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  • J Jeremy Falcon

    Does anyone else think coding interviews are fundamentally broken? So like, literally I've been doing this (programming) my whole life. We can all go through our accolades I'm sure, but suffice it to say I've done some things over the years to help rebuild departments in large corporations to garner the attention of regional VPs, etc. as we all have. But, I say this because, two days ago, I had an interview with Unnamed Company That Rhymes With Acelook. Don't get me wrong, they were super friendly, and it was a great chat. But I was asked questions like... Are you comfortable with writing APIs on the backend? That's a generic question, so of course I say sure. To me this indicates the interviewer doesn't realize the best way to interview. No real probing... just questions like that. Ok, cool. Still was a great, super friendly chat. But, then the tech portion of it came up. I was asked this...

    /* given an array of random numbers, push all the zero's of a given array to the end of the array
    for example, if the given arrays is [1, 9, 8, 4, 0, 0, 2, 7, 0, 6, 0], it should be changed to [1, 9, 8, 4, 2, 7, 6, 0, 0, 0, 0]

    Example:

    Input: [1, 2, 0, 4, 3, 0, 5, 0];
    Output: [1, 2, 4, 3, 5, 0, 0];

    Input: [1, 2, 0, 0, 0, 3, 6];
    Output: [1, 2, 3, 6, 0, 0, 0]; */

    Ok fine... I get how this game works. So, let's get cracking. The first solution I start with used two arrays. Cool, no biggie. But then the interviewer asked for me to do it in-place. Ok, fine. So, I write some code that is like a bubble sort that brute forced it (ie, nested loops). We all know that it sucks to have nested loops. Anyway, the interview was cut short and that was that. I look up the "official" solution online, and it's no better than my first attempt. In fact, my first attempt was quicker due to only one loop. The one I linked to was using two loops that just weren't nested. So, not only did my original solution avoid two loops (using more memory though), but I found a more elegant solution online and I just know if that interview wasn't cut short I could've tried something like this the third go-round...

    void moveZeroes(vector& nums) {
    for (int lastNonZeroFoundAt = 0, cur = 0; cur < nums.size(); cur++) {
    if (nums[cur] != 0) {
    swap(nums[lastNonZeroFoundAt++], nums[cur]);
    }
    }
    }

    But since I didn't try something like this first, I got passed on. D

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    Kornfeld Eliyahu Peter
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    I think after years you become so focused on real problems and real solutions, that such out-of-the-world questions are irritating you so much you not even feel to do a real effort... You take it as an insult to your developer intelligence :laugh:

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    • J Jeremy Falcon

      Does anyone else think coding interviews are fundamentally broken? So like, literally I've been doing this (programming) my whole life. We can all go through our accolades I'm sure, but suffice it to say I've done some things over the years to help rebuild departments in large corporations to garner the attention of regional VPs, etc. as we all have. But, I say this because, two days ago, I had an interview with Unnamed Company That Rhymes With Acelook. Don't get me wrong, they were super friendly, and it was a great chat. But I was asked questions like... Are you comfortable with writing APIs on the backend? That's a generic question, so of course I say sure. To me this indicates the interviewer doesn't realize the best way to interview. No real probing... just questions like that. Ok, cool. Still was a great, super friendly chat. But, then the tech portion of it came up. I was asked this...

      /* given an array of random numbers, push all the zero's of a given array to the end of the array
      for example, if the given arrays is [1, 9, 8, 4, 0, 0, 2, 7, 0, 6, 0], it should be changed to [1, 9, 8, 4, 2, 7, 6, 0, 0, 0, 0]

      Example:

      Input: [1, 2, 0, 4, 3, 0, 5, 0];
      Output: [1, 2, 4, 3, 5, 0, 0];

