The learning rush
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"We are what we repeatedly do. Excellence, then, is not an act, but a habit." - Not Aristotle, apparently That only goes for my style though. The actual program tends to change and I change my view of how I want my code to flow. For example, a program I made three years ago still has the traditional three tier architecture. It's completely over factored I think (now, it made sense three years ago). I have one tier that gets entities from the database and puts it in domain classes (not entities, those are DB specific) and then the middle tier passes it on to the controller and the controller translates it to a view model. The middle tier is completely empty most of the time and the domain classes don't do anything either. It's just there because X| To make things worse, since it's all pretty much the same code, I've created some generic base classes that create generic expression trees, so that my data layer can generically query any entity. I may have gone a bit overboard on that one :laugh: My code from last year follows a simpler design, entities are translated directly into view models (and vice versa) and it all happens in the controller. I still have some generic code, but not in my database code. I prefer copy/paste and seemingly duplicity in the name of maintainability. My past project has taught me that just because I have the technical know-how does not mean I have to use it :laugh: I've also been told ex-coworkers (especially the anti-learn) still struggle reading my code (so it's totally worth it!) :laugh: :D The fun part is, that when you look at my naming conventions, member placement, project and class layout, etc. nothing has changed in those past few years :D
honey the codewitch wrote:
unless i have to code against your work I don't care what it looks like. I hope *you* do though, if that makes sense.
I know what you mean. I do care about what your code looks like. I go to bed with it and I wake up with it. Those darned braceless if-statements! :laugh: Or maybe that wasn't what you meant... :rolleyes:
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You are too funny. I mean that. Too funny by half. ;P I want people to take pride in their own code. If they do, and they respect the craft their code will reflect that, style differences aside. That's what I meant.
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You are too funny. I mean that. Too funny by half. ;P I want people to take pride in their own code. If they do, and they respect the craft their code will reflect that, style differences aside. That's what I meant.
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Believe it or not, but I actually knew what you meant. I'm just trolling you :laugh:
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Believe it or not, but I actually knew what you meant. I'm just trolling you :laugh:
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Enough of this gabfest! Don't you lads have any work to do? And for the record, @code-witch, I'll also use a braceless
if, and evenif-else, but it depends. A simpleif(condition)
statement1;
else
statement2;is perfectly clear to me. I'm so thoughtful, injecting new life into your thread. :-D
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I'm sure most of you get it or you wouldn't be developers. We're always accruing new knowledge not just to keep up but to get ahead. I don't know about you but I'm a sponge. I sustain myself on learning things. It's such a rush to challenge myself to do something new or something better. I went from not being able to wire up a 16-pin hitachi interface LCD to building IoT gadgets with them, all the way to doing it for money in under a month, drawing from a hobby I abandoned for programming back when I was a kid. Now I'm doing both. It's seriously challenging me. I haven't used my brain this much in years. It's one thing to learn more in a field you're already familiar with, like when I learned parsing theory. It's another to learn a different, even if related field. That's what I'm doing now. It's all very fun, but now I worry I'm going to get lost in it to the expense of everything else. Can it be an addiction? I wonder.
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Not at first, but eventually, I found out what my aptitudes. They had been expressing themselves since, well, always - but it was accepting what they were and what they weren't that took a while. They more or less fit well with the latin phrase:
Quote:
Aut viam inveniam aut faciam - Hannibal
It has two faces: you can find someone more proficient than I but you will not easily find someone who's better at solving your problems. Basically a lifetime stream of inventions (whether as inventive solutions or actual physical objects). The 'Necessity is the mother of invention' thing does play into it but it isn't always necessity - or maybe better put - it becomes a personal necessity . . . . . . and that's the greatest fun. Coding is fun, but it's somewhat indirect. By the time my fingers start their dance on the keyboard they're following a path already worked out and still evolving. Putting imagination into practice - relaxing; absorbing - playing! Learning new things is a part. Reusing old things in new ways is a part. I'm not even sure there's truly a difference. Something possibly explained when someone tells me I "think outside of the box" and all I can think of as a suitable reply is "what box" ?
