Memory usage on smartphones ...
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... well, on android smartphones, is getting out of hands ! I think that you need at least decent 32Gb for the OS to run stable with Chrome as a browser, and even 64Gb if you want it to last a bit. My current smartphone is running really well, but has "only" 16Gb memory. 13,8Gb are eaten by Android itself (7Gb) and other mandatory apps from the Google ecosystem which I have no use of (about 7Gb as well). The remaining 2,2Gb are barely sufficient to allow the smartphone to run properly, since android heavily relies on swapping to run. A google play update usually takes up additional 100 to 200Mb, and that happens every other month. At that pace, I can throw away my smartphone in about 4 months due to lack of ROM. :~ (And yes, I moved everything movable to a SD card). I wonder how it is possible that there are still smartphones sold with 8Gb or 16Gb memory, knowing that this is not sufficient to even use the bare smartphone after a few months... And the fact that everything relies on built-in memory instead of SD is just insane. Now that I think about it, it is actually similar to a laptop I bought for my son last year with a 128Gb SSD with the OS and a 1Tb disk for data. Windows takes up 123Gb (!!!) by now on the SSD drive, and since some programs insist on putting at least minimum installation files under program files on that same disk, I am now more or less forced to upgrade this disk to a 500Gb SSD. :sigh:
Mrs Wife has a $100 LG Smart Phone. It started to complain about memory a year or so ago. If I recall, it came with 4GB internal and I doubled it with a handy MicroSD card I had around. She also did some deleting of old data. It sees the card and on top of that we made more room. Yet . . . it still says memory is low. It makes me think of that it's a version of that sleazy apple phone-slow-down in an update. Just make the phone demand upgrades that require a new phone.
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OK, nevermind. I thought Nokia had some own os of some sorts (Windows phone ?).
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Interesting (I have 8.0.0). And since there is absolutely no details as to what "Service Google Play" exactly is, no way to check what is eating up that much space on my phone :sigh: I also noticed that the YouTube app takes up 440Mb after empyting the cache. I do not even use it and cannot be uninstalled (since part of Google). :omg: Damn.
Google play services are all the backend APIs that sit between the OS and apps. They were carved out from the OS something like a decade ago so that your phone wasn't frozen on the API level it came out with at release; but instead its apps could get most new features added with newer android versions. :cool: Also because taking them out of AOSP meant that Amazon Kindle tablets wouldn't have them, making porting apps harder. :rolleyes:
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Google play services are all the backend APIs that sit between the OS and apps. They were carved out from the OS something like a decade ago so that your phone wasn't frozen on the API level it came out with at release; but instead its apps could get most new features added with newer android versions. :cool: Also because taking them out of AOSP meant that Amazon Kindle tablets wouldn't have them, making porting apps harder. :rolleyes:
Did you ever see history portrayed as an old man with a wise brow and pulseless heart, weighing all things in the balance of reason? Is not rather the genius of history like an eternal, imploring maiden, full of fire, with a burning heart and flaming soul, humanly warm and humanly beautiful? --Zachris Topelius Training a telescope on one’s own belly button will only reveal lint. You like that? You go right on staring at it. I prefer looking at galaxies. -- Sarah Hoyt
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OK, nevermind. I thought Nokia had some own os of some sorts (Windows phone ?).
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Here my setup: Android & system 6,8 Gb Services Google play 1,2Gb (cannot remove it) Google play 414Mb (cannot remove it) Google play store 148Mb (cannot remove it) Google 300Mb Maps 200Mb Google Sheets 200Mb (cannot remove it) Gboard 150Mb (cannot remove it) Gmail 116Mb (cannot remove it) Gboard (?) 150Mb (cannot remove it) Drive 100Mb (cannot remove it) Message 100Mb (cannot remove it) Phone 100Mb (cannot remove it) Embedded Texttospeech 80Mb (cannot remove it) etc... All in all, the forced apps eat up to 7Gb.
