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  • pkfoxP pkfox

    Which was probably the one before - I must have it installed and got away with it - there again I don't share folders on my main pc Isn't it time for oi Greg Utas ?

    "We can't stop here - this is bat country" - Hunter S Thompson - RIP

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    Nor do I - this is a Seagate Black Armour 16TB NAS that I keep "shared" stuff and hourly backups on. What version does Winver say you are running.

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      Nor do I - this is a Seagate Black Armour 16TB NAS that I keep "shared" stuff and hourly backups on. What version does Winver say you are running.

      "I have no idea what I did, but I'm taking full credit for it." - ThisOldTony "Common sense is so rare these days, it should be classified as a super power" - Random T-shirt AntiTwitter: @DalekDave is now a follower!

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      1909(OS Build 18363.959)

      "We can't stop here - this is bat country" - Hunter S Thompson - RIP

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        1909(OS Build 18363.959)

        "We can't stop here - this is bat country" - Hunter S Thompson - RIP

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        OriginalGriff
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        Yep. That's the one I just rolled back to. 2004 is the latest update, and that's the one that stomped on my NAS connections.

        "I have no idea what I did, but I'm taking full credit for it." - ThisOldTony "Common sense is so rare these days, it should be classified as a super power" - Random T-shirt AntiTwitter: @DalekDave is now a follower!

        "I have no idea what I did, but I'm taking full credit for it." - ThisOldTony
        "Common sense is so rare these days, it should be classified as a super power" - Random T-shirt

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        • OriginalGriffO OriginalGriff

          Installed yesterday on my desktop, and it looks fine - until I try to work on it this morning and find it no longer recognises my NAS exists, much less has shares. "You need permission to access this resource" for mapped drives that worked fine yesterday, and which work fine on my 1909 build Surface. OK ... revert to previous version ... come on MS, I thought you'd fixed this! Didn't this happen back in 2017 as well? [edit] Reverted to 1909 - didn't take as long as I thought it might , less than 5 minutes. And ... I have all shares back. FES, MS ... :sigh: [/edit]

          "I have no idea what I did, but I'm taking full credit for it." - ThisOldTony "Common sense is so rare these days, it should be classified as a super power" - Random T-shirt AntiTwitter: @DalekDave is now a follower!

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          Mike Hankey
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          10 has a lot of nice features but I get tired of looking at the wait I'm busy spinner. Damn I want 7 back.

          I'm not sure how many cookies it makes to be happy, but so far it's not 27. JaxCoder.com

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          • OriginalGriffO OriginalGriff

            Installed yesterday on my desktop, and it looks fine - until I try to work on it this morning and find it no longer recognises my NAS exists, much less has shares. "You need permission to access this resource" for mapped drives that worked fine yesterday, and which work fine on my 1909 build Surface. OK ... revert to previous version ... come on MS, I thought you'd fixed this! Didn't this happen back in 2017 as well? [edit] Reverted to 1909 - didn't take as long as I thought it might , less than 5 minutes. And ... I have all shares back. FES, MS ... :sigh: [/edit]

            "I have no idea what I did, but I'm taking full credit for it." - ThisOldTony "Common sense is so rare these days, it should be classified as a super power" - Random T-shirt AntiTwitter: @DalekDave is now a follower!

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            One might guess that the MS developers have their priorities set by the lawyers. 1. Make it secure 2. Make it more secure. 3. Don't let it violate any copyrights 4. Make sure it lets mother know of any anomalies. 5. etc. 73. make it usable. BTW: an always-on backup device is not a backup against malware. :) I run W10 in virtual machines and keep the NIC off until I need it. Easy to backup, just copy the files from time to time. My surveillance camera systems are still on W7. Would you believe they rebooted to accommodate the "new Edge", tada. I thought updates were a thing of the past.

            If you can keep your head while those about you are losing theirs, perhaps you don't understand the situation.

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            • OriginalGriffO OriginalGriff

              Installed yesterday on my desktop, and it looks fine - until I try to work on it this morning and find it no longer recognises my NAS exists, much less has shares. "You need permission to access this resource" for mapped drives that worked fine yesterday, and which work fine on my 1909 build Surface. OK ... revert to previous version ... come on MS, I thought you'd fixed this! Didn't this happen back in 2017 as well? [edit] Reverted to 1909 - didn't take as long as I thought it might , less than 5 minutes. And ... I have all shares back. FES, MS ... :sigh: [/edit]

              "I have no idea what I did, but I'm taking full credit for it." - ThisOldTony "Common sense is so rare these days, it should be classified as a super power" - Random T-shirt AntiTwitter: @DalekDave is now a follower!

