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  • Greg UtasG Greg Utas

    I've never tried it, but the secret with a duck is explaining the problem in detail so that the duck can solve it.

    Robust Services Core | Software Techniques for Lemmings | Articles
    The fox knows many things, but the hedgehog knows one big thing.

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    honey the codewitch
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    Hmmm. I'm suspicious of ducks in general. I wonder if one wouldn't lead me astray.

    Real programmers use butterflies

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      honey the codewitch wrote:

      Conversely, the not so great developers need most of the help. I'm not sure how to fix that.

      At least from the perspective of Q&A, sometimes the answer is clear:     euthanasia.

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      "The difference between genius and stupidity is that genius has its limits." - Albert Einstein

      "If you are searching for perfection in others, then you seek disappointment. If you seek perfection in yourself, then you will find failure." - Balboos HaGadol Mar 2010

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      honey the codewitch
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      This reminds me of what my husband used to say back when we were teenagery and he worked helldesk at the local community college. He said he had a paperclip for rebooting the imacs and an icepick for rebooting their users. :-\

      Real programmers use butterflies

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        Hmmm. I'm suspicious of ducks in general. I wonder if one wouldn't lead me astray.

        Real programmers use butterflies

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        The duck is your alter ego and confidant, so I doubt it!

        Robust Services Core | Software Techniques for Lemmings | Articles
        The fox knows many things, but the hedgehog knows one big thing.

        <p><a href="https://github.com/GregUtas/robust-services-core/blob/master/README.md">Robust Services Core</a>
        <em>The fox knows many things, but the hedgehog knows one big thing.</em></p>

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        • Greg UtasG Greg Utas

          The duck is your alter ego and confidant, so I doubt it!

          Robust Services Core | Software Techniques for Lemmings | Articles
          The fox knows many things, but the hedgehog knows one big thing.

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          Yeah I have one of those. It taught me to read at 3. A shrink called it a "partially integrated identity" or some such, but they like to label crazy. I just call it Scout. When it first came to me I didn't give it a name. It's very helpful, and maybe where most of my intellectual and particularly my analytical heft comes from. I bury it in the wiring for years at a time but it's still there doing stuff, I'm sure, because I don't get stupid when it's "gone." Or maybe I'm just loopy. That's as likely. Whatever. It helps me code and build stuff. I like that.

          Real programmers use butterflies

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          • H honey the codewitch

            The better developer you are, the better questions you will ask. Conversely, the not so great developers need most of the help. I'm not sure how to fix that. :sigh:

            Real programmers use butterflies

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            Lost User
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            Actually, it's our future managers ... and developers. "You still programming? I'm gonna be an Analyst! or manager .."

            It was only in wine that he laid down no limit for himself, but he did not allow himself to be confused by it. ― Confucian Analects: Rules of Confucius about his food

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              The better developer you are, the better questions you will ask. Conversely, the not so great developers need most of the help. I'm not sure how to fix that. :sigh:

              Real programmers use butterflies

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              ormonds
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              So, my questions is - how do I ask a good question?

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                The better developer you are, the better questions you will ask. Conversely, the not so great developers need most of the help. I'm not sure how to fix that. :sigh:

                Real programmers use butterflies

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                Even the not-so-great developers seem to be in short supply these days. They're increasingly getting drowned out by the "do my work for me" brigade. :sigh: IIRC, we used to get the occasional no-effort homework assignment posted between the genuine questions. Recently it seems to be the other way round. And usually multiple copies of the same homework assignment, because half the class is too lazy to think for themselves.


                "These people looked deep within my soul and assigned me a number based on the order in which I joined." - Homer

                "These people looked deep within my soul and assigned me a number based on the order in which I joined" - Homer

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                  Often, as I describe the problem or the vague plan of attack it seems to solve itself along the way. That was one good thing when (1) I was working in the office, and (2) there actually was (at least) a second developer around. Oddly, still occurs if I'm typing the same mess into an email trying to describe the plan, the obstacles. and the options to remove/evade them.

                  Ravings en masse^

                  "The difference between genius and stupidity is that genius has its limits." - Albert Einstein

                  "If you are searching for perfection in others, then you seek disappointment. If you seek perfection in yourself, then you will find failure." - Balboos HaGadol Mar 2010

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                  PhilipOakley
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                  It's send the email that usually unblocks the problem. The tension is gone and suddenly one is using all the right search words!

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                    This reminds me of what my husband used to say back when we were teenagery and he worked helldesk at the local community college. He said he had a paperclip for rebooting the imacs and an icepick for rebooting their users. :-\

                    Real programmers use butterflies

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                    W Balboos GHB
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                    I was alomost going to post something "he's a man after my own heart", but then I realized that in the case of imacs I'd need to soak in in brine overnight, first. (Aside from avoiding the waste of a perfectly good paperclip).

                    Ravings en masse^

                    "The difference between genius and stupidity is that genius has its limits." - Albert Einstein

                    "If you are searching for perfection in others, then you seek disappointment. If you seek perfection in yourself, then you will find failure." - Balboos HaGadol Mar 2010

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                    • H honey the codewitch

                      Does a rubber chicken work? I could wave it over my code

                      Real programmers use butterflies

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                      RandMan7557
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                      No, a real chicken is required

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                        No, a real chicken is required

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                        honey the codewitch
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                        HR warned me off of doing that again. :(

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                          It's send the email that usually unblocks the problem. The tension is gone and suddenly one is using all the right search words!

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                          honey the codewitch
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                          Yes. This. :rolleyes:

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                            It's send the email that usually unblocks the problem. The tension is gone and suddenly one is using all the right search words!

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                            W Balboos GHB
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                            Not search words - describing the problem in text (or verbally) somehow condenses it to something that offers options (or eliminates them, also good). If I were to blame it on any particular concept it would be the need to "crystallize" the problem instead of letting it float around as a nebulous adversary. I couldn't say how that improves things - or for that matter, if it's the path from one mode to the other that does it. Or, maybe just flapping my gum?

                            Ravings en masse^

                            "The difference between genius and stupidity is that genius has its limits." - Albert Einstein

                            "If you are searching for perfection in others, then you seek disappointment. If you seek perfection in yourself, then you will find failure." - Balboos HaGadol Mar 2010

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                              Not search words - describing the problem in text (or verbally) somehow condenses it to something that offers options (or eliminates them, also good). If I were to blame it on any particular concept it would be the need to "crystallize" the problem instead of letting it float around as a nebulous adversary. I couldn't say how that improves things - or for that matter, if it's the path from one mode to the other that does it. Or, maybe just flapping my gum?

                              Ravings en masse^

                              "The difference between genius and stupidity is that genius has its limits." - Albert Einstein

                              "If you are searching for perfection in others, then you seek disappointment. If you seek perfection in yourself, then you will find failure." - Balboos HaGadol Mar 2010

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                              PhilipOakley
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                              I find that having managed to describe the problem, and plucked up the courage to send/post the query, that up re-reading the sent message, in a more relaxed state, some key phrase that I used can be searched for (OK so it's Google, but there are others). Usually that search then comes up with a lot better answers, or at least clarifiers, for the problem. Essentially it's a bit of Analysis Paralysis that stops one from 'seeing the woods for the trees' (or is that 'wood for the trees'?) while preparing the description, but once sent, the relaxation allows me to finally see the core part. It's that while the problem has been 'crystallised', it's still buried in the dirt of the broader message. The old 20/20 hindsight!

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                              • H honey the codewitch

                                Hmmm. I'm suspicious of ducks in general. I wonder if one wouldn't lead me astray.

                                Real programmers use butterflies

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                                Daniel Pfeffer
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                                The rubber duck is your familiar, mediating between you and the Powers that enable you to program. At times the S/N ratio on the channel goes too low, so the Powers cannot get through. It is then that giving your duck some attention (and a small sacrifice, e.g. your firstborn...) can really pay off. Get on the wrong side of your duck, and you will program nevermore! :D Is that "New Agey" enough, or should I insert some psychobabble as well?