      Input: [1, 2, 0, 0, 0, 3, 6];
      Output: [1, 2, 3, 6, 0, 0, 0]; */

      Ok fine... I get how this game works. So, let's get cracking. The first solution I start with used two arrays. Cool, no biggie. But then the interviewer asked for me to do it in-place. Ok, fine. So, I write some code that is like a bubble sort that brute forced it (ie, nested loops). We all know that it sucks to have nested loops. Anyway, the interview was cut short and that was that. I look up the "official" solution online, and it's no better than my first attempt. In fact, my first attempt was quicker due to only one loop. The one I linked to was using two loops that just weren't nested. So, not only did my original solution avoid two loops (using more memory though), but I found a more elegant solution online and I just know if that interview wasn't cut short I could've tried something like this the third go-round...

      void moveZeroes(vector& nums) {
      for (int lastNonZeroFoundAt = 0, cur = 0; cur < nums.size(); cur++) {
      if (nums[cur] != 0) {
      swap(nums[lastNonZeroFoundAt++], nums[cur]);
      }
      }
      }

      But since I didn't try something like this first, I got passed on. D

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      Here's the problem: Most people involved in hiring, (HR and managers), wouldn't recognise talent if the candidate had it tattooed across their forehead. So they resort to 'mechanical' methods of selection. If anywhere needs the help of AI, it's recruitment - because the real stuff isn't in abundance!

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      • Kornfeld Eliyahu PeterK Kornfeld Eliyahu Peter

        I think after years you become so focused on real problems and real solutions, that such out-of-the-world questions are irritating you so much you not even feel to do a real effort... You take it as an insult to your developer intelligence :laugh:

        "The only place where Success comes before Work is in the dictionary." Vidal Sassoon, 1928 - 2012

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        Jeremy Falcon
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        I must agree with this sentiment. :thumbsup:

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        • 5 5teveH

          Here's the problem: Most people involved in hiring, (HR and managers), wouldn't recognise talent if the candidate had it tattooed across their forehead. So they resort to 'mechanical' methods of selection. If anywhere needs the help of AI, it's recruitment - because the real stuff isn't in abundance!

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          Jeremy Falcon
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          #23

          This isn't an anti-management or anti-interviewer thing. I've been in management. I've hired people. More developers need to understand the other side of life before casting judgment. Anyway, my recruiter was awesome. The interviewer was great too. Super friendly and knowledgeable. It was a great experience, just broken in the way we go about it.

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          • 5 5teveH

            Here's the problem: Most people involved in hiring, (HR and managers), wouldn't recognise talent if the candidate had it tattooed across their forehead. So they resort to 'mechanical' methods of selection. If anywhere needs the help of AI, it's recruitment - because the real stuff isn't in abundance!

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            Jeremy Falcon
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            Btw, I do agree that a lot of recruiters and HR only go for the buzzword bingo game... but in this instance the recruiter was fantastic.

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            • J jsc42

              I had a similar experience: take a text and embed it in a string with a '*' at char 1 (counting from 1) and a '*' in char 14 with the text in the middle padded (if necessary) with spaces using a language whose only string function was LENGTH. I wrote a one line solution that took a max of 4 comparisons and was told it was wrong. Why? It did not match the question setters solution (which was 12 lines and always used 12 comparisons). As the interviewer said to me "There are two solutions: my way [i.e. his way] and the wrong way".

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              Oh yeah. Everybody who has more than 25 years in programming knows that there is only ONE SOLUTION to every given problem. That's why our job is so easy. We just look up the right solution in our programmers handbook and off we go.... Sarcastic? Who, me? Nooooooooo! :doh:

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              • J Jeremy Falcon

                Does anyone else think coding interviews are fundamentally broken? So like, literally I've been doing this (programming) my whole life. We can all go through our accolades I'm sure, but suffice it to say I've done some things over the years to help rebuild departments in large corporations to garner the attention of regional VPs, etc. as we all have. But, I say this because, two days ago, I had an interview with Unnamed Company That Rhymes With Acelook. Don't get me wrong, they were super friendly, and it was a great chat. But I was asked questions like... Are you comfortable with writing APIs on the backend? That's a generic question, so of course I say sure. To me this indicates the interviewer doesn't realize the best way to interview. No real probing... just questions like that. Ok, cool. Still was a great, super friendly chat. But, then the tech portion of it came up. I was asked this...

