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You underestimate the power of AI. Answer: "Ask Siri, she knows"
If you can keep your head while those about you are losing theirs, perhaps you don't understand the situation.
I won't have one of those shameless hussies in my home! At the very least, I have a wife - one female voiced entity awaiting an opportunity to pounce is all I can handle
"The difference between genius and stupidity is that genius has its limits." - Albert Einstein
"If you are searching for perfection in others, then you seek disappointment. If you seek perfection in yourself, then you will find failure." - Balboos HaGadol Mar 2010
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I won't have one of those shameless hussies in my home! At the very least, I have a wife - one female voiced entity awaiting an opportunity to pounce is all I can handle
"The difference between genius and stupidity is that genius has its limits." - Albert Einstein
"If you are searching for perfection in others, then you seek disappointment. If you seek perfection in yourself, then you will find failure." - Balboos HaGadol Mar 2010
I got you, 3 to 1. I have 2 daughters. No, make it 4 to 1. Almost forgot the granddaughter. Genius: The guy who put the mute button on hearing aids.
If you can keep your head while those about you are losing theirs, perhaps you don't understand the situation.
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W∴ Balboos, GHB wrote:
Now I am contract manager for Agile projects
I don't believe: do you really dislike Agile? I am trying to convince you to like it. In software development, agile practices approach discovering requirements and developing solutions through the collaborative effort of self-organizing and cross-functional teams and their customer(s)/end user(s).It advocates adaptive planning, evolutionary development, early delivery, and continual improvement, and it encourages flexible responses to change. Which one of these beautiful Agile goodies looks like complete crap?
Agile like all these 'processes' is great if people do it properly and stick to it throughout the project. But in my experience, after a few meetings everyone loses focus, or other pressures are put on people. The result is that they do "agile lite", which is as good as not doing it at all. I have never seen (in 40+ years) a project following any of these processes that actually delivered what it promised.
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You mean that I am personally responsible for that many people failing courses, and not joining the workforce as developers? :omg: Do I get a medal? :laugh:
"I have no idea what I did, but I'm taking full credit for it." - ThisOldTony "Common sense is so rare these days, it should be classified as a super power" - Random T-shirt AntiTwitter: @DalekDave is now a follower!
No, but you have become part of the process of weeding out the duds.
I have lived with several Zen masters - all of them were cats. His last invention was an evil Lasagna. It didn't kill anyone, and it actually tasted pretty good.
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You underestimate the power of AI. Answer: "Ask Siri, she knows"
If you can keep your head while those about you are losing theirs, perhaps you don't understand the situation.
Here we see again how important artificial intelligence can be to the naturally dumb.
I have lived with several Zen masters - all of them were cats. His last invention was an evil Lasagna. It didn't kill anyone, and it actually tasted pretty good.
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W∴ Balboos, GHB wrote:
Now I am contract manager for Agile projects
I don't believe: do you really dislike Agile? I am trying to convince you to like it. In software development, agile practices approach discovering requirements and developing solutions through the collaborative effort of self-organizing and cross-functional teams and their customer(s)/end user(s).It advocates adaptive planning, evolutionary development, early delivery, and continual improvement, and it encourages flexible responses to change. Which one of these beautiful Agile goodies looks like complete crap?
Never having used Agile--my salaried days predate it--I will make some observations. Let's start with this. A process will not produce good software without skilled developers. But skilled developers will produce good software without a process, though a process can help them work more effectively.
In software development, agile practices approach discovering requirements and developing solutions through the collaborative effort of self-organizing and cross-functional teams and their customer(s)/end user(s).
Discovering requirements, yes. Developing solutions iteratively, yes. But those who don't write code have nothing to do with development except providing user feedback. And cross-functional activity must be managed, lest it significantly increase the number of lines of communication and totally busy people out responding to every twit who invokes their name.
It advocates adaptive planning, evolutionary development,
no different than any software process, because the nature of software is evolution
early delivery,
as long as everyone understands what alpha and beta releases are
and continual improvement, and it encourages flexible responses to change.
again, no different than any software process
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W∴ Balboos, GHB wrote:
Now I am contract manager for Agile projects
I don't believe: do you really dislike Agile? I am trying to convince you to like it. In software development, agile practices approach discovering requirements and developing solutions through the collaborative effort of self-organizing and cross-functional teams and their customer(s)/end user(s).It advocates adaptive planning, evolutionary development, early delivery, and continual improvement, and it encourages flexible responses to change. Which one of these beautiful Agile goodies looks like complete crap?
They talk the talk, but don't know how to walk. Scraps for beggars (users); one scrap at a time. An elephant is like a snake, except it isn't. But Agile says to focus on the snake; then the tree stump; etc. until you have not the elephant the user wanted. Agile is like web development. One grotesque mismatched part after another. One "trains" to be agile; you don't know Agile until you've done it; but it doesn't work "as described" out of the box. (i.e. no experience, you'll never get agile / Agile).