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"If you are searching for perfection in others, then you seek disappointment. If you seek perfection in yourself, then you will find failure." - Balboos HaGadol Mar 2010
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I did read that article though, and the main point is the same one I think you made, that what if:
if(foo)
bar();
baz(); // always executedTo which I respond that this has never happened to me that I can recall, in part because VS autoformats code and I hit Ctrl-A,K,D regularly. So it's a solution in search of a problem, at least with my personal code. When I am working on a team I code differently, but it also takes me longer and irritates me.
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if(foo)
bar();
baz(); // always executedIn Python not... :rolleyes: :laugh:
M.D.V. ;) If something has a solution... Why do we have to worry about?. If it has no solution... For what reason do we have to worry about? Help me to understand what I'm saying, and I'll explain it better to you Rating helpful answers is nice, but saying thanks can be even nicer.
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Enough of this gabfest! Don't you lads have any work to do? And for the record, @code-witch, I'll also use a braceless
if, and evenif-else, but it depends. A simpleif(condition)
statement1;
else
statement2;is perfectly clear to me. I'm so thoughtful, injecting new life into your thread. :-D
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Don't you lads have any work to do?
On a Sunday? No :D
Greg Utas wrote:
I'm so thoughtful, injecting new life into your thread.
But do you really want to get involved? Too late for that, you're a part of this now. Prepare to be pitchforked! :D
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I love seeing your sig flash by me in my notifications because even though I can't see all of it in the little blurb it gives me i immediately know the reference and mentally recite it in Johnny Depp's Hunter voice. (say what you will i thought the movie did HST justice)
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I prefer the book but Depp did pretty well in the film - the special effects weren't my experience ( mine were much worse ) when I dabbled in taking that stuff but hey ho. We are coming into bat season very soon...
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Believe it or not, but I actually knew what you meant. I'm just trolling you :laugh:
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Oh I know. It's much more difficult for you to if I treat you like you're not. :laugh:
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if(foo)
bar();
baz(); // always executedIn Python not... :rolleyes: :laugh:
M.D.V. ;) If something has a solution... Why do we have to worry about?. If it has no solution... For what reason do we have to worry about? Help me to understand what I'm saying, and I'll explain it better to you Rating helpful answers is nice, but saying thanks can be even nicer.
Perhaps ironically that's actually the reason I will not use python. I'm serious.
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Not at first, but eventually, I found out what my aptitudes. They had been expressing themselves since, well, always - but it was accepting what they were and what they weren't that took a while. They more or less fit well with the latin phrase:
Quote:
Aut viam inveniam aut faciam - Hannibal
It has two faces: you can find someone more proficient than I but you will not easily find someone who's better at solving your problems. Basically a lifetime stream of inventions (whether as inventive solutions or actual physical objects). The 'Necessity is the mother of invention' thing does play into it but it isn't always necessity - or maybe better put - it becomes a personal necessity . . . . . . and that's the greatest fun. Coding is fun, but it's somewhat indirect. By the time my fingers start their dance on the keyboard they're following a path already worked out and still evolving. Putting imagination into practice - relaxing; absorbing - playing! Learning new things is a part. Reusing old things in new ways is a part. I'm not even sure there's truly a difference. Something possibly explained when someone tells me I "think outside of the box" and all I can think of as a suitable reply is "what box" ?
"The difference between genius and stupidity is that genius has its limits." - Albert Einstein
"If you are searching for perfection in others, then you seek disappointment. If you seek perfection in yourself, then you will find failure." - Balboos HaGadol Mar 2010
W∴ Balboos, GHB wrote:
when someone tells me I "think outside of the box" and all I can think of as a suitable reply is "what box" ?
I can understand that. I have a gift in that area as well but in part because I cheat. I went mad. It helps.