                /* given an array of random numbers, push all the zero's of a given array to the end of the array
                for example, if the given arrays is [1, 9, 8, 4, 0, 0, 2, 7, 0, 6, 0], it should be changed to [1, 9, 8, 4, 2, 7, 6, 0, 0, 0, 0]

                Example:

                Input: [1, 2, 0, 4, 3, 0, 5, 0];
                Output: [1, 2, 4, 3, 5, 0, 0];

                Input: [1, 2, 0, 0, 0, 3, 6];
                Output: [1, 2, 3, 6, 0, 0, 0]; */

                Ok fine... I get how this game works. So, let's get cracking. The first solution I start with used two arrays. Cool, no biggie. But then the interviewer asked for me to do it in-place. Ok, fine. So, I write some code that is like a bubble sort that brute forced it (ie, nested loops). We all know that it sucks to have nested loops. Anyway, the interview was cut short and that was that. I look up the "official" solution online, and it's no better than my first attempt. In fact, my first attempt was quicker due to only one loop. The one I linked to was using two loops that just weren't nested. So, not only did my original solution avoid two loops (using more memory though), but I found a more elegant solution online and I just know if that interview wasn't cut short I could've tried something like this the third go-round...

                void moveZeroes(vector& nums) {
                for (int lastNonZeroFoundAt = 0, cur = 0; cur < nums.size(); cur++) {
                if (nums[cur] != 0) {
                swap(nums[lastNonZeroFoundAt++], nums[cur]);
                }
                }
                }

                But since I didn't try something like this first, I got passed on. D

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                Jeremy Falcon wrote:

                Anyone else agree this is fundamentally broken?

                Yes. For experienced folks, just a problem solving should not be the one to decide. It could also be an off day not just unable to answer exactly as the interviewer is expecting.

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                • J Jeremy Falcon

                  Does anyone else think coding interviews are fundamentally broken? So like, literally I've been doing this (programming) my whole life. We can all go through our accolades I'm sure, but suffice it to say I've done some things over the years to help rebuild departments in large corporations to garner the attention of regional VPs, etc. as we all have. But, I say this because, two days ago, I had an interview with Unnamed Company That Rhymes With Acelook. Don't get me wrong, they were super friendly, and it was a great chat. But I was asked questions like... Are you comfortable with writing APIs on the backend? That's a generic question, so of course I say sure. To me this indicates the interviewer doesn't realize the best way to interview. No real probing... just questions like that. Ok, cool. Still was a great, super friendly chat. But, then the tech portion of it came up. I was asked this...

                  /* given an array of random numbers, push all the zero's of a given array to the end of the array
                  for example, if the given arrays is [1, 9, 8, 4, 0, 0, 2, 7, 0, 6, 0], it should be changed to [1, 9, 8, 4, 2, 7, 6, 0, 0, 0, 0]

                  Example:

                  Input: [1, 2, 0, 4, 3, 0, 5, 0];
                  Output: [1, 2, 4, 3, 5, 0, 0];

                  Input: [1, 2, 0, 0, 0, 3, 6];
                  Output: [1, 2, 3, 6, 0, 0, 0]; */

                  Ok fine... I get how this game works. So, let's get cracking. The first solution I start with used two arrays. Cool, no biggie. But then the interviewer asked for me to do it in-place. Ok, fine. So, I write some code that is like a bubble sort that brute forced it (ie, nested loops). We all know that it sucks to have nested loops. Anyway, the interview was cut short and that was that. I look up the "official" solution online, and it's no better than my first attempt. In fact, my first attempt was quicker due to only one loop. The one I linked to was using two loops that just weren't nested. So, not only did my original solution avoid two loops (using more memory though), but I found a more elegant solution online and I just know if that interview wasn't cut short I could've tried something like this the third go-round...

                  void moveZeroes(vector& nums) {
                  for (int lastNonZeroFoundAt = 0, cur = 0; cur < nums.size(); cur++) {
                  if (nums[cur] != 0) {
                  swap(nums[lastNonZeroFoundAt++], nums[cur]);
                  }
                  }
                  }

                  But since I didn't try something like this first, I got passed on. D

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                  To be fair, putting arbitrary things at the bottom of the pile is a pretty important task for companies these days so it's no wonder they want to know you're good at it.

