I love C where types are basically a suggestion rather than a rule
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I've read this subject line several times now, wanting to point out what's so wrong with it. Anyway, I think you will love Javascript.
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The cast operator is why I can cast my struct directly to an "array" of bytes and stash it in a file. It makes me happy. It's so elegant. So concise. And so dangerous.
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den2k88 wrote:
C++ is ... hard to read and often very hard to write
Am I using it wrong, because I've never had these problems?
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Neither did I, until I discovered I "was using it wrong" and had some "true C++ programmer" abusing templates lambda functions like there was no tomorrow.
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Freedom is the freedom to say that two plus two make four. If that is granted, all else follows. -- 6079 Smith W.
The C++ one is even more accurate when pointers are involved !
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The cast operator is why I can cast my struct directly to an "array" of bytes and stash it in a file. It makes me happy. It's so elegant. So concise. And so dangerous.
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You could always use a union, no need to even cast then (: I wouldn't want to program in C targeting a PC these days; but it is good for 8 & 16 bit embedded work, where you need to get at hardware registers and only have maybe 2K RAM and 16K or 32K ROM.
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The cast operator is why I can cast my struct directly to an "array" of bytes and stash it in a file. It makes me happy. It's so elegant. So concise. And so dangerous.
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If you were using [fwrite](https://en.cppreference.com/w/c/io/fwrite), you wouldn't even need a cast...
Java, Basic, who cares - it's all a bunch of tree-hugging hippy cr*p
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It's good for you - puts hair on your chest.** ** I don't know what to tell if you aren't looking for that. :~
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Dang! I chased FAR too many pointers! :laugh:
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I use unions sometimes, but i only needed the cast in two places in the code that inspired this post, and it was all it was ever going to need. :)
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I really liked being able to cast nearly anything to anything. For a cheap and easy (and not too secure) 'encryption' I'd just do something like:
union {
char * readable;
ulong * notSoMuch;
}and then you can trivially make a string unreadable by storing the int array in a text file (lots of options there, too, spaced or other-delimiters? left-zero-filled? Decryption is obvious - and really no overhead as all - I always though of it as the string and its encrypted version coexisting in different planes of their little universe.
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I really liked being able to cast nearly anything to anything. For a cheap and easy (and not too secure) 'encryption' I'd just do something like:
union {
char * readable;
ulong * notSoMuch;
}and then you can trivially make a string unreadable by storing the int array in a text file (lots of options there, too, spaced or other-delimiters? left-zero-filled? Decryption is obvious - and really no overhead as all - I always though of it as the string and its encrypted version coexisting in different planes of their little universe.
"The difference between genius and stupidity is that genius has its limits." - Albert Einstein
"If you are searching for perfection in others, then you seek disappointment. If you seek perfection in yourself, then you will find failure." - Balboos HaGadol Mar 2010
I use the union technique for that in both C(++) and C#. I don't *always* use it in the former just because i hate declaring new types for one or two lines of code where it will be used. i don't really believe in security by obscurity in most cases, but it may be useful for shrouding source code.
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You could always use a union, no need to even cast then (: I wouldn't want to program in C targeting a PC these days; but it is good for 8 & 16 bit embedded work, where you need to get at hardware registers and only have maybe 2K RAM and 16K or 32K ROM.
I'm coding a microcontroller and technically I'm using C++ but barely because I am avoiding templates and the STL. =(
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I have been using C for+/- 32 years and still like it a lot. The fact that yes, you can do anything, does force you to be very careful what you ask for because you will get it. :-\
It's very satisfying to be back to it after being confined to coding in C# so much.
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The cast operator is why I can cast my struct directly to an "array" of bytes and stash it in a file. It makes me happy. It's so elegant. So concise. And so dangerous.
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I love C where types are basically a suggestion rather than a rule
That doesn't sound like C. The only place in C where types are not enforced are in void pointers. Everywhere else you have to literally force the compiler to accept incorrect types. How is this different from other languages?
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I love C where types are basically a suggestion rather than a rule
That doesn't sound like C. The only place in C where types are not enforced are in void pointers. Everywhere else you have to literally force the compiler to accept incorrect types. How is this different from other languages?
You misunderstand me. I'm not saying C doesn't enforce types. I'm saying if you want to change the type it's enforcing you just have to give it a little nudge. For example
struct S {
int x;
int y;
};...
S s;
s.x=1;
s.y=1;byte* bp = (byte*)&s;
// now i can work on it as a series of bytes
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Neither did I, until I discovered I "was using it wrong" and had some "true C++ programmer" abusing templates lambda functions like there was no tomorrow.
GCS d--(d+) s-/++ a C++++ U+++ P- L+@ E-- W++ N+ o+ K- w+++ O? M-- V? PS+ PE- Y+ PGP t+ 5? X R+++ tv-- b+(+++) DI+++ D++ G e++ h--- r+++ y+++* Weapons extension: ma- k++ F+2 X
Ung! That sucks! I will admit that I'm not a great fan of lambda syntax, but I love what it is capable of. Putting them in templates - major Ungh! I would classify that as template metaprogramming, rather than C++, just so I could live in my happy little C++ bubble!
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The cast operator is why I can cast my struct directly to an "array" of bytes and stash it in a file. It makes me happy. It's so elegant. So concise. And so dangerous.
Real programmers use butterflies
It's power and speed meant no extra weight from seat belts allowed. Just like any language, you learned where and how to be careful. "it corners on like it is on rails! (Pretty Woman)
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I had a legacy program that had void****** as part of a sort routine. It worked, i didn't now how. The guy that wrote it was long gone and i spent a afternoon trying to figure out how it worked. In the end i left it alone.
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some days ago some young collegue casted his enum to mine and I wondered why the program crashed. :~
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C# has been improving a lot in that area. You can take a `Span` of various types (some mostly-reasonable restrictions apply) and use `MemoryMarshal.AsBytes` on it to view it has a `Span`, then stash it in a file or whatever. It's nice. Actually paradoxically it's nicer than in C, because in C# you can actually control the layout of fields to whatever degree you need, so you can use this for file headers that have "unaligned" fields. C# is a better low level language than C.
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Dang! I chased FAR too many pointers! :laugh:
