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  • K Kent Sharkey

    The Next Web[^]:

    I fell in love with programming because of the feeling of losing myself in ideas and concepts while being completely alone for hours on end.

    I hope they worked with someone else on this list

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    I'd have to think that the biggest reason of all is that you can't fart when you need to.

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      Hours yes; hyperproductive in the zone. That's no longer allowed with agile. Gotta "stand up" in time.

      Bastard Programmer from Hell :suss: "If you just follow the bacon Eddy, wherever it leads you, then you won't have to think about politics." -- Some Bell.

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      Eddy Vluggen wrote:

      agile

      When done right, agile is the best process I have seen. The problem is most people don't know how to do it right.

      Social Media - A platform that makes it easier for the crazies to find each other. Everyone is born right handed. Only the strongest overcome it. Fight for left-handed rights and hand equality.

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        I'd have to think that the biggest reason of all is that you can't fart when you need to.

        Robust Services Core | Software Techniques for Lemmings | Articles
        The fox knows many things, but the hedgehog knows one big thing.

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        Daniel Pfeffer
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        Greg Utas wrote:

        I'd have to think that the biggest reason of all is that you can't fart when you need to.

        Have your lesser half (:)) wear one of these: [Reusable Half Facepiece and Anti-Fog Safety Goggle Set Against Dust/Organic Vapors/Smells/Fumes/Sawdust/Asbestos Suitable for Painting, Staining, Car Spraying, Sanding, and Cutting](https://www.amazon.com/Respirator-Anti-Fog-Facepiece-Reusable-Asbestos/dp/B07Y2S71T1/ref=sr\_1\_1\_sspa?dchild=1&keywords=gas+masks+for+germ+protection&pd\_rd\_r=9a923b53-d342-4e81-a8e7-7f0e8162ef52&pd\_rd\_w=aCaS6&pd\_rd\_wg=tDMz4&pf\_rd\_p=0ec05f25-9534-48fe-9c3e-40b89957230e&pf\_rd\_r=M1TYJ2EABRTVJD9Y61SH&qid=1603455200&sr=8-1-spons&psc=1&spLa=ZW5jcnlwdGVkUXVhbGlmaWVyPUEzVVJQVlQ3WTk1UlJRJmVuY3J5cHRlZElkPUEwODc0NTAwMVVTU0w1UzNQNkJVUyZlbmNyeXB0ZWRBZElkPUEwNzUyMTk2MURYSFpRNDBHU1U3JndpZGdldE5hbWU9c3BfYXRmJmFjdGlvbj1jbGlja1JlZGlyZWN0JmRvTm90TG9nQ2xpY2s9dHJ1ZQ==)

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          Greg Utas wrote:

          I'd have to think that the biggest reason of all is that you can't fart when you need to.

          Have your lesser half (:)) wear one of these: [Reusable Half Facepiece and Anti-Fog Safety Goggle Set Against Dust/Organic Vapors/Smells/Fumes/Sawdust/Asbestos Suitable for Painting, Staining, Car Spraying, Sanding, and Cutting](https://www.amazon.com/Respirator-Anti-Fog-Facepiece-Reusable-Asbestos/dp/B07Y2S71T1/ref=sr\_1\_1\_sspa?dchild=1&keywords=gas+masks+for+germ+protection&pd\_rd\_r=9a923b53-d342-4e81-a8e7-7f0e8162ef52&pd\_rd\_w=aCaS6&pd\_rd\_wg=tDMz4&pf\_rd\_p=0ec05f25-9534-48fe-9c3e-40b89957230e&pf\_rd\_r=M1TYJ2EABRTVJD9Y61SH&qid=1603455200&sr=8-1-spons&psc=1&spLa=ZW5jcnlwdGVkUXVhbGlmaWVyPUEzVVJQVlQ3WTk1UlJRJmVuY3J5cHRlZElkPUEwODc0NTAwMVVTU0w1UzNQNkJVUyZlbmNyeXB0ZWRBZElkPUEwNzUyMTk2MURYSFpRNDBHU1U3JndpZGdldE5hbWU9c3BfYXRmJmFjdGlvbj1jbGlja1JlZGlyZWN0JmRvTm90TG9nQ2xpY2s9dHJ1ZQ==)

          Freedom is the freedom to say that two plus two make four. If that is granted, all else follows. -- 6079 Smith W.