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                  • J Jeremy Falcon

                    Does anyone else think coding interviews are fundamentally broken? So like, literally I've been doing this (programming) my whole life. We can all go through our accolades I'm sure, but suffice it to say I've done some things over the years to help rebuild departments in large corporations to garner the attention of regional VPs, etc. as we all have. But, I say this because, two days ago, I had an interview with Unnamed Company That Rhymes With Acelook. Don't get me wrong, they were super friendly, and it was a great chat. But I was asked questions like... Are you comfortable with writing APIs on the backend? That's a generic question, so of course I say sure. To me this indicates the interviewer doesn't realize the best way to interview. No real probing... just questions like that. Ok, cool. Still was a great, super friendly chat. But, then the tech portion of it came up. I was asked this...

                    /* given an array of random numbers, push all the zero's of a given array to the end of the array
                    for example, if the given arrays is [1, 9, 8, 4, 0, 0, 2, 7, 0, 6, 0], it should be changed to [1, 9, 8, 4, 2, 7, 6, 0, 0, 0, 0]

                    Example:

                    Input: [1, 2, 0, 4, 3, 0, 5, 0];
                    Output: [1, 2, 4, 3, 5, 0, 0];

                    Input: [1, 2, 0, 0, 0, 3, 6];
                    Output: [1, 2, 3, 6, 0, 0, 0]; */

                    Ok fine... I get how this game works. So, let's get cracking. The first solution I start with used two arrays. Cool, no biggie. But then the interviewer asked for me to do it in-place. Ok, fine. So, I write some code that is like a bubble sort that brute forced it (ie, nested loops). We all know that it sucks to have nested loops. Anyway, the interview was cut short and that was that. I look up the "official" solution online, and it's no better than my first attempt. In fact, my first attempt was quicker due to only one loop. The one I linked to was using two loops that just weren't nested. So, not only did my original solution avoid two loops (using more memory though), but I found a more elegant solution online and I just know if that interview wasn't cut short I could've tried something like this the third go-round...

                    void moveZeroes(vector& nums) {
                    for (int lastNonZeroFoundAt = 0, cur = 0; cur < nums.size(); cur++) {
                    if (nums[cur] != 0) {
                    swap(nums[lastNonZeroFoundAt++], nums[cur]);
                    }
                    }
                    }

                    But since I didn't try something like this first, I got passed on. D

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                    Jeremy Falcon wrote:

                    Anyone else agree this is fundamentally broken?

                    Yes. The answer that I gave some folks a couple years ago was "Please don't ask me questions I can google the answer for." There was a few seconds of silence. The question they asked me was something along the lines of "what's an abstract class?" Seriously? I've been programming for 40+ years and you ask me that??? Marc

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                      To be fair, putting arbitrary things at the bottom of the pile is a pretty important task for companies these days so it's no wonder they want to know you're good at it.

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                      Jeremy Falcon
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                      True... I could see that for sorting say notifications on the frontend, but 9 times out of 10 you'd use a method like Array.protoype.sort() rather than roll your own. Point being, for most LOB applications... we don't have to re-invent the wheel.

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                      • M Marc Clifton

                        Jeremy Falcon wrote:

                        Anyone else agree this is fundamentally broken?

                        Yes. The answer that I gave some folks a couple years ago was "Please don't ask me questions I can google the answer for." There was a few seconds of silence. The question they asked me was something along the lines of "what's an abstract class?" Seriously? I've been programming for 40+ years and you ask me that??? Marc

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                        Marc Clifton wrote:

                        The question they asked me was something along the lines of "what's an abstract class?" Seriously? I've been programming for 40+ years and you ask me that???

