Covid versions - NOT POLITICAL (I promise)
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I have gotten it, my whole family got it, half the people at work got it, a 70 year old at work got it and was back to work in a week. It wasn't that bad. Does the US have a different version of Covid than Europe? I know my anecdotal experiences don't prove anything on a grand scale nor am I trying to, but I do find it interesting that my experiences with Covid have been so much easier than others experiences. Or, based on a thread yesterday about Subway, maybe it's because American's eat so much junk food our immune systems are stronger? :) Although I don't ever eat fast food. Schools have been back in session for 2 months and nothing has happened. I know some denser populations had some problems when school opened back up. Everyone in the world at some point will be exposed to this thing if they haven't already. Maybe it's the people that got infected early on that are having the worst time? Maybe I had already been exposed and built a little immunity but then was exposed again and again and finally got it but it wasn't that bad? Or maybe testing just doesn't work? I find it interesting how varied the experiences with Covid are throughout the world. It's easy to understand those that have been impacted hard are fearful of it and those that haven't don't worry much about it. Very interesting.
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I've heard that there's an European strand of the virus; I cannot find a good or more recent reference, but [this one](https://www.cato.org/blog/two-supertypes-coronavirus-east-asian-european) seems to be good. It was told it was more virulent than what got in the US (west coast) and that's why east coast US got more cases initially.
I'd rather be phishing!
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ZurdoDev wrote:
testing
The problem with the term "test" is that when it is used in the media there is no information provided relating to the specifics of the clinical test. As an example - if we are talking about a PCR test, the number of cycles carried out will have a big effect in detection of the virus. Are all laboratories using the same number of cycles? Also is there an agreed upon primer sequence design that all PCR tests for sars-cov-2 use and agree upon? I am going to guess that there is no one standard all testers adhere to with regards to primers or cycles - which would result in different test protocols between countries and possibly even within countries.
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Quite probably. But do you think that accounts for the different experiences of those infected or are you maybe suggesting that we are getting more false positives in the US testing?
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I've heard that there's an European strand of the virus; I cannot find a good or more recent reference, but [this one](https://www.cato.org/blog/two-supertypes-coronavirus-east-asian-european) seems to be good. It was told it was more virulent than what got in the US (west coast) and that's why east coast US got more cases initially.
I'd rather be phishing!
Very interesting, thanks. I hadn't seen that. But that makes sense. I'm no epidemiologist but I imagine that each year there will be slightly different Covid strains, just like the "regular" flu does now. And when they do get a vaccine will it be as inefficient as the flu vaccines are now?
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I have gotten it, my whole family got it, half the people at work got it, a 70 year old at work got it and was back to work in a week. It wasn't that bad. Does the US have a different version of Covid than Europe? I know my anecdotal experiences don't prove anything on a grand scale nor am I trying to, but I do find it interesting that my experiences with Covid have been so much easier than others experiences. Or, based on a thread yesterday about Subway, maybe it's because American's eat so much junk food our immune systems are stronger? :) Although I don't ever eat fast food. Schools have been back in session for 2 months and nothing has happened. I know some denser populations had some problems when school opened back up. Everyone in the world at some point will be exposed to this thing if they haven't already. Maybe it's the people that got infected early on that are having the worst time? Maybe I had already been exposed and built a little immunity but then was exposed again and again and finally got it but it wasn't that bad? Or maybe testing just doesn't work? I find it interesting how varied the experiences with Covid are throughout the world. It's easy to understand those that have been impacted hard are fearful of it and those that haven't don't worry much about it. Very interesting.
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Well, there are about 7.5 million cases and around 200K death. So that's 200000/7500000 = 0.0267. And 0.0267 * 100 = 2.67%. So let's say around 3% dies. For a certain percentage it's a (very) nasty flu-like disease. And for everyone else it's a mild flu or even nothing. Even if that last part is only 10%, that still means 750K people experience little to no problems. That last part is far bigger than 10% though, I don't have numbers, but I think most people are good. The problem is that those 3% that die need to be hospitalized, but we don't have that capacity, making it all a very nasty business with corpses in the street and whatnot.
ZurdoDev wrote:
maybe it's because American's eat so much junk food our immune systems are stronger?
Actually, that 3% mortality rate is pretty high because you guys eat so much junkfood. That stuff really isn't good for your immune system...
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Quite probably. But do you think that accounts for the different experiences of those infected or are you maybe suggesting that we are getting more false positives in the US testing?