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          Perfect, because it would also keep them quiet. :laugh:

          Robust Services Core | Software Techniques for Lemmings | Articles
          The fox knows many things, but the hedgehog knows one big thing.

          <p><a href="https://github.com/GregUtas/robust-services-core/blob/master/README.md">Robust Services Core</a>
          <em>The fox knows many things, but the hedgehog knows one big thing.</em></p>

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          • K Kent Sharkey

            The Next Web[^]:

            I fell in love with programming because of the feeling of losing myself in ideas and concepts while being completely alone for hours on end.

            I hope they worked with someone else on this list

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            I'm an old :elephant:, so I can tell you this: I. Won't. Pair. Program. EVER. I'll do code reviews, I'll do stand-ups, I'll put Post-It™'s on a wallboard every day to show µ-progress if you want. I would mentor a less-experienced programmer. I will not have someone hanging over my shoulder, or even worse, me handing over theirs, as we hack away through a piece of code. My group of five developers has over 100 man-years of experience in our product domain. We work well together, and routinely debug into each other's code. We pair-debug on occasion. Pair programming would be completely disruptive for us. To say we each have our idiosyncrasies is to put it mildly. A couple of the guys use a dark theme on their desktop and their IDE. Some work with music, some not. I create structure (classes and members) top-down, and then fill in the code. Others fill in from the top down, others from the bottom up. We have a simple naming convention which each of us implements in our own way. Pair programming would completely break the eminently effective workflow we have.

            Software Zen: delete this;

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            • Z ZurdoDev

              Eddy Vluggen wrote:

              agile

              When done right, agile is the best process I have seen. The problem is most people don't know how to do it right.

              Social Media - A platform that makes it easier for the crazies to find each other. Everyone is born right handed. Only the strongest overcome it. Fight for left-handed rights and hand equality.

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              Agile means delivering something the user asks for; I don't. I deliver a secure an complete product, wich the user doesn't ask for and costs more. The problem is with the idea; you don't build on the wishes of the day. You make an outline of what is needed, and build that. And yes, I still do SDM; it's the only thing that works.

              Bastard Programmer from Hell :suss: "If you just follow the bacon Eddy, wherever it leads you, then you won't have to think about politics." -- Some Bell.

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                Agile means delivering something the user asks for; I don't. I deliver a secure an complete product, wich the user doesn't ask for and costs more. The problem is with the idea; you don't build on the wishes of the day. You make an outline of what is needed, and build that. And yes, I still do SDM; it's the only thing that works.

                Bastard Programmer from Hell :suss: "If you just follow the bacon Eddy, wherever it leads you, then you won't have to think about politics." -- Some Bell.

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                Eddy Vluggen wrote:

                Agile means delivering something the user asks for;

                Eddy Vluggen wrote:

                The problem is with the idea

                No, the problem is with your idea of what Agile is.

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                  Eddy Vluggen wrote:

                  Agile means delivering something the user asks for;

                  Eddy Vluggen wrote:

                  The problem is with the idea

                  No, the problem is with your idea of what Agile is.

                  Social Media - A platform that makes it easier for the crazies to find each other. Everyone is born right handed. Only the strongest overcome it. Fight for left-handed rights and hand equality.

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                  ZurdoDev wrote:

                  No, the problem is with your idea of what Agile is.

                  I do; the problem is that you trust FB and twatter more than scientists. And yes, I prefer shoveling shit over dealing with your kind.

                  Bastard Programmer from Hell :suss: "If you just follow the bacon Eddy, wherever it leads you, then you won't have to think about politics." -- Some Bell.

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                    ZurdoDev wrote:

                    No, the problem is with your idea of what Agile is.

                    I do; the problem is that you trust FB and twatter more than scientists. And yes, I prefer shoveling shit over dealing with your kind.

                    Bastard Programmer from Hell :suss: "If you just follow the bacon Eddy, wherever it leads you, then you won't have to think about politics." -- Some Bell.

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                    Eddy Vluggen wrote:

                    the problem is that you trust FB and twatter more than scientists.

                    Not sure what that has to do with Agile. But I suppose in your mind it does. Try as I might, I can't read minds.