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              Rage
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              Did not know they had a Win10 version already back in 2004. Maybe you should try the latest 2020 version.

              Do not escape reality : improve reality !

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              • OriginalGriffO OriginalGriff

                Installed yesterday on my desktop, and it looks fine - until I try to work on it this morning and find it no longer recognises my NAS exists, much less has shares. "You need permission to access this resource" for mapped drives that worked fine yesterday, and which work fine on my 1909 build Surface. OK ... revert to previous version ... come on MS, I thought you'd fixed this! Didn't this happen back in 2017 as well? [edit] Reverted to 1909 - didn't take as long as I thought it might , less than 5 minutes. And ... I have all shares back. FES, MS ... :sigh: [/edit]

                "I have no idea what I did, but I'm taking full credit for it." - ThisOldTony "Common sense is so rare these days, it should be classified as a super power" - Random T-shirt AntiTwitter: @DalekDave is now a follower!

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                Check to see if your NAS is using the deprecated SMB 1.0[^] It's impossible to make the old protocol secure that's why it was dropped. Best Wishes, -David Delaune

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                • OriginalGriffO OriginalGriff

                  Installed yesterday on my desktop, and it looks fine - until I try to work on it this morning and find it no longer recognises my NAS exists, much less has shares. "You need permission to access this resource" for mapped drives that worked fine yesterday, and which work fine on my 1909 build Surface. OK ... revert to previous version ... come on MS, I thought you'd fixed this! Didn't this happen back in 2017 as well? [edit] Reverted to 1909 - didn't take as long as I thought it might , less than 5 minutes. And ... I have all shares back. FES, MS ... :sigh: [/edit]

                  "I have no idea what I did, but I'm taking full credit for it." - ThisOldTony "Common sense is so rare these days, it should be classified as a super power" - Random T-shirt AntiTwitter: @DalekDave is now a follower!

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                  dandy72
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                  I wouldn't necessarily blame 2004 for this. Long before it came out, every once in a while, Win10 would get into a state where I lose connections to shares on other machines for no obvious reason. Most of the time a reboot fixes it immediately. Shares that I do know worked the day before, or even just a few hours before, and that still work from other machines. When that happens, and I'm not in a position to reboot, accessing the share (with Explorer or Start/Run) using the remote system's IP instead of its name works. As in, \\\192.168.1.50 rather than \\\MyNasName. Once I can get connected to that (you might get prompted for credentials), I can access the share as \\\192.168.1.50\c$ or \\\192.168.1.50\ShareName. And pinging the machine by name still resolves as the correct address, so it's not a name resolution thing. I'd be curious to know whether you're seeing the same thing.

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                  • OriginalGriffO OriginalGriff

                    Installed yesterday on my desktop, and it looks fine - until I try to work on it this morning and find it no longer recognises my NAS exists, much less has shares. "You need permission to access this resource" for mapped drives that worked fine yesterday, and which work fine on my 1909 build Surface. OK ... revert to previous version ... come on MS, I thought you'd fixed this! Didn't this happen back in 2017 as well? [edit] Reverted to 1909 - didn't take as long as I thought it might , less than 5 minutes. And ... I have all shares back. FES, MS ... :sigh: [/edit]

                    "I have no idea what I did, but I'm taking full credit for it." - ThisOldTony "Common sense is so rare these days, it should be classified as a super power" - Random T-shirt AntiTwitter: @DalekDave is now a follower!

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                    GuyThiebaut
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                    I am holding off 2004 until either compelled to or until Microsoft withdraw it and release something that won't break my machines.

                    “That which can be asserted without evidence, can be dismissed without evidence.”

                    ― Christopher Hitchens

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                      I am holding off 2004 until either compelled to or until Microsoft withdraw it and release something that won't break my machines.

                      “That which can be asserted without evidence, can be dismissed without evidence.”

                      ― Christopher Hitchens

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                      Be ready to wait a long time...I'm not always convinced any newer release these days is necessarily better than any previous version. At this stage in its lifetime, you'd think Windows had reached a point where things would improve. I'd be perfectly okay with MS spending a full year not adding any new "feature" nobody asked for, and dedicating the internal team's time to do nothing but fix what's known to be broken. The fact that they keep introducing new icons, but break basic functionality with every new release, tells me they've run out of ideas anyway. How one affects the other...I can only speculate.