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... well, on android smartphones, is getting out of hands ! I think that you need at least decent 32Gb for the OS to run stable with Chrome as a browser, and even 64Gb if you want it to last a bit. My current smartphone is running really well, but has "only" 16Gb memory. 13,8Gb are eaten by Android itself (7Gb) and other mandatory apps from the Google ecosystem which I have no use of (about 7Gb as well). The remaining 2,2Gb are barely sufficient to allow the smartphone to run properly, since android heavily relies on swapping to run. A google play update usually takes up additional 100 to 200Mb, and that happens every other month. At that pace, I can throw away my smartphone in about 4 months due to lack of ROM. :~ (And yes, I moved everything movable to a SD card). I wonder how it is possible that there are still smartphones sold with 8Gb or 16Gb memory, knowing that this is not sufficient to even use the bare smartphone after a few months... And the fact that everything relies on built-in memory instead of SD is just insane. Now that I think about it, it is actually similar to a laptop I bought for my son last year with a 128Gb SSD with the OS and a 1Tb disk for data. Windows takes up 123Gb (!!!) by now on the SSD drive, and since some programs insist on putting at least minimum installation files under program files on that same disk, I am now more or less forced to upgrade this disk to a 500Gb SSD. :sigh:
Rage wrote:
Now that I think about it, it is actually similar to a laptop I bought for my son last year with a 128Gb SSD with the OS and a 1Tb disk for data. Windows takes up 123Gb (!!!) by now on the SSD drive,
No way in hell you can attribute all of that to Windows. My first-gen Surface has 128GB *total*, I keep it up to date, it's currently running 2004, and I currently have about 60% of the disk space free. And I know there's a *ton* of crap I could delete if I only bothered.
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Rage wrote:
Now that I think about it, it is actually similar to a laptop I bought for my son last year with a 128Gb SSD with the OS and a 1Tb disk for data. Windows takes up 123Gb (!!!) by now on the SSD drive,
No way in hell you can attribute all of that to Windows. My first-gen Surface has 128GB *total*, I keep it up to date, it's currently running 2004, and I currently have about 60% of the disk space free. And I know there's a *ton* of crap I could delete if I only bothered.
For Windows, "TreeSize" is a nice free application for seeing where the space goes. (There is a pay version too, but the free one is fully satisfactory.) On my plain desktop PC, C:\Windows requires 22.3 GByte. Essentially an all-defaults installation, plus Windows Subsystem for Linux. I could trim it down; several of the optional features I have no need for. Program Files (x86): 14.5 GByte. Program Files: 9.6 GByte. (The latter two will grow significantly quite soon; I reinstalled from scratch recently, and haven't reinstalled all the software yet.)
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Here my setup: Android & system 6,8 Gb Services Google play 1,2Gb (cannot remove it) Google play 414Mb (cannot remove it) Google play store 148Mb (cannot remove it) Google 300Mb Maps 200Mb Google Sheets 200Mb (cannot remove it) Gboard 150Mb (cannot remove it) Gmail 116Mb (cannot remove it) Gboard (?) 150Mb (cannot remove it) Drive 100Mb (cannot remove it) Message 100Mb (cannot remove it) Phone 100Mb (cannot remove it) Embedded Texttospeech 80Mb (cannot remove it) etc... All in all, the forced apps eat up to 7Gb.
Well, in fact you can remove all those non-removable apps except Google Play services (killing them will make your phone unusable), you just need to connect ADB shell to your phone, then you can remove any of those pre-installed apps using pm uninstll -k . Purging cached data for Play services can also help, they usual don't fill all this storage back, not that fast at least
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For Windows, "TreeSize" is a nice free application for seeing where the space goes. (There is a pay version too, but the free one is fully satisfactory.) On my plain desktop PC, C:\Windows requires 22.3 GByte. Essentially an all-defaults installation, plus Windows Subsystem for Linux. I could trim it down; several of the optional features I have no need for. Program Files (x86): 14.5 GByte. Program Files: 9.6 GByte. (The latter two will grow significantly quite soon; I reinstalled from scratch recently, and haven't reinstalled all the software yet.)