It was only in wine that he laid down no limit for himself, but he did not allow himself to be confused by it. ― Confucian Analects: Rules of Confucius about his food
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Who will be doing the A's for the Q's ? Well - the only ones left will be the current Q&A Posters. That, of course, leads me to this simulation: Question: Help me. I need to get my code done by this afternoon. I don't know where to start. What I have tried: Help me. I need to get my code done by this afternoon. I don't know where to start. Answer 1: I recall having the same homework question when I was a student. My solution was to post it at the CodeProject.com and ask for the answer, too. Answer 2: I recall having the same homework question when I was a student. I never got a posted reply to do any of my homework all semester, except this guy, Original Griff, and he'd tell me to do my own homework. so I failed the course. Now I am contract manager for Agile projects
"The difference between genius and stupidity is that genius has its limits." - Albert Einstein
"If you are searching for perfection in others, then you seek disappointment. If you seek perfection in yourself, then you will find failure." - Balboos HaGadol Mar 2010
W∴ Balboos, GHB wrote:
Well - the only ones left will be the current Q&A Posters.
That's a scary thought. :~
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W∴ Balboos, GHB wrote:
Now I am contract manager for Agile projects
I don't believe: do you really dislike Agile? I am trying to convince you to like it. In software development, agile practices approach discovering requirements and developing solutions through the collaborative effort of self-organizing and cross-functional teams and their customer(s)/end user(s).It advocates adaptive planning, evolutionary development, early delivery, and continual improvement, and it encourages flexible responses to change. Which one of these beautiful Agile goodies looks like complete crap?
11917640 Member wrote:
Which one of these beautiful Agile goodies looks like complete crap?
The ones where managers say "we don't need a planning because we're doing agile!" and "we're going to adopt an agile approach, but we really need it done by [insert specific date]." Another classic, switching priorities every other day because "we're agile". Also a favorite, "we're doing agile so you're self-managing teams [I'll be out on the golf court]." :laugh:
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Never having used Agile--my salaried days predate it--I will make some observations. Let's start with this. A process will not produce good software without skilled developers. But skilled developers will produce good software without a process, though a process can help them work more effectively.
In software development, agile practices approach discovering requirements and developing solutions through the collaborative effort of self-organizing and cross-functional teams and their customer(s)/end user(s).
Discovering requirements, yes. Developing solutions iteratively, yes. But those who don't write code have nothing to do with development except providing user feedback. And cross-functional activity must be managed, lest it significantly increase the number of lines of communication and totally busy people out responding to every twit who invokes their name.
It advocates adaptive planning, evolutionary development,
no different than any software process, because the nature of software is evolution
early delivery,
as long as everyone understands what alpha and beta releases are
and continual improvement, and it encourages flexible responses to change.
again, no different than any software process
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The fox knows many things, but the hedgehog knows one big thing.Greg Utas wrote:
as long as everyone understands what alpha and beta releases are
Microsoft do, though they use different names. "RTM" is "Alpha", "SP1" is "Beta", ... :-D
"I have no idea what I did, but I'm taking full credit for it." - ThisOldTony "Common sense is so rare these days, it should be classified as a super power" - Random T-shirt AntiTwitter: @DalekDave is now a follower!
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They talk the talk, but don't know how to walk. Scraps for beggars (users); one scrap at a time. An elephant is like a snake, except it isn't. But Agile says to focus on the snake; then the tree stump; etc. until you have not the elephant the user wanted. Agile is like web development. One grotesque mismatched part after another. One "trains" to be agile; you don't know Agile until you've done it; but it doesn't work "as described" out of the box. (i.e. no experience, you'll never get agile / Agile).
It was only in wine that he laid down no limit for himself, but he did not allow himself to be confused by it. ― Confucian Analects: Rules of Confucius about his food
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No, but you have become part of the process of weeding out the duds.
I have lived with several Zen masters - all of them were cats. His last invention was an evil Lasagna. It didn't kill anyone, and it actually tasted pretty good.
H G Wells: War of the Worlds (opening lines) No one would have believed, in the last years of the nineteenth century, that human affairs were being watched keenly and closely by intelligences greater than man's and yet as mortal as his own; that as men busied themselves about their affairs they were scrutinized and studied, perhaps as narrowly as a man with a microscope might scrutinize the transient creatures that swarm and multiply in a drop of water. Code Project: No one would have believed, in the first years of the twenty first century, that Q&A questions were being watched keenly and closely by intelligences greater than man's and yet as mortal as his own; that as men busied themselves about their affairs they were scrutinized and studied, perhaps as narrowly as a man with a microscope might scrutinize the transient creatures that swarm and multiply in a drop of water.
