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Microsoft, are you Ctrl-F Crazy?

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  • R raddevus

    I've been using Microsoft Word since at least 1995. I was just attempting to do a Search / Replace and I (of course) hit Ctrl-F (find). Of course, Microsoft in there infinite wisdom has changed that to show some Navigate option thing which is useless (see this snapshot[^]). I'm not sure what the even does. Navigate on a word? What kind of garbage is that? Useless. Search / Replace: Nowhere To Be Found Where is search or search replace? Ctrl-F means FIND in almost every editor known to humans. :wtf: I literally couldn't find it on the Ribbon Bar, in the menus...nowhere. I finally had to search the web to find out how to search / replace[^]. They changed it to CTRL-H -- After 30 years of CTRL-F!?! :wtf: :wtf: :wtf: :wtf: CTRL-H ??? CTRL-H!!! You Freaking Monsters Changed it to CTRL-H!!! I'm done!!

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    Nelek
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    For me CTRL+H has been replace for a long time. PSPad, Notepad++ and other thrid products had it too. And the "Replace" contains the "Find next" since ages too. Please not that I am not defending MS at all. As long as they don't change the F3" as the Search next... I am fine

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    • R raddevus

      I've been using Microsoft Word since at least 1995. I was just attempting to do a Search / Replace and I (of course) hit Ctrl-F (find). Of course, Microsoft in there infinite wisdom has changed that to show some Navigate option thing which is useless (see this snapshot[^]). I'm not sure what the even does. Navigate on a word? What kind of garbage is that? Useless. Search / Replace: Nowhere To Be Found Where is search or search replace? Ctrl-F means FIND in almost every editor known to humans. :wtf: I literally couldn't find it on the Ribbon Bar, in the menus...nowhere. I finally had to search the web to find out how to search / replace[^]. They changed it to CTRL-H -- After 30 years of CTRL-F!?! :wtf: :wtf: :wtf: :wtf: CTRL-H ??? CTRL-H!!! You Freaking Monsters Changed it to CTRL-H!!! I'm done!!

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      OriginalGriff
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      I quite like the Navigation feature - it's kinda like Search-on-steroids when you are used to it. It shows all the instances in a single place, so you don't have to lose where you are in a big document just to check something matches, or has been said already for example.

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      • R raddevus

        I've been using Microsoft Word since at least 1995. I was just attempting to do a Search / Replace and I (of course) hit Ctrl-F (find). Of course, Microsoft in there infinite wisdom has changed that to show some Navigate option thing which is useless (see this snapshot[^]). I'm not sure what the even does. Navigate on a word? What kind of garbage is that? Useless. Search / Replace: Nowhere To Be Found Where is search or search replace? Ctrl-F means FIND in almost every editor known to humans. :wtf: I literally couldn't find it on the Ribbon Bar, in the menus...nowhere. I finally had to search the web to find out how to search / replace[^]. They changed it to CTRL-H -- After 30 years of CTRL-F!?! :wtf: :wtf: :wtf: :wtf: CTRL-H ??? CTRL-H!!! You Freaking Monsters Changed it to CTRL-H!!! I'm done!!

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        megaadam
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        I have been using Libre Office, all the way back since October 2019. I never had such problemz.

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        • N Nelek

          For me CTRL+H has been replace for a long time. PSPad, Notepad++ and other thrid products had it too. And the "Replace" contains the "Find next" since ages too. Please not that I am not defending MS at all. As long as they don't change the F3" as the Search next... I am fine

          M.D.V. ;) If something has a solution... Why do we have to worry about?. If it has no solution... For what reason do we have to worry about? Help me to understand what I'm saying, and I'll explain it better to you Rating helpful answers is nice, but saying thanks can be even nicer.

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          raddevus
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          Nelek wrote:

          Please not that I am not defending MS at all.

          It's fine I"m not anti-Microsoft anyways. I don't mind if anyone wants to defend them. I just can't believe CTRL-F effectively does nothing now. After all these years. :sigh:

          Nelek wrote:

          As long as they don't change the F3" as the Search next... I am fine

          Maybe you are being funny. I'm not sure. But from what I can tell MS-Word does not support F3 as the find next either. Also, CTRL-H being the find replace is fine it's just that I used to get to it by doing CTRL-F and then altering the dialog box. Now CTRL-F seems to do nothing and I just don't understand that.

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          • R raddevus

            Nelek wrote:

            Please not that I am not defending MS at all.

