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If today, you had a computer like C64, would you love it to start with BASIC or there is an other language you would prefer for the prompt?
"The only place where Success comes before Work is in the dictionary." Vidal Sassoon, 1928 - 2012
BASIC for sure ! These were cool times !
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If today, you had a computer like C64, would you love it to start with BASIC or there is an other language you would prefer for the prompt?
"The only place where Success comes before Work is in the dictionary." Vidal Sassoon, 1928 - 2012
The main point of those early computers was that Basic was integrated into the shell. This allowed the programmer to start programming without the intermediate steps of opening an editor, saving and then either compiling & running, or interpreting the program. As far as programming languages are concerned, I would prefer something more structured, for example Pascal. I'm not sure how you'd integrate that with the shell, though.
Freedom is the freedom to say that two plus two make four. If that is granted, all else follows. -- 6079 Smith W.
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Of course, not. But I think the generation that started without the luxury of IDEs gained something the youngers have not. The fact that you had only assembly for serious use and BASIC for playing around forced you to learn (and not event internet :sigh:)... So if you had the same experience today (as being beginner) would BASIC do it or maybe another language we have today would work better?
"The only place where Success comes before Work is in the dictionary." Vidal Sassoon, 1928 - 2012
No, because Basic teaches you bad habits that become engrained. Go with a strongly typed language if you want to develop seriously, weakly typed if you want to play at it (and don't mind the computer getting it wrong in annoying ways from time to time). C# is a good starter language for people who want to do this for a living! :-D
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The main point of those early computers was that Basic was integrated into the shell. This allowed the programmer to start programming without the intermediate steps of opening an editor, saving and then either compiling & running, or interpreting the program. As far as programming languages are concerned, I would prefer something more structured, for example Pascal. I'm not sure how you'd integrate that with the shell, though.
Freedom is the freedom to say that two plus two make four. If that is granted, all else follows. -- 6079 Smith W.
BASIC came on built-in ROM chips, there's nothing stopping them do PASCAL or any other language.
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If today, you had a computer like C64, would you love it to start with BASIC or there is an other language you would prefer for the prompt?
"The only place where Success comes before Work is in the dictionary." Vidal Sassoon, 1928 - 2012
I have a C64 and an equally aged BASIC manual... both a few years older than I. :^) But to answer the question: BASIC.
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If today, you had a computer like C64, would you love it to start with BASIC or there is an other language you would prefer for the prompt?
"The only place where Success comes before Work is in the dictionary." Vidal Sassoon, 1928 - 2012
I never really programmed in BASIC - my soul is clean and unfettered by guilt. That long ago, the only real language I knew was FORTRAN.
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If today, you had a computer like C64, would you love it to start with BASIC or there is an other language you would prefer for the prompt?
"The only place where Success comes before Work is in the dictionary." Vidal Sassoon, 1928 - 2012
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VB6
Then this[^] might be for you :rolleyes: :)
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If today, you had a computer like C64, would you love it to start with BASIC or there is an other language you would prefer for the prompt?
"The only place where Success comes before Work is in the dictionary." Vidal Sassoon, 1928 - 2012
saw this for sale on an auction site the other day. If you want to bid on it. I will pick it up and ship it to you. or you can pay them to ship it to you. You have to pay for it either way. Commodre 64 Okimate | West Central Sales and Auction Co[^] Then you can find out what you would want.
To err is human to really mess up you need a computer
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No, because Basic teaches you bad habits that become engrained. Go with a strongly typed language if you want to develop seriously, weakly typed if you want to play at it (and don't mind the computer getting it wrong in annoying ways from time to time). C# is a good starter language for people who want to do this for a living! :-D
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OriginalGriff wrote:
C# is a good starter language for people who want to do this for a living! :-D
But did we knew that we will do it for a living (if that's what you call it)? We all were playing around... and showing off...
"The only place where Success comes before Work is in the dictionary." Vidal Sassoon, 1928 - 2012
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saw this for sale on an auction site the other day. If you want to bid on it. I will pick it up and ship it to you. or you can pay them to ship it to you. You have to pay for it either way. Commodre 64 Okimate | West Central Sales and Auction Co[^] Then you can find out what you would want.
