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Is Python slowly losing its charm?

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  • P Peter R Fletcher

    On global variables in Python: it is misleading to say, without qualification: "If you define a variable in a file it is global to every function in that file." It is true that if you define and/or use a variable outside a function, it becomes globally visible to 'subsequent' code within the file. It is, however, treated as read-only outside its original scope unless it is specifically declared as global within a function definition. I can see that even the read-only visibility of such variables may be offensive to those to whom the thought of global variables is anathema, but I do not find it so.

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    Peter Adam
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    So, in short, it is the Python way of the singleton pattern?

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    • N NightPen

      Unity used to have boo a python scripting language. No one used it though as Unity also had C#. Me personally I prefer C#.

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      Kolya Ivankov
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      Blender uses python to script its objects. But I for now use Godot since they've included a whole C# support.

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      • T tronderen

        CPallini wrote:

        Scripting languages have their usage.

        Let us limit them to that. The thing is that lots of people live with the misconception that Python is suitable for general problem solving, of arbitrarily complex problems. Scripting languages are meant for scripts, for managing a process (such as the building of a software system). It startet with Job Control Languages, developed into Unix sh and all its derivatives, or .bat files developed into PowerShell. You may see scripting languages such as Python as a further developments of shell concepts. You would never try to solve a complex problem as neither a bash nor PowerShell script. Even with further development of those concepts into Python (and its functional relatives), scripting languages are not suitable for complex problem solving.

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        User 9154661
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        > Python (and its functional relatives), scripting languages are not suitable for complex problem solving. what a ridiculous remark python is used all the time for statistics and machine learning of course it can be used for general problem solving and it can be used for much more that just scripts Blender uses python Django and Flask are python frameworks for web development just read how netflix uses python https://netflixtechblog.com/python-at-netflix-bba45dae649e and they aren't the only big company using python for more than just scripting

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        • 5 5teveH

          There are so many 'articles' these days predicting the rise/fall of pretty much anything. Most are just 'click bait' and I think this is one of them. I don't use Python, (and I'm not a big fan), but I seriously doubt that it's in decline.

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          Kolya Ivankov
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          The article doesn't predict Python's downfall either. Just being a bit critical about unhindered further proliferation as prophesied by python fans.

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          • S swampwiz

            https://towardsdatascience.com/python-is-slowly-losing-its-charm-9ca652726492[^] my opinion: To me, it's always seemed like a toy language like BASIC.

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            Bitbeisser
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            BASIC in most cases was rather useful...

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            • OriginalGriffO OriginalGriff

              I didn't know it ever had any charm. Significant indentation? And tabs / spaces are not equivalent? So you can have two identical looking lines of code but they compile differently? There is no charm here, just confusion and stupidity. X|

              "I have no idea what I did, but I'm taking full credit for it." - ThisOldTony "Common sense is so rare these days, it should be classified as a super power" - Random T-shirt AntiTwitter: @DalekDave is now a follower!

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              Daniel Wilianto
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              Yeah, ending a code block by reducing the indentation one step is a really horrible nightmare and prone to errors, especially when you press ENTER around in your text editor. I would stick to languages that use curly braces.

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              • S swampwiz

                https://towardsdatascience.com/python-is-slowly-losing-its-charm-9ca652726492[^] my opinion: To me, it's always seemed like a toy language like BASIC.

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                SergeiV
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                It is somewhat "C-like" but doesn't contain interoperabilty means (even like #define preprocessor). One cannot reuse his code! Python is a nice toy. Not much more. I'd better say "Python rapidly moves to its place in a language ranking list".

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                • S swampwiz

                  https://towardsdatascience.com/python-is-slowly-losing-its-charm-9ca652726492[^] my opinion: To me, it's always seemed like a toy language like BASIC.

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                  lognormal
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                  Many of the opinions expressed here take a rather narrow view of Python. As one person said, it's like a formatted scripting language. True: but that is a front end for a formidable power-house of resources. It's also a far more accessible scripting language than Perl. I use Python to develop large programs that run AI and Fluid-dynamic simulations. My usual language for that was C/C++, but for me Python opens up the door to accessing massively parallel computing through CUDA and PYTorch. This I can do, in an object-oriented way, without fussing around having to learn CUDA (the modern equivalent of assembler code?). I can easily run 2D hydro simulations on my nVidia card, I can run complex Neural Net programs and, best of all perhaps, I can develop beautiful visualisations. There are several things to regret about design choices in the language. In particular the use of text formatting (indents!) to delineate stretches of code rather than parentheses - that's crazy but I live with it. Upgrades come thick and fast: that's good of course, but does cause problems with backwards compatibility (as in the recent upgrade to Python 3.8). But it's all free - the work of people dedicated to providing a fantastic programming environment. Now programming is fun - maximally creative. Many thanks to all those people.

                  Why make life more difficult than it is?

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                  • S Slacker007

                    I don't think Python is losing its charm as much as people are realizing that programming is not for them. This goes back to a post I made a few days ago, where I said that the world is throwing technology at everyone, hoping many become programmers, engineers, etc. Python was supposed to be the language for the masses. Only problem is, the masses don't like programming.

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                    ScottTheFortranHacker
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                    For those who realize that "programming is not for them," their time is spent learning how to run programs that others have created.

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                    • S swampwiz

                      https://towardsdatascience.com/python-is-slowly-losing-its-charm-9ca652726492[^] my opinion: To me, it's always seemed like a toy language like BASIC.

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                      BotReject
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                      I never really got into Python, everytime I try something about it bores me. It seems to me that it would be good for processing lists which is possibly partly why it's so popular in AI: using numerical methods to update all those nodes seems well suited to Python (though I still prefer Java for this personally). Perhaps it just needs more jazzy tutorials to make it appealing.

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