                        Ha ha ha ha ha ha. I laugh because I know developers who have asked a question like that way more than once. Interviewing is a bit of a skill unfortunately. It's not something that just naturally comes to people simply because they learn to program. Granted, it's important you are technical in one IMO, but you gotta learn the soft skills too.

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                          yep, I was once asked a question of if you can only have two variables how do you switch their values. I was in a peevy mood(due to idiot I was interviewing with) and didn't really think before I answered. But I essentially said never happens in real life and why the heck do you want too and dude it really isn't possible. Once I thought about it for a second(a week later) I understood it was just a theoretical question. But hell. a = 15 b = 5 a= a+b b = a-b a = a-b But would that ever happen in a real life work environment?

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                          There is an old trick from days when memory sizes were counted in bytes. (No I did not figure it out and had to be taught it.) Use three exclusive or operations. This will avoid the overflow issue of using add and subtract. For example:

                          a = 15
                          b = 5
                          a = a^b
                          b = b^a
                          a = a^b

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                            Jeremy Falcon wrote:

                            Anyone else agree this is fundamentally broken?

                            Yes. The answer that I gave some folks a couple years ago was "Please don't ask me questions I can google the answer for." There was a few seconds of silence. The question they asked me was something along the lines of "what's an abstract class?" Seriously? I've been programming for 40+ years and you ask me that??? Marc

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                            Quote:

                            Please don't ask me questions I can google the answer for

                            :-) great line idd ...

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                            • J Jeremy Falcon

                              Does anyone else think coding interviews are fundamentally broken? So like, literally I've been doing this (programming) my whole life. We can all go through our accolades I'm sure, but suffice it to say I've done some things over the years to help rebuild departments in large corporations to garner the attention of regional VPs, etc. as we all have. But, I say this because, two days ago, I had an interview with Unnamed Company That Rhymes With Acelook. Don't get me wrong, they were super friendly, and it was a great chat. But I was asked questions like... Are you comfortable with writing APIs on the backend? That's a generic question, so of course I say sure. To me this indicates the interviewer doesn't realize the best way to interview. No real probing... just questions like that. Ok, cool. Still was a great, super friendly chat. But, then the tech portion of it came up. I was asked this...

                              /* given an array of random numbers, push all the zero's of a given array to the end of the array
                              for example, if the given arrays is [1, 9, 8, 4, 0, 0, 2, 7, 0, 6, 0], it should be changed to [1, 9, 8, 4, 2, 7, 6, 0, 0, 0, 0]

                              Example:

                              Input: [1, 2, 0, 4, 3, 0, 5, 0];
                              Output: [1, 2, 4, 3, 5, 0, 0];

                              Input: [1, 2, 0, 0, 0, 3, 6];
                              Output: [1, 2, 3, 6, 0, 0, 0]; */

                              Ok fine... I get how this game works. So, let's get cracking. The first solution I start with used two arrays. Cool, no biggie. But then the interviewer asked for me to do it in-place. Ok, fine. So, I write some code that is like a bubble sort that brute forced it (ie, nested loops). We all know that it sucks to have nested loops. Anyway, the interview was cut short and that was that. I look up the "official" solution online, and it's no better than my first attempt. In fact, my first attempt was quicker due to only one loop. The one I linked to was using two loops that just weren't nested. So, not only did my original solution avoid two loops (using more memory though), but I found a more elegant solution online and I just know if that interview wasn't cut short I could've tried something like this the third go-round...

                              void moveZeroes(vector& nums) {
                              for (int lastNonZeroFoundAt = 0, cur = 0; cur < nums.size(); cur++) {
                              if (nums[cur] != 0) {
                              swap(nums[lastNonZeroFoundAt++], nums[cur]);
                              }
                              }
                              }

                              But since I didn't try something like this first, I got passed on. D

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                              Suddenly I think about "ICT-competences modelling" as a few years ago I participated in a research project on higher ICT education. Indeed I think that most HR "still" do not pay attention to relevant aspects of a "programmer"-profile such as communication capabilities, team skills, problem solving, organizing the work, etc ...