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                        Be ready to wait a long time...I'm not always convinced any newer release these days is necessarily better than any previous version. At this stage in its lifetime, you'd think Windows had reached a point where things would improve. I'd be perfectly okay with MS spending a full year not adding any new "feature" nobody asked for, and dedicating the internal team's time to do nothing but fix what's known to be broken. The fact that they keep introducing new icons, but break basic functionality with every new release, tells me they've run out of ideas anyway. How one affects the other...I can only speculate.

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                        They are hoping the icons gain self-awareness, and then fix the bugs for them.

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                        • OriginalGriffO OriginalGriff

                          Installed yesterday on my desktop, and it looks fine - until I try to work on it this morning and find it no longer recognises my NAS exists, much less has shares. "You need permission to access this resource" for mapped drives that worked fine yesterday, and which work fine on my 1909 build Surface. OK ... revert to previous version ... come on MS, I thought you'd fixed this! Didn't this happen back in 2017 as well? [edit] Reverted to 1909 - didn't take as long as I thought it might , less than 5 minutes. And ... I have all shares back. FES, MS ... :sigh: [/edit]

                          "I have no idea what I did, but I'm taking full credit for it." - ThisOldTony "Common sense is so rare these days, it should be classified as a super power" - Random T-shirt AntiTwitter: @DalekDave is now a follower!

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                          Rick York
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                          I seem to remember an update a few revs back had a problem with network shares. The fix was to load something into the registry. Could this be the same issue returning to haunt us?

                          "They have a consciousness, they have a life, they have a soul! Damn you! Let the rabbits wear glasses! Save our brothers! Can I get an amen?"

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                            Be ready to wait a long time...I'm not always convinced any newer release these days is necessarily better than any previous version. At this stage in its lifetime, you'd think Windows had reached a point where things would improve. I'd be perfectly okay with MS spending a full year not adding any new "feature" nobody asked for, and dedicating the internal team's time to do nothing but fix what's known to be broken. The fact that they keep introducing new icons, but break basic functionality with every new release, tells me they've run out of ideas anyway. How one affects the other...I can only speculate.

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                            GuyThiebaut
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                            Sadly you are probably going to turn out to be correct. Around 10 or more years ago there was a similar update which broke a lot of machines. When I am feeling lucky I will take an image and give it a go, I have the sense that it will be another few months until I feel lucky. As for breaking Windows when they just supply an icon update - I am not surprised. I work on a huge complex series of tightly coupled codebases and it's not rare for someone to break some part of the system by a seemingly unrelated change. Refactoring code pretty much always breaks something. What Microsoft obviously don't have are comprehensive unit or user tests. Which does not make them too different to many other software development companies.

                            “That which can be asserted without evidence, can be dismissed without evidence.”

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                            • OriginalGriffO OriginalGriff

                              Installed yesterday on my desktop, and it looks fine - until I try to work on it this morning and find it no longer recognises my NAS exists, much less has shares. "You need permission to access this resource" for mapped drives that worked fine yesterday, and which work fine on my 1909 build Surface. OK ... revert to previous version ... come on MS, I thought you'd fixed this! Didn't this happen back in 2017 as well? [edit] Reverted to 1909 - didn't take as long as I thought it might , less than 5 minutes. And ... I have all shares back. FES, MS ... :sigh: [/edit]

                              "I have no idea what I did, but I'm taking full credit for it." - ThisOldTony "Common sense is so rare these days, it should be classified as a super power" - Random T-shirt AntiTwitter: @DalekDave is now a follower!

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                              Cp Coder
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                              When I installed 2004, no network sharing worked, but then I discovered sharing was disabled by default. I enabled network discovery & sharing and that solved the issue.

                              Get me coffee and no one gets hurt!

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                              • OriginalGriffO OriginalGriff

                                Installed yesterday on my desktop, and it looks fine - until I try to work on it this morning and find it no longer recognises my NAS exists, much less has shares. "You need permission to access this resource" for mapped drives that worked fine yesterday, and which work fine on my 1909 build Surface. OK ... revert to previous version ... come on MS, I thought you'd fixed this! Didn't this happen back in 2017 as well? [edit] Reverted to 1909 - didn't take as long as I thought it might , less than 5 minutes. And ... I have all shares back. FES, MS ... :sigh: [/edit]

                                "I have no idea what I did, but I'm taking full credit for it." - ThisOldTony "Common sense is so rare these days, it should be classified as a super power" - Random T-shirt AntiTwitter: @DalekDave is now a follower!