                                Freedom is the freedom to say that two plus two make four. If that is granted, all else follows. -- 6079 Smith W.

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                                  The rubber duck is your familiar, mediating between you and the Powers that enable you to program. At times the S/N ratio on the channel goes too low, so the Powers cannot get through. It is then that giving your duck some attention (and a small sacrifice, e.g. your firstborn...) can really pay off. Get on the wrong side of your duck, and you will program nevermore! :D Is that "New Agey" enough, or should I insert some psychobabble as well?

                                  Freedom is the freedom to say that two plus two make four. If that is granted, all else follows. -- 6079 Smith W.

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                                  honey the codewitch
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                                  Okay, I can make some sense of that. I would have pictured a cat though. I have a black one who is slightly cross eyed and whose tail and ears are too big for the rest of him. He is my familiar. What do I tell him? :sigh:

                                  Real programmers use butterflies

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                                  • W W Balboos GHB

                                    Often, as I describe the problem or the vague plan of attack it seems to solve itself along the way. That was one good thing when (1) I was working in the office, and (2) there actually was (at least) a second developer around. Oddly, still occurs if I'm typing the same mess into an email trying to describe the plan, the obstacles. and the options to remove/evade them.

                                    Ravings en masse^

                                    "The difference between genius and stupidity is that genius has its limits." - Albert Einstein

                                    "If you are searching for perfection in others, then you seek disappointment. If you seek perfection in yourself, then you will find failure." - Balboos HaGadol Mar 2010

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                                    For a long time I've said that my superpower is that people ask me for help. Then, without me doing anything, the problem is solved. This was awesome when I worked a job doing desktop support via phone. Now you've made me question if it was my superpower or the other people's. Bond Keep all things as simple as possible, but no simpler. -said someone, somewhere

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                                      For a long time I've said that my superpower is that people ask me for help. Then, without me doing anything, the problem is solved. This was awesome when I worked a job doing desktop support via phone. Now you've made me question if it was my superpower or the other people's. Bond Keep all things as simple as possible, but no simpler. -said someone, somewhere

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                                      W Balboos GHB
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                                      Keeping it simple: who that someone was.[^] Actually it was neither your super power nor theirs. Just a bit of 'runoff' from my super powers.

                                      Ravings en masse^

                                      "The difference between genius and stupidity is that genius has its limits." - Albert Einstein

                                      "If you are searching for perfection in others, then you seek disappointment. If you seek perfection in yourself, then you will find failure." - Balboos HaGadol Mar 2010

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                                      • W W Balboos GHB

                                        Not search words - describing the problem in text (or verbally) somehow condenses it to something that offers options (or eliminates them, also good). If I were to blame it on any particular concept it would be the need to "crystallize" the problem instead of letting it float around as a nebulous adversary. I couldn't say how that improves things - or for that matter, if it's the path from one mode to the other that does it. Or, maybe just flapping my gum?

                                        Ravings en masse^

                                        "The difference between genius and stupidity is that genius has its limits." - Albert Einstein

                                        "If you are searching for perfection in others, then you seek disappointment. If you seek perfection in yourself, then you will find failure." - Balboos HaGadol Mar 2010

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                                        I think it's that you try to describe precisely, completely, what's - oh no, that's not quite right - ( and correcting yourself ) - and trying to give a clear explanation - and finding you were thinking wrong there or... Yeah, examining both the overall and the details. And each part of the explanation you think about and correct as you give it. ( At least that's how my brain dis-functions. )

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                                          I think it's that you try to describe precisely, completely, what's - oh no, that's not quite right - ( and correcting yourself ) - and trying to give a clear explanation - and finding you were thinking wrong there or... Yeah, examining both the overall and the details. And each part of the explanation you think about and correct as you give it. ( At least that's how my brain dis-functions. )

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                                          W Balboos GHB
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                                          Not a bad description.

                                          Ravings en masse^

                                          "The difference between genius and stupidity is that genius has its limits." - Albert Einstein

                                          "If you are searching for perfection in others, then you seek disappointment. If you seek perfection in yourself, then you will find failure." - Balboos HaGadol Mar 2010

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