-gXTZM\_uPMY
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I'm a foolhardy person that will apply Windows 10 updates when they come out. Sometimes they are little patchy things and sometimes whompers. I have always had my laptop set to generate dump files, do not turn off power to usb devices, etc. So this morning, came downstairs to be greeted by a BSOD. So, I reboot, go look for the DMP file. Not there. Hmm, check my system protection settings (you know the very useful system restore?) - disabled. On a whim, checked my power settings - all of my USB devices will now be managed. This is bad, because I have many usb devices that I use to talk to embedded hardware. I know I have turned off this setting. Any of you seen the same behavior? I think I'm losing it.
Charlie Gilley <italic>Stuck in a dysfunctional matrix from which I must escape... "Where liberty dwells, there is my country." B. Franklin, 1783 “They who can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety.” BF, 1759
The operative word there is 'laptop'. Windows assumes you want low power on a laptop; and they do default back to enhanced power saving after some updates. It's not unreasonable though, the point of a laptop is to provide mobile computing, not act as a static server. IMO applying updates is sensible, using a laptop to run 24/7 systems is where you have gone wrong; use 'tin', ideally with a server OS.
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The setting that most often fixes problems like this is "Use Linux instead of Windows 10."
".45 ACP - because shooting twice is just silly" - JSOP, 2010
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You can never have too much ammo - unless you're swimming, or on fire. - JSOP, 2010
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When you pry the gun from my cold dead hands, be careful - the barrel will be very hot. - JSOP, 2013That's what one of my peers said when I got one recently. It seems about a recent update. But I am still too attached to Windows. I actually have a dual boot with MX Linux, which I haven't actually used, WSL2 is probably putting the nail on that coffin.
To alcohol! The cause of, and solution to, all of life's problems - Homer Simpson ---- Our heads are round so our thoughts can change direction - Francis Picabia
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The operative word there is 'laptop'. Windows assumes you want low power on a laptop; and they do default back to enhanced power saving after some updates. It's not unreasonable though, the point of a laptop is to provide mobile computing, not act as a static server. IMO applying updates is sensible, using a laptop to run 24/7 systems is where you have gone wrong; use 'tin', ideally with a server OS.
MS making a decision based on the presence or absence of a battery (or whatever factor Win10 uses to decide what is a “laptop”) is wrong. Choosing to use a laptop like a desktop or even server should be left to the admin/user, not to Win10 updates, and user config choices should not be changed. If MS introduces some new setting and needs to choose an initial value, and bases that choice on what it thinks the machine’s role is, that’s not ideal, but understandable. JohnnyCee
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I'm a foolhardy person that will apply Windows 10 updates when they come out. Sometimes they are little patchy things and sometimes whompers. I have always had my laptop set to generate dump files, do not turn off power to usb devices, etc. So this morning, came downstairs to be greeted by a BSOD. So, I reboot, go look for the DMP file. Not there. Hmm, check my system protection settings (you know the very useful system restore?) - disabled. On a whim, checked my power settings - all of my USB devices will now be managed. This is bad, because I have many usb devices that I use to talk to embedded hardware. I know I have turned off this setting. Any of you seen the same behavior? I think I'm losing it.
Charlie Gilley <italic>Stuck in a dysfunctional matrix from which I must escape... "Where liberty dwells, there is my country." B. Franklin, 1783 “They who can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety.” BF, 1759
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I'm a foolhardy person that will apply Windows 10 updates when they come out. Sometimes they are little patchy things and sometimes whompers. I have always had my laptop set to generate dump files, do not turn off power to usb devices, etc. So this morning, came downstairs to be greeted by a BSOD. So, I reboot, go look for the DMP file. Not there. Hmm, check my system protection settings (you know the very useful system restore?) - disabled. On a whim, checked my power settings - all of my USB devices will now be managed. This is bad, because I have many usb devices that I use to talk to embedded hardware. I know I have turned off this setting. Any of you seen the same behavior? I think I'm losing it.
Charlie Gilley <italic>Stuck in a dysfunctional matrix from which I must escape... "Where liberty dwells, there is my country." B. Franklin, 1783 “They who can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety.” BF, 1759
You're not, MS will overwrite your setting during updates, usually major updates, because of changes they make on the back end. Similar to how Google will automatically log you in to chrome and track you if you log in to youtube or any other google affiliated / owned website. You just have to trust they are doing what's best for you. /s
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The operative word there is 'laptop'. Windows assumes you want low power on a laptop; and they do default back to enhanced power saving after some updates. It's not unreasonable though, the point of a laptop is to provide mobile computing, not act as a static server. IMO applying updates is sensible, using a laptop to run 24/7 systems is where you have gone wrong; use 'tin', ideally with a server OS.