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                                Automatic updates on my bread-winning machine are turned off. And I'm now running Internet Explorer on my Surface, 'cause the "new" Edge can't.

                                It was only in wine that he laid down no limit for himself, but he did not allow himself to be confused by it. ― Confucian Analects: Rules of Confucius about his food

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                                • OriginalGriffO OriginalGriff

                                  Installed yesterday on my desktop, and it looks fine - until I try to work on it this morning and find it no longer recognises my NAS exists, much less has shares. "You need permission to access this resource" for mapped drives that worked fine yesterday, and which work fine on my 1909 build Surface. OK ... revert to previous version ... come on MS, I thought you'd fixed this! Didn't this happen back in 2017 as well? [edit] Reverted to 1909 - didn't take as long as I thought it might , less than 5 minutes. And ... I have all shares back. FES, MS ... :sigh: [/edit]

                                  "I have no idea what I did, but I'm taking full credit for it." - ThisOldTony "Common sense is so rare these days, it should be classified as a super power" - Random T-shirt AntiTwitter: @DalekDave is now a follower!

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                                  Padanian
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                                  For every single windows version since W98 there was somebody complaining about updates. If MS listened to customers, we would still be using DOS.

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                                    For every single windows version since W98 there was somebody complaining about updates. If MS listened to customers, we would still be using DOS.

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                                    OriginalGriff
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                                    Or ... they might fix bugs instead of adding features and papering over the cracks? When an update introduces breaking changes, it's pretty understandable that people comment / warn / complain.

                                    "I have no idea what I did, but I'm taking full credit for it." - ThisOldTony "Common sense is so rare these days, it should be classified as a super power" - Random T-shirt AntiTwitter: @DalekDave is now a follower!

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                                    • OriginalGriffO OriginalGriff

                                      Or ... they might fix bugs instead of adding features and papering over the cracks? When an update introduces breaking changes, it's pretty understandable that people comment / warn / complain.

                                      "I have no idea what I did, but I'm taking full credit for it." - ThisOldTony "Common sense is so rare these days, it should be classified as a super power" - Random T-shirt AntiTwitter: @DalekDave is now a follower!

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                                      Padanian
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                                      They are fixing bugs, just not the bugs the users are affected by.

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                                        Installed yesterday on my desktop, and it looks fine - until I try to work on it this morning and find it no longer recognises my NAS exists, much less has shares. "You need permission to access this resource" for mapped drives that worked fine yesterday, and which work fine on my 1909 build Surface. OK ... revert to previous version ... come on MS, I thought you'd fixed this! Didn't this happen back in 2017 as well? [edit] Reverted to 1909 - didn't take as long as I thought it might , less than 5 minutes. And ... I have all shares back. FES, MS ... :sigh: [/edit]

                                        "I have no idea what I did, but I'm taking full credit for it." - ThisOldTony "Common sense is so rare these days, it should be classified as a super power" - Random T-shirt AntiTwitter: @DalekDave is now a follower!

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                                        OldBikerPete
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                                        I'm still clinging desperately to Windows 7 but I use my laptop with Windows 10 to participate in home schooling for my granddaughter. We do video calls in Messenger accessed by a URL invoked via Chrome browser. Overnight, Windows 10 decided that Chrome is too insecure to be allowed access to the camera which is great to find out at the start of a rigidly scheduled time window for a video call. It took a while to track down where the camera blockage was coming from but installing Messenger and invoking it directly appeased the Microsloth ^%$^%$. OldBikerPete

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                                          One might guess that the MS developers have their priorities set by the lawyers. 1. Make it secure 2. Make it more secure. 3. Don't let it violate any copyrights 4. Make sure it lets mother know of any anomalies. 5. etc. 73. make it usable. BTW: an always-on backup device is not a backup against malware. :) I run W10 in virtual machines and keep the NIC off until I need it. Easy to backup, just copy the files from time to time. My surveillance camera systems are still on W7. Would you believe they rebooted to accommodate the "new Edge", tada. I thought updates were a thing of the past.

                                          If you can keep your head while those about you are losing theirs, perhaps you don't understand the situation.

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                                          Rusty Bullet
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                                          Only two digits in 73. I expected more. Of course 72 is "it's a feature!" and pertains to many things...

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