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                              • J Jeremy Falcon

                                Does anyone else think coding interviews are fundamentally broken? So like, literally I've been doing this (programming) my whole life. We can all go through our accolades I'm sure, but suffice it to say I've done some things over the years to help rebuild departments in large corporations to garner the attention of regional VPs, etc. as we all have. But, I say this because, two days ago, I had an interview with Unnamed Company That Rhymes With Acelook. Don't get me wrong, they were super friendly, and it was a great chat. But I was asked questions like... Are you comfortable with writing APIs on the backend? That's a generic question, so of course I say sure. To me this indicates the interviewer doesn't realize the best way to interview. No real probing... just questions like that. Ok, cool. Still was a great, super friendly chat. But, then the tech portion of it came up. I was asked this...

                                /* given an array of random numbers, push all the zero's of a given array to the end of the array
                                for example, if the given arrays is [1, 9, 8, 4, 0, 0, 2, 7, 0, 6, 0], it should be changed to [1, 9, 8, 4, 2, 7, 6, 0, 0, 0, 0]

                                Example:

                                Input: [1, 2, 0, 4, 3, 0, 5, 0];
                                Output: [1, 2, 4, 3, 5, 0, 0];

                                Input: [1, 2, 0, 0, 0, 3, 6];
                                Output: [1, 2, 3, 6, 0, 0, 0]; */

                                Ok fine... I get how this game works. So, let's get cracking. The first solution I start with used two arrays. Cool, no biggie. But then the interviewer asked for me to do it in-place. Ok, fine. So, I write some code that is like a bubble sort that brute forced it (ie, nested loops). We all know that it sucks to have nested loops. Anyway, the interview was cut short and that was that. I look up the "official" solution online, and it's no better than my first attempt. In fact, my first attempt was quicker due to only one loop. The one I linked to was using two loops that just weren't nested. So, not only did my original solution avoid two loops (using more memory though), but I found a more elegant solution online and I just know if that interview wasn't cut short I could've tried something like this the third go-round...

                                void moveZeroes(vector& nums) {
                                for (int lastNonZeroFoundAt = 0, cur = 0; cur < nums.size(); cur++) {
                                if (nums[cur] != 0) {
                                swap(nums[lastNonZeroFoundAt++], nums[cur]);
                                }
                                }
                                }

                                But since I didn't try something like this first, I got passed on. D

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                                It is annoying when faced with something like this, but it is surprisingly common. In my opinion a programming test should be short, simple and should only be possible to be failed by someone who can not program - ideally you should be able to use it as a springboard for discussing programming techniques. A lot of people are not good at on the spot tests like this, so this type of interview gets a lot of false negatives. I guess Acelook can pass over good candidates, because they have a lot of candidates to choose from. Perhaps they use custom algorithms and need every programmer to be able to create them. One slight point though - your single loop solution will typically be slightly less efficient then the two loop solution, although it does seem clearer what your solution is doing. Addendum: So when does OG start at Acelook? :laugh:

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                                  Right... that's the first take, but I used two arrays to pull it off to avoid the second loop.

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                                  Seriously, I was thinking about this and there is a cheat to the original instructions. At least in JavaScript. See they just said put all the zeroes at the end. Well. you can do that in one for loop... Each time through loop 1. splice off the 0 at its original location. 2. then push it onto the end Voila!

                                  var data = [ 1, 9, 8, 4, 0, 0, 2, 7, 0, 6, 0 ];

                                  for (var x = 0;x

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                                    Jeremy Falcon wrote:

                                    Anyone else agree this is fundamentally broken?