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False positive is a whole polarised political debate in and of itself unfortunately. I just have a bit of a bee in my bonnet over the media's use of the term test and the over-simplification of the idea that a clinical test produces a binary answer and that there is an agreed upon gold-standard for testing sars-cov-2. But it just feels like the words "test, test, test" that were uttered by the head of the WHO, over-simplify what can be a rather complex and nuanced process, both with the actual protocol of the test and with the interpretation of the results. I don't know why people have different experiences and it would be good to be able to have a lot of these sorts of questions answered, although I imagine the answers would probably be "it depends.." as are a lot of answers in the world of medicine.
“That which can be asserted without evidence, can be dismissed without evidence.”
― Christopher Hitchens
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Well, there are about 7.5 million cases and around 200K death. So that's 200000/7500000 = 0.0267. And 0.0267 * 100 = 2.67%. So let's say around 3% dies. For a certain percentage it's a (very) nasty flu-like disease. And for everyone else it's a mild flu or even nothing. Even if that last part is only 10%, that still means 750K people experience little to no problems. That last part is far bigger than 10% though, I don't have numbers, but I think most people are good. The problem is that those 3% that die need to be hospitalized, but we don't have that capacity, making it all a very nasty business with corpses in the street and whatnot.
ZurdoDev wrote:
maybe it's because American's eat so much junk food our immune systems are stronger?
Actually, that 3% mortality rate is pretty high because you guys eat so much junkfood. That stuff really isn't good for your immune system...
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Sander Rossel wrote:
but we don't have that capacity
That stinks. The US has not had that problem.
Sander Rossel wrote:
That stuff really isn't good for your immune system...
I know. I was making a funny. :)
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False positive is a whole polarised political debate in and of itself unfortunately. I just have a bit of a bee in my bonnet over the media's use of the term test and the over-simplification of the idea that a clinical test produces a binary answer and that there is an agreed upon gold-standard for testing sars-cov-2. But it just feels like the words "test, test, test" that were uttered by the head of the WHO, over-simplify what can be a rather complex and nuanced process, both with the actual protocol of the test and with the interpretation of the results. I don't know why people have different experiences and it would be good to be able to have a lot of these sorts of questions answered, although I imagine the answers would probably be "it depends.." as are a lot of answers in the world of medicine.
“That which can be asserted without evidence, can be dismissed without evidence.”
― Christopher Hitchens
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I have gotten it, my whole family got it, half the people at work got it, a 70 year old at work got it and was back to work in a week. It wasn't that bad. Does the US have a different version of Covid than Europe? I know my anecdotal experiences don't prove anything on a grand scale nor am I trying to, but I do find it interesting that my experiences with Covid have been so much easier than others experiences. Or, based on a thread yesterday about Subway, maybe it's because American's eat so much junk food our immune systems are stronger? :) Although I don't ever eat fast food. Schools have been back in session for 2 months and nothing has happened. I know some denser populations had some problems when school opened back up. Everyone in the world at some point will be exposed to this thing if they haven't already. Maybe it's the people that got infected early on that are having the worst time? Maybe I had already been exposed and built a little immunity but then was exposed again and again and finally got it but it wasn't that bad? Or maybe testing just doesn't work? I find it interesting how varied the experiences with Covid are throughout the world. It's easy to understand those that have been impacted hard are fearful of it and those that haven't don't worry much about it. Very interesting.
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ZurdoDev wrote:
Does the US have a different version of Covid than Europe?
Short answer, No. Slightly longer answer, Last time I checked there were about 80000 different versions of the virus, which makes it slowly evolving. Yes, slowly. They are all pretty well spread around the world, and the difference in virulence isn't that big. There are four Coronaviruses around since before that infect humans that gives us the common cold. (out of >200 viruses). Three of those are likely to give us at least partial immunity to Covid-19. Note that immunity doesn't mean that you don't get infected or sick, it means our immune system is prepared in advance to fight it. So instead of getting violently sick a la the flu, you "just" get a cold, or don't notice much at all if you're lucky. In the first wave this spring, those that got less symptoms mostly didn't get tested, tests were scarce and much more expensive then, so they're not not included in the statistics. And that's the major difference I believe. Also, keeping better distance and also using masks means the probability of breathing in droplets with viruses is lowered as well as making the droplets as such smaller. And the lower the virus load, the more time our immune systems have to adapt to the virus. We're also better prepared now, and better at protecting those that are at risk.
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Sander Rossel wrote:
but we don't have that capacity
That stinks. The US has not had that problem.
Sander Rossel wrote:
That stuff really isn't good for your immune system...
I know. I was making a funny. :)
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ZurdoDev wrote:
Does the US have a different version of Covid than Europe?