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Enough of this gabfest! Don't you lads have any work to do? And for the record, @code-witch, I'll also use a braceless
if, and evenif-else, but it depends. A simpleif(condition)
statement1;
else
statement2;is perfectly clear to me. I'm so thoughtful, injecting new life into your thread. :-D
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I'm sure most of you get it or you wouldn't be developers. We're always accruing new knowledge not just to keep up but to get ahead. I don't know about you but I'm a sponge. I sustain myself on learning things. It's such a rush to challenge myself to do something new or something better. I went from not being able to wire up a 16-pin hitachi interface LCD to building IoT gadgets with them, all the way to doing it for money in under a month, drawing from a hobby I abandoned for programming back when I was a kid. Now I'm doing both. It's seriously challenging me. I haven't used my brain this much in years. It's one thing to learn more in a field you're already familiar with, like when I learned parsing theory. It's another to learn a different, even if related field. That's what I'm doing now. It's all very fun, but now I worry I'm going to get lost in it to the expense of everything else. Can it be an addiction? I wonder.
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honey the codewitch wrote:
It's all very fun, but now I worry I'm going to get lost in it to the expense of everything else.
There's an "everything else" you have to worry about?
In seriousness I used to live like there wasn't. But that's no way to live, either - getting sucked down every rabbit hole I find is endlessly fascinating, but what about social relationships for example?
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I'm sure most of you get it or you wouldn't be developers. We're always accruing new knowledge not just to keep up but to get ahead. I don't know about you but I'm a sponge. I sustain myself on learning things. It's such a rush to challenge myself to do something new or something better. I went from not being able to wire up a 16-pin hitachi interface LCD to building IoT gadgets with them, all the way to doing it for money in under a month, drawing from a hobby I abandoned for programming back when I was a kid. Now I'm doing both. It's seriously challenging me. I haven't used my brain this much in years. It's one thing to learn more in a field you're already familiar with, like when I learned parsing theory. It's another to learn a different, even if related field. That's what I'm doing now. It's all very fun, but now I worry I'm going to get lost in it to the expense of everything else. Can it be an addiction? I wonder.
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I still like to learn, but I have changed a bit my priorities when I got the kids. I still try to learn tech for my job and private. But I now spend a lot of more time playing with the kids and handicrafting for them or for the house, since I do a lot of basic furniture on my own. My next big tech project will be the automation of my future new house, for what I have a lot of ideas. I will give some of the parts to companies (but I will still learn a bit before to be able to manage a bit or to avoid getting fooled), but I will do some (specially the security parts) myself.
M.D.V. ;) If something has a solution... Why do we have to worry about?. If it has no solution... For what reason do we have to worry about? Help me to understand what I'm saying, and I'll explain it better to you Rating helpful answers is nice, but saying thanks can be even nicer.
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Perhaps ironically that's actually the reason I will not use python. I'm serious.
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honey the codewitch wrote:
Perhaps ironically that's actually the reason I will not use python. I'm serious.
I feel your pain and share your concern. :rolleyes: And I am serious too.
M.D.V. ;) If something has a solution... Why do we have to worry about?. If it has no solution... For what reason do we have to worry about? Help me to understand what I'm saying, and I'll explain it better to you Rating helpful answers is nice, but saying thanks can be even nicer.
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I'm sure most of you get it or you wouldn't be developers. We're always accruing new knowledge not just to keep up but to get ahead. I don't know about you but I'm a sponge. I sustain myself on learning things. It's such a rush to challenge myself to do something new or something better. I went from not being able to wire up a 16-pin hitachi interface LCD to building IoT gadgets with them, all the way to doing it for money in under a month, drawing from a hobby I abandoned for programming back when I was a kid. Now I'm doing both. It's seriously challenging me. I haven't used my brain this much in years. It's one thing to learn more in a field you're already familiar with, like when I learned parsing theory. It's another to learn a different, even if related field. That's what I'm doing now. It's all very fun, but now I worry I'm going to get lost in it to the expense of everything else. Can it be an addiction? I wonder.
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W∴ Balboos, GHB wrote:
when someone tells me I "think outside of the box" and all I can think of as a suitable reply is "what box" ?
I can understand that. I have a gift in that area as well but in part because I cheat. I went mad. It helps.
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Let me feed you a new obsessive imperative: The parser parser. Maybe the wrong name for it but my posts on CP ofttimes reflect the need. The spell checker within most browsers is a parser (no?). The problem is that it will mess with words and change them to other words (or put first char on a new line to UC when it's not appropriate and without even asking). I sometimes look at my posts a little later and sigh about the corrected spelling of the (now) wrong word. So we need a parser to parse the parsed. Or, maybe it's time - your Opus Magnum - akin to "one ring to rule them all" and you make "THE ÜBER-PARSER".