It is absolutely unreasonable. If I explicitly change a setting, there is no way that an "update" should change that setting back. At the very, very least if MS are going to do this sort of thing during an update, they have a responsibility to clearly identify to the user exactly what setting have been modified. OK, it may be gobbledygook so some users, but to those who've gone to the trouble of using the functionality MS have provided to "tweak" their system's settings, it could save a huge amount of time and stress. If MS don't like users making certain configuration changes, they should never have provided that option in the first place.
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I'm a foolhardy person that will apply Windows 10 updates when they come out. Sometimes they are little patchy things and sometimes whompers. I have always had my laptop set to generate dump files, do not turn off power to usb devices, etc. So this morning, came downstairs to be greeted by a BSOD. So, I reboot, go look for the DMP file. Not there. Hmm, check my system protection settings (you know the very useful system restore?) - disabled. On a whim, checked my power settings - all of my USB devices will now be managed. This is bad, because I have many usb devices that I use to talk to embedded hardware. I know I have turned off this setting. Any of you seen the same behavior? I think I'm losing it.
Charlie Gilley <italic>Stuck in a dysfunctional matrix from which I must escape... "Where liberty dwells, there is my country." B. Franklin, 1783 “They who can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety.” BF, 1759
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I'm a foolhardy person that will apply Windows 10 updates when they come out. Sometimes they are little patchy things and sometimes whompers. I have always had my laptop set to generate dump files, do not turn off power to usb devices, etc. So this morning, came downstairs to be greeted by a BSOD. So, I reboot, go look for the DMP file. Not there. Hmm, check my system protection settings (you know the very useful system restore?) - disabled. On a whim, checked my power settings - all of my USB devices will now be managed. This is bad, because I have many usb devices that I use to talk to embedded hardware. I know I have turned off this setting. Any of you seen the same behavior? I think I'm losing it.
Charlie Gilley <italic>Stuck in a dysfunctional matrix from which I must escape... "Where liberty dwells, there is my country." B. Franklin, 1783 “They who can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety.” BF, 1759
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I'm a foolhardy person that will apply Windows 10 updates when they come out. Sometimes they are little patchy things and sometimes whompers. I have always had my laptop set to generate dump files, do not turn off power to usb devices, etc. So this morning, came downstairs to be greeted by a BSOD. So, I reboot, go look for the DMP file. Not there. Hmm, check my system protection settings (you know the very useful system restore?) - disabled. On a whim, checked my power settings - all of my USB devices will now be managed. This is bad, because I have many usb devices that I use to talk to embedded hardware. I know I have turned off this setting. Any of you seen the same behavior? I think I'm losing it.
Charlie Gilley <italic>Stuck in a dysfunctional matrix from which I must escape... "Where liberty dwells, there is my country." B. Franklin, 1783 “They who can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety.” BF, 1759
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I'm a foolhardy person that will apply Windows 10 updates when they come out. Sometimes they are little patchy things and sometimes whompers. I have always had my laptop set to generate dump files, do not turn off power to usb devices, etc. So this morning, came downstairs to be greeted by a BSOD. So, I reboot, go look for the DMP file. Not there. Hmm, check my system protection settings (you know the very useful system restore?) - disabled. On a whim, checked my power settings - all of my USB devices will now be managed. This is bad, because I have many usb devices that I use to talk to embedded hardware. I know I have turned off this setting. Any of you seen the same behavior? I think I'm losing it.
Charlie Gilley <italic>Stuck in a dysfunctional matrix from which I must escape... "Where liberty dwells, there is my country." B. Franklin, 1783 “They who can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety.” BF, 1759
This is a problem I manage routinely, since I do all of the installers for our products. We use a USB dongle to control feature access. Beginning with Windows 7 we had problems with it powering-off the dongle, since we only accessed it every five minutes. The problem was rather ridiculous in any case, since the product runs in an industrial PC with permanently connected power. The solution was to have our installer turn off power management for the device.
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The setting that most often fixes problems like this is "Use Linux instead of Windows 10."
".45 ACP - because shooting twice is just silly" - JSOP, 2010
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You can never have too much ammo - unless you're swimming, or on fire. - JSOP, 2010
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When you pry the gun from my cold dead hands, be careful - the barrel will be very hot. - JSOP, 2013For some people there is nothing better than wasting the questioner's time!
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:) technically I disagree. A full on rant would have me yelling at my computer as I type the message. I declared it a semi-rant as I was actually asking for any other users seeing this. But okay... :laugh:
Charlie Gilley <italic>Stuck in a dysfunctional matrix from which I must escape... "Where liberty dwells, there is my country." B. Franklin, 1783 “They who can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety.” BF, 1759
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For some people there is nothing better than wasting the questioner's time!
It is the lounge after all... I expect nothing less.
Charlie Gilley <italic>Stuck in a dysfunctional matrix from which I must escape... "Where liberty dwells, there is my country." B. Franklin, 1783 “They who can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety.” BF, 1759