Short answer, No. Slightly longer answer, Last time I checked there were about 80000 different versions of the virus, which makes it slowly evolving. Yes, slowly. They are all pretty well spread around the world, and the difference in virulence isn't that big. There are four Coronaviruses around since before that infect humans that gives us the common cold. (out of >200 viruses). Three of those are likely to give us at least partial immunity to Covid-19. Note that immunity doesn't mean that you don't get infected or sick, it means our immune system is prepared in advance to fight it. So instead of getting violently sick a la the flu, you "just" get a cold, or don't notice much at all if you're lucky. In the first wave this spring, those that got less symptoms mostly didn't get tested, tests were scarce and much more expensive then, so they're not not included in the statistics. And that's the major difference I believe. Also, keeping better distance and also using masks means the probability of breathing in droplets with viruses is lowered as well as making the droplets as such smaller. And the lower the virus load, the more time our immune systems have to adapt to the virus. We're also better prepared now, and better at protecting those that are at risk.
Wrong is evil and must be defeated. - Jeff Ello Never stop dreaming - Freddie Kruger
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I have gotten it, my whole family got it, half the people at work got it, a 70 year old at work got it and was back to work in a week. It wasn't that bad. Does the US have a different version of Covid than Europe? I know my anecdotal experiences don't prove anything on a grand scale nor am I trying to, but I do find it interesting that my experiences with Covid have been so much easier than others experiences. Or, based on a thread yesterday about Subway, maybe it's because American's eat so much junk food our immune systems are stronger? :) Although I don't ever eat fast food. Schools have been back in session for 2 months and nothing has happened. I know some denser populations had some problems when school opened back up. Everyone in the world at some point will be exposed to this thing if they haven't already. Maybe it's the people that got infected early on that are having the worst time? Maybe I had already been exposed and built a little immunity but then was exposed again and again and finally got it but it wasn't that bad? Or maybe testing just doesn't work? I find it interesting how varied the experiences with Covid are throughout the world. It's easy to understand those that have been impacted hard are fearful of it and those that haven't don't worry much about it. Very interesting.
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ZurdoDev wrote:
Does the US have a different version of Covid than Europe?
Coronavirus is the virus, covid is the name of the disease you get if infected. The original strain of corona has almost died out, what is around now are mutations of the original strain and Europe and the US do have their own most common strains, but I don't think there is much of a difference between them.
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That stinks. The US has not had that problem.
FTFY - you haven't watched all the news, have you?
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you haven't watched all the news, have you?
Thank goodness no. But there was some concern over that in the beginning and all the talk was about "flatten the curve" and that was done long ago and hospitals have not since had that problem.
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I have gotten it, my whole family got it, half the people at work got it, a 70 year old at work got it and was back to work in a week. It wasn't that bad. Does the US have a different version of Covid than Europe? I know my anecdotal experiences don't prove anything on a grand scale nor am I trying to, but I do find it interesting that my experiences with Covid have been so much easier than others experiences. Or, based on a thread yesterday about Subway, maybe it's because American's eat so much junk food our immune systems are stronger? :) Although I don't ever eat fast food. Schools have been back in session for 2 months and nothing has happened. I know some denser populations had some problems when school opened back up. Everyone in the world at some point will be exposed to this thing if they haven't already. Maybe it's the people that got infected early on that are having the worst time? Maybe I had already been exposed and built a little immunity but then was exposed again and again and finally got it but it wasn't that bad? Or maybe testing just doesn't work? I find it interesting how varied the experiences with Covid are throughout the world. It's easy to understand those that have been impacted hard are fearful of it and those that haven't don't worry much about it. Very interesting.
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You're simply ignoring everyone with weakened immune systems. Selective comprehension. And some people take up to 4 or more months to die ... in and out of the "recovery" room.
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You're simply ignoring everyone with weakened immune systems. Selective comprehension. And some people take up to 4 or more months to die ... in and out of the "recovery" room.
It was only in wine that he laid down no limit for himself, but he did not allow himself to be confused by it. ― Confucian Analects: Rules of Confucius about his food
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I have gotten it, my whole family got it, half the people at work got it, a 70 year old at work got it and was back to work in a week. It wasn't that bad. Does the US have a different version of Covid than Europe? I know my anecdotal experiences don't prove anything on a grand scale nor am I trying to, but I do find it interesting that my experiences with Covid have been so much easier than others experiences. Or, based on a thread yesterday about Subway, maybe it's because American's eat so much junk food our immune systems are stronger? :) Although I don't ever eat fast food. Schools have been back in session for 2 months and nothing has happened. I know some denser populations had some problems when school opened back up. Everyone in the world at some point will be exposed to this thing if they haven't already. Maybe it's the people that got infected early on that are having the worst time? Maybe I had already been exposed and built a little immunity but then was exposed again and again and finally got it but it wasn't that bad? Or maybe testing just doesn't work? I find it interesting how varied the experiences with Covid are throughout the world. It's easy to understand those that have been impacted hard are fearful of it and those that haven't don't worry much about it. Very interesting.