            It's fine I"m not anti-Microsoft anyways. I don't mind if anyone wants to defend them. I just can't believe CTRL-F effectively does nothing now. After all these years. :sigh:

            Nelek wrote:

            As long as they don't change the F3" as the Search next... I am fine

            Maybe you are being funny. I'm not sure. But from what I can tell MS-Word does not support F3 as the find next either. Also, CTRL-H being the find replace is fine it's just that I used to get to it by doing CTRL-F and then altering the dialog box. Now CTRL-F seems to do nothing and I just don't understand that.

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            raddevus wrote:

            I just can't believe CTRL-F effectively does nothing now

            Still works as Find for me... but then I still use Word2003 :-D :laugh: :laugh: Mind you, when I need to FIND in anything my first instinct is to hit F3... but that's a carry-over from IBM mainframe terminals, running ISPF / CICS / ADS-O etc... (F3 seemed at the time to be a truly global standard; that and F1 for help)

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            • R Rage

              Jörgen Andersson wrote:

              I can't send it to you and expect it to work

              I am not entirely sure that's true: Excel files open with german function names on a german system and french function names on a french system. The very same excel files. I never really understood the need of translating the function though...

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              Jorgen Andersson
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              I have a multi language version installed, so I had to test it and you're right. But I have memories of when it didn't work. Wonder when that changed. Or am I possibly more senile than I thought. :doh:

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                raddevus wrote:

                I just can't believe CTRL-F effectively does nothing now

                Still works as Find for me... but then I still use Word2003 :-D :laugh: :laugh: Mind you, when I need to FIND in anything my first instinct is to hit F3... but that's a carry-over from IBM mainframe terminals, running ISPF / CICS / ADS-O etc... (F3 seemed at the time to be a truly global standard; that and F1 for help)

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                raddevus
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                DerekT-P wrote:

                F3 seemed at the time to be a truly global standard; that and F1 for help

                I agree. And yes, F1 meant HELP. :) I remember it was that way on PCs too.

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                • R raddevus

                  I've been using Microsoft Word since at least 1995. I was just attempting to do a Search / Replace and I (of course) hit Ctrl-F (find). Of course, Microsoft in there infinite wisdom has changed that to show some Navigate option thing which is useless (see this snapshot[^]). I'm not sure what the even does. Navigate on a word? What kind of garbage is that? Useless. Search / Replace: Nowhere To Be Found Where is search or search replace? Ctrl-F means FIND in almost every editor known to humans. :wtf: I literally couldn't find it on the Ribbon Bar, in the menus...nowhere. I finally had to search the web to find out how to search / replace[^]. They changed it to CTRL-H -- After 30 years of CTRL-F!?! :wtf: :wtf: :wtf: :wtf: CTRL-H ??? CTRL-H!!! You Freaking Monsters Changed it to CTRL-H!!! I'm done!!

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                  Sander Rossel
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                  Ctrl + H is find and replace as far as I know...

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                  • G g_p_l

                    You ever tried ^F in Outlook - Forward, not Find I love consistency

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                    Vikram A Punathambekar
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                    It's worse than that. Yeah, Ctrl + F is for Forward but only if you are just reading a mail. If you are replying to it (so in edit mode) then Ctrl + F is Find. :|

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                    • Greg UtasG Greg Utas

                      What do you mean, no one uses ^H anymore? Maybe not to backspace, but as a printable character to tell idio^H^H^H^H people what they really think. :laugh:

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                      :laugh: Yeah. Sadly, it only works on people who've been around for a while. Remember when you could drive people crazy by sending a Ctrl-G with NET SEND. and they'd try to figure out why their computer kept DINGing at them?

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                      • G GenJerDan

                        :laugh: Yeah. Sadly, it only works on people who've been around for a while. Remember when you could drive people crazy by sending a Ctrl-G with NET SEND. and they'd try to figure out why their computer kept DINGing at them?

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                        GenJerDan wrote:

                        Remember when you could drive people crazy by sending a Ctrl-G with NET SEND

                        I never did that! :-O

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                        • R Rage

                          Jörgen Andersson wrote:

                          I can't send it to you and expect it to work

                          I am not entirely sure that's true: Excel files open with german function names on a german system and french function names on a french system. The very same excel files. I never really understood the need of translating the function though...

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                          Rage wrote:

                          I never really understood the need of translating the function though...

                          It's so that Jacques and Helmut can write formulas in Excel even if they don't speak english. :rolleyes:

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