What's the deal with the Supreme Court case of Oracle v. Google?
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I was reading this from a regular news website, but of course as a programmer I would like to get a more nuts & bolts perspective on this. Supreme Court to hear landmark case that could shake up Silicon Valley - POLITICO[^]
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I was reading this from a regular news website, but of course as a programmer I would like to get a more nuts & bolts perspective on this. Supreme Court to hear landmark case that could shake up Silicon Valley - POLITICO[^]
Google copied some "method names"; Oracle says, you can't do that, those are "our names"; our vocabulary. So, next time you decide to "build a better mouse trap", but use the same "word" to talk to it, I'll sue your **s off.
It was only in wine that he laid down no limit for himself, but he did not allow himself to be confused by it. ― Confucian Analects: Rules of Confucius about his food
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Google copied some "method names"; Oracle says, you can't do that, those are "our names"; our vocabulary. So, next time you decide to "build a better mouse trap", but use the same "word" to talk to it, I'll sue your **s off.
It was only in wine that he laid down no limit for himself, but he did not allow himself to be confused by it. ― Confucian Analects: Rules of Confucius about his food
Gerry Schmitz wrote:
I'll sue your **s off.
Maybe wait for the result of the G vs. O case before suing.
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Google copied some "method names"; Oracle says, you can't do that, those are "our names"; our vocabulary. So, next time you decide to "build a better mouse trap", but use the same "word" to talk to it, I'll sue your **s off.
It was only in wine that he laid down no limit for himself, but he did not allow himself to be confused by it. ― Confucian Analects: Rules of Confucius about his food
Do remember that the only people who get rich buy sueing is ... lawyers. There was a British legal dispute between three brothers over their fathers will which ended in 2006: after 43 years, all of the estate had gone in legal fees and none of them received anything ... two of them had already died by that point!
"I have no idea what I did, but I'm taking full credit for it." - ThisOldTony "Common sense is so rare these days, it should be classified as a super power" - Random T-shirt AntiTwitter: @DalekDave is now a follower!
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Do remember that the only people who get rich buy sueing is ... lawyers. There was a British legal dispute between three brothers over their fathers will which ended in 2006: after 43 years, all of the estate had gone in legal fees and none of them received anything ... two of them had already died by that point!
"I have no idea what I did, but I'm taking full credit for it." - ThisOldTony "Common sense is so rare these days, it should be classified as a super power" - Random T-shirt AntiTwitter: @DalekDave is now a follower!
I don't think it's about the money; it's seeing what you can get away with (and $9B). They're peeved that Google has Android. This is like WINE and Parallels.
It was only in wine that he laid down no limit for himself, but he did not allow himself to be confused by it. ― Confucian Analects: Rules of Confucius about his food
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Gerry Schmitz wrote:
I'll sue your **s off.
Maybe wait for the result of the G vs. O case before suing.
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Do remember that the only people who get rich buy sueing is ... lawyers. There was a British legal dispute between three brothers over their fathers will which ended in 2006: after 43 years, all of the estate had gone in legal fees and none of them received anything ... two of them had already died by that point!
"I have no idea what I did, but I'm taking full credit for it." - ThisOldTony "Common sense is so rare these days, it should be classified as a super power" - Random T-shirt AntiTwitter: @DalekDave is now a follower!
Bleak House was a documentary? :confused: :omg: :wtf:
TTFN - Kent
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I was being rhetorical. Myself, I couldn't care less or have the time.
It was only in wine that he laid down no limit for himself, but he did not allow himself to be confused by it. ― Confucian Analects: Rules of Confucius about his food
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I was reading this from a regular news website, but of course as a programmer I would like to get a more nuts & bolts perspective on this. Supreme Court to hear landmark case that could shake up Silicon Valley - POLITICO[^]
The crux appears to be whether an API can be copyrighted, even if its implementation is independent of the original.
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The crux appears to be whether an API can be copyrighted, even if its implementation is independent of the original.
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The fox knows many things, but the hedgehog knows one big thing. -
So along this line of thinking, if GM had come up with the automatic transmission and the letters "P R N D", Ford would not be able to come up with its own transmission with those same letters? This is beyond ridiculous.
There was some discussion of this yesterday, which you might want to read. I gave some examples why I don't think it's necessarily ridiculous, although it would definitely depend on the specifics.
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I was reading this from a regular news website, but of course as a programmer I would like to get a more nuts & bolts perspective on this. Supreme Court to hear landmark case that could shake up Silicon Valley - POLITICO[^]
The problem is that google did use some of the code verbatim, and there is also legal precedent where code doesn't have to be a verbatim copy to violate copyright, it only has to be largely the same otherwise you could change some variable names and claim the code is yours. There are also licensing issues where many APIs want you to use them, Oracle don't want you using java for commercial purposes without a license so rather than pay for the license google adapted what was essentially a fork of the code and used it for commercial purposes. There is a lot going on basically, it's not as simple as "APIs can't be copyrighted".
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I was reading this from a regular news website, but of course as a programmer I would like to get a more nuts & bolts perspective on this. Supreme Court to hear landmark case that could shake up Silicon Valley - POLITICO[^]
It's not looking good for reality: https://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/2020/10/googles-supreme-court-faceoff-with-oracle-was-a-disaster-for-google/[^]
TTFN - Kent
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It's not looking good for reality: https://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/2020/10/googles-supreme-court-faceoff-with-oracle-was-a-disaster-for-google/[^]
TTFN - Kent
To be honest... I don't care about google or oracle. But...
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More importantly, an Oracle win could reshape how copyright law treats APIs, giving incumbents the power to lock out competitors who want to build compatible software. ... It could also directly affect the livelihoods of computer programmers, who might find they are more frequently forced to learn new programming languages or other software tools when they switch jobs.
This is what I fear.
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The distinction between a program and an API makes intuitive sense to computer programmers who regularly use APIs (and write programs) in their daily work. But it's far from obvious to Supreme Court justices, all of whom are lawyers over the age of 50.
Exactly what I meant the other day in the other thread here in the lounge. And coming up next...
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This is a widespread practice in the software industry. Oracle, for example, re-implemented Amazon's S3 API so that customers who built software for Amazon's cloud platform could easily switch to Oracle's rival cloud platform.
M.D.V. ;) If something has a solution... Why do we have to worry about?. If it has no solution... For what reason do we have to worry about? Help me to understand what I'm saying, and I'll explain it better to you Rating helpful answers is nice, but saying thanks can be even nicer.
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Google copied some "method names"; Oracle says, you can't do that, those are "our names"; our vocabulary. So, next time you decide to "build a better mouse trap", but use the same "word" to talk to it, I'll sue your **s off.
It was only in wine that he laid down no limit for himself, but he did not allow himself to be confused by it. ― Confucian Analects: Rules of Confucius about his food