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This is a very interesting article on how RNA viruses (common cold, flu, SARS, COVID-19) mutate. [https://www.bbc.com/future/article/20200918-why-some-deadly-viruses-vanish-and-go-extinct?ocid=ww.social.link.email\](https://www.bbc.com/future/article/20200918-why-some-deadly-viruses-vanish-and-go-extinct?ocid=ww.social.link.email)
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I have gotten it, my whole family got it, half the people at work got it, a 70 year old at work got it and was back to work in a week. It wasn't that bad. Does the US have a different version of Covid than Europe? I know my anecdotal experiences don't prove anything on a grand scale nor am I trying to, but I do find it interesting that my experiences with Covid have been so much easier than others experiences. Or, based on a thread yesterday about Subway, maybe it's because American's eat so much junk food our immune systems are stronger? :) Although I don't ever eat fast food. Schools have been back in session for 2 months and nothing has happened. I know some denser populations had some problems when school opened back up. Everyone in the world at some point will be exposed to this thing if they haven't already. Maybe it's the people that got infected early on that are having the worst time? Maybe I had already been exposed and built a little immunity but then was exposed again and again and finally got it but it wasn't that bad? Or maybe testing just doesn't work? I find it interesting how varied the experiences with Covid are throughout the world. It's easy to understand those that have been impacted hard are fearful of it and those that haven't don't worry much about it. Very interesting.
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There's a few things going on here. First, the latest CDC figures (Sep 30) show that 99.999% of people under the age of 75 will recover. Over that age the recovery rate drops to between 92 and 93%. The CDC currently shows a US life expectancy of 78.6 years. Second, just because you test positive doesn't mean you're going to get sick. Early "whole population" studies of this virus in Italy and Iceland showed that anywhere from 50 to 75% of the people who are infected will never show any symptoms - their bodies develop the antibodies and deal with it before it becomes numerous enough to cause problems. Third, when it comes to the media, blood, fear, and scandal sell. Our media uses incomplete reporting to spread fear about this virus in order to sell. By incomplete reporting, the headline/story will read "x number of people are testing positive" but they'll never tell you how many actually got sick, nor of those who get sick how many require hospitalizations. Fourth, the vast majority of our politicians operate on the concept of never let a good crisis go to waste to increase personal power. Look at media reports on this virus through the above lenses and you'll see a completely different picture from what's being foisted on the public.
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This is a very interesting article on how RNA viruses (common cold, flu, SARS, COVID-19) mutate. [https://www.bbc.com/future/article/20200918-why-some-deadly-viruses-vanish-and-go-extinct?ocid=ww.social.link.email\](https://www.bbc.com/future/article/20200918-why-some-deadly-viruses-vanish-and-go-extinct?ocid=ww.social.link.email)
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Very interesting, thanks. I hadn't seen that. But that makes sense. I'm no epidemiologist but I imagine that each year there will be slightly different Covid strains, just like the "regular" flu does now. And when they do get a vaccine will it be as inefficient as the flu vaccines are now?
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That's my take and what I've heard from so-called "experts".
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Well, there are about 7.5 million cases and around 200K death. So that's 200000/7500000 = 0.0267. And 0.0267 * 100 = 2.67%. So let's say around 3% dies. For a certain percentage it's a (very) nasty flu-like disease. And for everyone else it's a mild flu or even nothing. Even if that last part is only 10%, that still means 750K people experience little to no problems. That last part is far bigger than 10% though, I don't have numbers, but I think most people are good. The problem is that those 3% that die need to be hospitalized, but we don't have that capacity, making it all a very nasty business with corpses in the street and whatnot.
ZurdoDev wrote:
maybe it's because American's eat so much junk food our immune systems are stronger?
Actually, that 3% mortality rate is pretty high because you guys eat so much junkfood. That stuff really isn't good for your immune system...
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Dude, the mortality rate from COVID in Europe or rest of the world is higher than in what it is in the US. US has 2.9% mortality rate REST: 3.3% mortality rate
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That stinks. The US has not had that problem.
FTFY - you haven't watched all the news, have you?
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Yes, I have and the hospitals here have NOT had the problem. There was scaremongering at the beginning, but nothing since. Lots of pictures of hundreds of empty beds. *yawn*
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