                    Eddy Vluggen wrote:

                    I prefer shoveling sh*t over dealing with your kind.

                    What is my kind?

                    Social Media - A platform that makes it easier for the crazies to find each other. Everyone is born right handed. Only the strongest overcome it. Fight for left-handed rights and hand equality.

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                      Eddy Vluggen wrote:

                      the problem is that you trust FB and twatter more than scientists.

                      Not sure what that has to do with Agile. But I suppose in your mind it does. Try as I might, I can't read minds.

                      Eddy Vluggen wrote:

                      I prefer shoveling sh*t over dealing with your kind.

                      What is my kind?

                      Social Media - A platform that makes it easier for the crazies to find each other. Everyone is born right handed. Only the strongest overcome it. Fight for left-handed rights and hand equality.

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                      ZurdoDev wrote:

                      Not sure what that has to do with Agile. But I suppose in your mind it does.

                      Not just my mind; if you disbelieve science then your word isn't valid here.

                      ZurdoDev wrote:

                      What is my kind?

                      A believer; doesn't matter is if you religious, you act like one.

                      Bastard Programmer from Hell :suss: "If you just follow the bacon Eddy, wherever it leads you, then you won't have to think about politics." -- Some Bell.

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                        ZurdoDev wrote:

                        Not sure what that has to do with Agile. But I suppose in your mind it does.

                        Not just my mind; if you disbelieve science then your word isn't valid here.

                        ZurdoDev wrote:

                        What is my kind?

                        A believer; doesn't matter is if you religious, you act like one.

                        Bastard Programmer from Hell :suss: "If you just follow the bacon Eddy, wherever it leads you, then you won't have to think about politics." -- Some Bell.

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                        Eddy Vluggen wrote:

                        if you disbelieve science then your word isn't valid here.

                        Still not sure what this has to do with Agile. Are you suggesting Agile is a scientific process? :confused: Also, you know science is not 100% correct, so anyone who "believes" science blindly is just as foolish as one who ignores science. But not sure why this is even a topic.

                        Eddy Vluggen wrote:

                        doesn't matter is if you religious, you act like one.

                        You're pretty much self-proclaiming to be a bigot now. Congrats. :thumbsup:

                        Social Media - A platform that makes it easier for the crazies to find each other. Everyone is born right handed. Only the strongest overcome it. Fight for left-handed rights and hand equality.

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                          Eddy Vluggen wrote:

                          if you disbelieve science then your word isn't valid here.

                          Still not sure what this has to do with Agile. Are you suggesting Agile is a scientific process? :confused: Also, you know science is not 100% correct, so anyone who "believes" science blindly is just as foolish as one who ignores science. But not sure why this is even a topic.

                          Eddy Vluggen wrote:

                          doesn't matter is if you religious, you act like one.

                          You're pretty much self-proclaiming to be a bigot now. Congrats. :thumbsup:

                          Social Media - A platform that makes it easier for the crazies to find each other. Everyone is born right handed. Only the strongest overcome it. Fight for left-handed rights and hand equality.

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                          ZurdoDev wrote:

                          Still not sure what this has to do with Agile. Are you suggesting Agile is a scientific process? :confused:

                          Never said that.

                          ZurdoDev wrote:

                          Also, you know science is not 100% correct, so anyone who "believes" science blindly is just as foolish as one who ignores science

                          The scientific method is 100% correct, even if measurments aren't. Science does NOT require belief; it can be validated by everyone.

                          ZurdoDev wrote:

                          But not sure why this is even a topic.

                          It isn't a topic. This is just me pissing on you, publicly.

                          ZurdoDev wrote:

                          You're pretty much self-proclaiming to be a bigot now. Congrats. :thumbsup:

                          Look the word up; opposite to you, I do not "believe"; and we need not believe. Since science, we can verify and measure for ourselves. Science is not a belief; it is the end of belief and the beginning of knowledge :thumbsup: As for your complaint that I been targetting you; I was just answering your bullshit. No more. You can spout your drivel freely without me opposing you.

                          Bastard Programmer from Hell :suss: "If you just follow the bacon Eddy, wherever it leads you, then you won't have to think about politics." -- Some Bell.

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