To err is human to really mess up you need a computer
I had several year of intimate life with C64 - including burning chips and banging my head on it... Today I user emulators when feel the urge...
"The only place where Success comes before Work is in the dictionary." Vidal Sassoon, 1928 - 2012
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UCSD Pascal was an integrated system, running on a variety of Z80 and 6502 based system. Pretty good system! Not too fast, using a P-code as "VM". So, one could do better than Basic
Far, far better. I had it for my Apple ][+.
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BASIC came on built-in ROM chips, there's nothing stopping them do PASCAL or any other language.
The issue isn't the implementation of the language, but the integration with the shell. Pascal, for example, requires much more in the way of preliminary definitions that BASIC does (e.g. PRINT "Hello, World" is a legal BASIC statement, but Writeln("Hello, World"); requires all kinds of boilerplate).
Freedom is the freedom to say that two plus two make four. If that is granted, all else follows. -- 6079 Smith W.
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I had several year of intimate life with C64 - including burning chips and banging my head on it... Today I user emulators when feel the urge...
"The only place where Success comes before Work is in the dictionary." Vidal Sassoon, 1928 - 2012
Kornfeld Eliyahu Peter wrote:
Today I user emulators when feel the urge...
That's probably what I should have stuck with. A few years ago I bought the C64 Mini. Thought it was neat, played with it for a few hours (total), but it's currently gathering dust. Then I bought an actual working C64 off of some eBay-like site. Works fine, the guy I bought it from threw in a few game disks, but my problem is the display. I can hook it up to my main monitor, but don't have the room on my desk to dedicate to it. And I'd have to buy some other display or adapter if I wanted to set it up elsewhere. So it's also gathering dust. Then the company that made the C64 Mini made a full-sized one, with a working keyboard. I've been tempted to get it (it would solve the display connectivity issue, as it's using HDMI, like the Mini) but I suspect it'll gather dust as well.
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The issue isn't the implementation of the language, but the integration with the shell. Pascal, for example, requires much more in the way of preliminary definitions that BASIC does (e.g. PRINT "Hello, World" is a legal BASIC statement, but Writeln("Hello, World"); requires all kinds of boilerplate).
Freedom is the freedom to say that two plus two make four. If that is granted, all else follows. -- 6079 Smith W.
Not sure what boilerplate you're referring to, the examples I see online don't have any, but regardless in BASIC you constructed programs using lines so 10 print "Hello" 20 goto 10 That doesn't preclude having boilerplate code.
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If today, you had a computer like C64, would you love it to start with BASIC or there is an other language you would prefer for the prompt?
"The only place where Success comes before Work is in the dictionary." Vidal Sassoon, 1928 - 2012
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If today, you had a computer like C64, would you love it to start with BASIC or there is an other language you would prefer for the prompt?
"The only place where Success comes before Work is in the dictionary." Vidal Sassoon, 1928 - 2012
Assembler - and I did way back then!
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If today, you had a computer like C64, would you love it to start with BASIC or there is an other language you would prefer for the prompt?
"The only place where Success comes before Work is in the dictionary." Vidal Sassoon, 1928 - 2012
I grew up on Input magazine [^] , spent countless hours typing hex assembly into ZX81, ZX Spectrum and C64. it certainly teaches you attention to detail. ;P
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No, because Basic teaches you bad habits that become engrained. Go with a strongly typed language if you want to develop seriously, weakly typed if you want to play at it (and don't mind the computer getting it wrong in annoying ways from time to time). C# is a good starter language for people who want to do this for a living! :-D
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Sorry to disagree... The BASIC that came on the C64, TRS-80, Sinclair etc. had only one bad habit, the GOTO instruction! I can't swear to the others, but you HAD to type variables in TRS-80 BASIC, and there was so little memory available that the size of every variable was important. You had to do your own memory management too, e.g. re-use variables rather than just declaring new ones etc. All in all it taught me a more good practice than bad. I seem to remember that sloppy typing and variants only appeared very much later in VB?
So old that I did my first coding in octal via switches on a DEC PDP 8
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If today, you had a computer like C64, would you love it to start with BASIC or there is an other language you would prefer for the prompt?
"The only place where Success comes before Work is in the dictionary." Vidal Sassoon, 1928 - 2012
If I remember well it would also run Turbo Pascal.
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