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  • W Wizard of Sleeves

    Step 1) Boot up with a Linux install disk ...

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    trønderen
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    Step 2) Start a truly user-friendly desktop application Ooooops....

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    • P PIEBALDconsult

      Sooo... they can't send it to you or set a new one if you forget it?

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      CCostaT
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      (note sure if joking so assuming it's not) Nope, if you forget your pin you have to login to the machine using your regular password and then set a new pin. You need to be physically present on the machine.

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      • G GenJerDan

        raddevus wrote:

        Then I learned that the PIN is only stored on your local computer. If you have a Windows account and try to use that PIN when logging onto another computer then the PIN won't work there*.

        Unless, of course, you've used the same PIN on all the machines. Which most people will be doing. ("Thank God, I don't have to remember 20-character passwords that need to be changed every 60 days! These four digits will be good forever!")

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        True and that's why my company doesn't allow using pins. It should be fine for your home computers unless you think someone will still your stuff :) In that case, all bets are off.

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        • J Jorgen Andersson

          But to log you on to the domain your windows password hash still needs to be sent over the network to the server. The only thing they have managed is to lower the local security.

          Wrong is evil and must be defeated. - Jeff Ello Never stop dreaming - Freddie Kruger

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          Kirk 10389821
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          Okay, I do UNDERSTAND using a PIN, and I thought the same thing at first. Then, I started working on a TABLET for a product I am creating. You know what REALLY sucks. Typing a complicated password with a virtual keyboard and a touch screen! You know how much easier it is to have a PIN. And here is an interesting side effect. Every device uses a different user login, but is programmed with the same pin. The users have to have the device in hand, and know the pin. But one pin unlocks all devices to use the software. If I remotely CHANGE the password, then the PIN SHOULD FAIL to log you in! (Because it saves the cached, hash, as I understand it). From a management standpoint of multiple, shared devices. I am sold. If you lose a device, I assume you change your password, and the PIN becomes useless across all of your devices. If that is the case, then it's actually not a bad compromise. Especially given that you need physical access to the device. But the Auto-Install Hello and Cortana, etc. Plus the COUNTLESS HOURS to run windows update... I am starting to miss MS-DOS 5.0 a LOT. LOL.

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            Okay, I do UNDERSTAND using a PIN, and I thought the same thing at first. Then, I started working on a TABLET for a product I am creating. You know what REALLY sucks. Typing a complicated password with a virtual keyboard and a touch screen! You know how much easier it is to have a PIN. And here is an interesting side effect. Every device uses a different user login, but is programmed with the same pin. The users have to have the device in hand, and know the pin. But one pin unlocks all devices to use the software. If I remotely CHANGE the password, then the PIN SHOULD FAIL to log you in! (Because it saves the cached, hash, as I understand it). From a management standpoint of multiple, shared devices. I am sold. If you lose a device, I assume you change your password, and the PIN becomes useless across all of your devices. If that is the case, then it's actually not a bad compromise. Especially given that you need physical access to the device. But the Auto-Install Hello and Cortana, etc. Plus the COUNTLESS HOURS to run windows update... I am starting to miss MS-DOS 5.0 a LOT. LOL.

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            Jorgen Andersson
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            So, give me a choice.

            Wrong is evil and must be defeated. - Jeff Ello Never stop dreaming - Freddie Kruger

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            • J Jorgen Andersson

              So, give me a choice.

              Wrong is evil and must be defeated. - Jeff Ello Never stop dreaming - Freddie Kruger

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              Kirk 10389821
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              The choice WAS there! You can turn off the pin feature. I did for a while... Or did that take that away? [It WAS on the screen where you reset the pin] I say this, after I just witnessed the 2004 upgrade CHANGING the virtual keyboard, making the keys smaller by adding a USELESS Margin, and removing 2 options of keyboard that we were USING. It ruined 3 teams for an entire day, re-acclimating to a new virtual keyboard. I could strangle someone at MSFT!

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              • J Jorgen Andersson

                WTF is this "Windows Hello" bullshit! And how do I disable it Also, how the fuck is a pin-code supposed to be safer than a password? Rant over.

                Wrong is evil and must be defeated. - Jeff Ello Never stop dreaming - Freddie Kruger

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                Chaoix
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                The trick is to setup Windows initially with a local account with no password, then set a password and/or link your Microsoft account to it via settings after.

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                • C Chaoix

                  The trick is to setup Windows initially with a local account with no password, then set a password and/or link your Microsoft account to it via settings after.

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                  Jorgen Andersson
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                  Interesting

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                  • C Chaoix

                    The trick is to setup Windows initially with a local account with no password, then set a password and/or link your Microsoft account to it via settings after.

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                    And the easy trick to create a local account is not to connect to your network earlier in the setup process.

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                    • J Jorgen Andersson

                      WTF is this "Windows Hello" bullshit! And how do I disable it Also, how the fuck is a pin-code supposed to be safer than a password? Rant over.

                      Wrong is evil and must be defeated. - Jeff Ello Never stop dreaming - Freddie Kruger

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                      The only place where Windows should run is in a VM; connected to the outside world over your own proxy. Unless it a toy, install a real OS.

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