                                    Yes. The answer that I gave some folks a couple years ago was "Please don't ask me questions I can google the answer for." There was a few seconds of silence. The question they asked me was something along the lines of "what's an abstract class?" Seriously? I've been programming for 40+ years and you ask me that??? Marc

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                                    Marc Clifton wrote:

                                    "what's an abstract class?"

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                                      A few moments though gave me this:

                                      int[] data = new int[] { 1, 9, 8, 4, 0, 0, 2, 7, 0, 6, 0 };
                                      int outp = 0;
                                      for (int inp = 0; inp < data.Length; inp++)
                                      {
                                      int d = data[inp];
                                      if (d != 0)
                                      {
                                      data[outp++] = d;
                                      }
                                      }
                                      while (outp < data.Length)
                                      {
                                      data[outp++] = 0;
                                      }

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                                      Look at this stupid C# code I wrote that allows you to do only one for loop.

                                      //int [] data = {1, 9, 8, 4, 0, 0, 2, 7, 0, 6, 0};
                                      //int [] data = {0,0,0,0};
                                      //int [] data = {0,1,2,0,0,0,0,0};
                                      int [] data = {0,1,2,0,0,0,0,0,5};
                                      List allData = new List(data);
                                      var originalSize = allData.Count;
                                      var counter=0;
                                      for (int x =0;counter<=originalSize;x++){
                                      if (allData[x]== 0){
                                      Console.WriteLine($"got 0 : {x}");
                                      allData.RemoveAt(x--);
                                      allData.Add(0);
                                      }
                                      counter++;
                                      }
                                      data = allData.ToArray();
                                      Console.WriteLine(data);

                                      I've provided multiple data sets to test the data. It works. :rolleyes: EDIT i was trying to reproduce what I could do in JavaScript. See above... The Lounge[^]

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                                        Seriously, I was thinking about this and there is a cheat to the original instructions. At least in JavaScript. See they just said put all the zeroes at the end. Well. you can do that in one for loop... Each time through loop 1. splice off the 0 at its original location. 2. then push it onto the end Voila!

                                        var data = [ 1, 9, 8, 4, 0, 0, 2, 7, 0, 6, 0 ];

                                        for (var x = 0;x

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                                        That's a good solution and better than my first one that used two arrays. Too bad I didn't think of it two days ago. :sigh:

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                                          It is annoying when faced with something like this, but it is surprisingly common. In my opinion a programming test should be short, simple and should only be possible to be failed by someone who can not program - ideally you should be able to use it as a springboard for discussing programming techniques. A lot of people are not good at on the spot tests like this, so this type of interview gets a lot of false negatives. I guess Acelook can pass over good candidates, because they have a lot of candidates to choose from. Perhaps they use custom algorithms and need every programmer to be able to create them. One slight point though - your single loop solution will typically be slightly less efficient then the two loop solution, although it does seem clearer what your solution is doing. Addendum: So when does OG start at Acelook? :laugh:

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                                          Fueled By Caffeine wrote:

                                          A lot of people are not good at on the spot tests like this, so this type of interview gets a lot of false negatives.

                                          Yeah that's exactly right. It takes time to analyze a problem you haven't run across before. When the interview is cut short... time is not on your side. It's so much easier to spend time working on it when nobody is watching. It's almost to be a developer you have to study algorithms you'll never use and study what you'll actually be doing. Twice the effort for half the gain.

                                          Fueled By Caffeine wrote:

                                          One slight point though - your single loop solution will typically be slightly less efficient then the two loop solution, although it does seem clearer what your solution is doing.

                                          Oh I agree. The further up the loop you go in the second solution the quicker it becomes, but still... hard to work against the clock like that for something new. Such is life I guess. Bubble type sorts are slow, but at least they are tried and true... which is why I went that route for the second solution. Given enough time... I'd like to think I could've done better. Guess, I'll have to brush up on stuff I'll never use once I get the job.

                                          Fueled By Caffeine wrote:

                                          Addendum: So when does OG start at Acelook?

                                          Dunno... hopefully he'll get me in the door too. :laugh:

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