"The difference between genius and stupidity is that genius has its limits." - Albert Einstein
"If you are searching for perfection in others, then you seek disappointment. If you seek perfection in yourself, then you will find failure." - Balboos HaGadol Mar 2010
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Let me feed you a new obsessive imperative: The parser parser. Maybe the wrong name for it but my posts on CP ofttimes reflect the need. The spell checker within most browsers is a parser (no?). The problem is that it will mess with words and change them to other words (or put first char on a new line to UC when it's not appropriate and without even asking). I sometimes look at my posts a little later and sigh about the corrected spelling of the (now) wrong word. So we need a parser to parse the parsed. Or, maybe it's time - your Opus Magnum - akin to "one ring to rule them all" and you make "THE ÜBER-PARSER".
"The difference between genius and stupidity is that genius has its limits." - Albert Einstein
"If you are searching for perfection in others, then you seek disappointment. If you seek perfection in yourself, then you will find failure." - Balboos HaGadol Mar 2010
A parser wouldn't be what you'd use to implement a spell checker unless you were doing weird context sensitive spelling matches. If spellcheckers did that, they'd actually correct using the right words. However, context sensitive parsing is slow and painful and involves things like grammar rewriting on the fly so you can't create optimized tables from it. It's all terribly resource intensive, not really "real-time" (to use the term loosely). There might be better ways to do it using machine learning though. It's a bit outside my wheelhouse but I think the idea of using it here is sound. You'd also need a way to report bad corrections and for people to actually do it, I think. Again, it's not my area of expertise.
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A parser wouldn't be what you'd use to implement a spell checker unless you were doing weird context sensitive spelling matches. If spellcheckers did that, they'd actually correct using the right words. However, context sensitive parsing is slow and painful and involves things like grammar rewriting on the fly so you can't create optimized tables from it. It's all terribly resource intensive, not really "real-time" (to use the term loosely). There might be better ways to do it using machine learning though. It's a bit outside my wheelhouse but I think the idea of using it here is sound. You'd also need a way to report bad corrections and for people to actually do it, I think. Again, it's not my area of expertise.
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Rolling back a bit further into our branch of the thread. Gone "Mad", have you? I've been "different" for a long time - peering out at the world from behind my eyes. There is one realization you may wish to consider. "Normal" is defined by those with the power to do so - basically, the people who "run the world". The world's in pretty bad shape - so, not being considered normal is a clear indication I'm not amongst those who've messed things up. Overall, the above has a single message - if you haven't already, EMBRACE THE MADNESS. Take comfort in it as a loyal companion.
"The difference between genius and stupidity is that genius has its limits." - Albert Einstein
"If you are searching for perfection in others, then you seek disappointment. If you seek perfection in yourself, then you will find failure." - Balboos HaGadol Mar 2010
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Rolling back a bit further into our branch of the thread. Gone "Mad", have you? I've been "different" for a long time - peering out at the world from behind my eyes. There is one realization you may wish to consider. "Normal" is defined by those with the power to do so - basically, the people who "run the world". The world's in pretty bad shape - so, not being considered normal is a clear indication I'm not amongst those who've messed things up. Overall, the above has a single message - if you haven't already, EMBRACE THE MADNESS. Take comfort in it as a loyal companion.
"The difference between genius and stupidity is that genius has its limits." - Albert Einstein
"If you are searching for perfection in others, then you seek disappointment. If you seek perfection in yourself, then you will find failure." - Balboos HaGadol Mar 2010
W∴ Balboos, GHB wrote:
"Normal" is defined by those with the power to do so
Channeling Foucault are we? After my own heart, you are. I've been okay with being different for a long time. And yes, I'm quite mad. Got the certificate and everything. I've always been comfortable with being weird. Being crazy is a different story - some days are better than others, but that's life. On the other hand, because of it I've seen some things nobody else will. I take the good where I can find it. :)
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