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W∴ Balboos, GHB wrote:
Now I am contract manager for Agile projects
I don't believe: do you really dislike Agile? I am trying to convince you to like it. In software development, agile practices approach discovering requirements and developing solutions through the collaborative effort of self-organizing and cross-functional teams and their customer(s)/end user(s).It advocates adaptive planning, evolutionary development, early delivery, and continual improvement, and it encourages flexible responses to change. Which one of these beautiful Agile goodies looks like complete crap?
"discovering requirements and developing solutions through the collaborative effort"; well yes, unless you're a lone worker (I am) then you're in a team, and this is what "team" means. Even if you're a lone worker, then you and the customer are a team - always have been, always will be. (Increasingly I'm my own customer! :) :laugh: ) "adaptive planning"; if project management doesn't adapt, it's not "planning", it was a plan. By definition, "planning" is ongoing and can therefore safely be understood to be adaptive. "evolutionary development"; again, a tautology really. Unless you write a single line of code that completes the solution, it's an evolving solution. "early delivery"; no shit, Sherlock. Which project management methodologies advocate late delivery? "continual improvement". Well, I'm sure we have, as a species, always wanted to learn from our mistakes, and thereby continually improve. Right now, we're improving on "agile". "flexible responses to change". Does "flexible" mean sometimes saying "no"? Hopefully... I could apply the above description of Agile to any of the development paradigms I've had to work under in the past 40 years. They could all be summarised as "listen to the customer, help each other, and learn as you go".
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W∴ Balboos, GHB wrote:
Now I am contract manager for Agile projects
I don't believe: do you really dislike Agile? I am trying to convince you to like it. In software development, agile practices approach discovering requirements and developing solutions through the collaborative effort of self-organizing and cross-functional teams and their customer(s)/end user(s).It advocates adaptive planning, evolutionary development, early delivery, and continual improvement, and it encourages flexible responses to change. Which one of these beautiful Agile goodies looks like complete crap?
Bollocks. Collaboration is a waste of time. It usually devolves to extended meetings discussing the best color for a specific button.
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Agile like all these 'processes' is great if people do it properly and stick to it throughout the project. But in my experience, after a few meetings everyone loses focus, or other pressures are put on people. The result is that they do "agile lite", which is as good as not doing it at all. I have never seen (in 40+ years) a project following any of these processes that actually delivered what it promised.
> Agile like all these 'processes' is great if people do it properly and stick to it throughout the project. sounds like class oriented programming. > I have never seen (in 40+ years) a project following any of these processes that actually delivered what it promised. my experience is different. i have never seen (in 30+ years) any of these processes that actually delivered what it promised.
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W∴ Balboos, GHB wrote:
Now I am contract manager for Agile projects
I don't believe: do you really dislike Agile? I am trying to convince you to like it. In software development, agile practices approach discovering requirements and developing solutions through the collaborative effort of self-organizing and cross-functional teams and their customer(s)/end user(s).It advocates adaptive planning, evolutionary development, early delivery, and continual improvement, and it encourages flexible responses to change. Which one of these beautiful Agile goodies looks like complete crap?
I believe Agile is a pipe dream. In theory, it's the best, but in practice it falls far short. I attribute this disconnect, at it's origins, to a complete bastardization of the paper that started it all, The New New Product Development Game (Harvard Press, 1984), which doesn't mention scrum (a rugby term) but does mention rugby. They basically said that new innovations to existing products could be produced faster/better if 1) a small interdisciplinary team worked together, 2) management gave them goals and then got out of the way, and 3) the team was free to take risks. What we got was Agile/Scrum, which is basically a management control layer used for new and existing products where risks are avoided. Completely not the same thing. Bond Keep all things as simple as possible, but no simpler. -said someone, somewhere
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Who will be doing the A's for the Q's ? Well - the only ones left will be the current Q&A Posters. That, of course, leads me to this simulation: Question: Help me. I need to get my code done by this afternoon. I don't know where to start. What I have tried: Help me. I need to get my code done by this afternoon. I don't know where to start. Answer 1: I recall having the same homework question when I was a student. My solution was to post it at the CodeProject.com and ask for the answer, too. Answer 2: I recall having the same homework question when I was a student. I never got a posted reply to do any of my homework all semester, except this guy, Original Griff, and he'd tell me to do my own homework. so I failed the course. Now I am contract manager for Agile projects
"The difference between genius and stupidity is that genius has its limits." - Albert Einstein
"If you are searching for perfection in others, then you seek disappointment. If you seek perfection in yourself, then you will find failure." - Balboos HaGadol Mar 2010
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Not quite off topic - a few time in the past I posted "LSHIWM" and similar takeoffs on that horrid "LOL" - so clearly your mental facilities are careening towards a crash in the right direction.
"The difference between genius and stupidity is that genius has its limits." - Albert Einstein
"If you are searching for perfection in others, then you seek disappointment. If you seek perfection in yourself, then you will find failure." - Balboos HaGadol Mar 2010
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Agile - where the tail wags the dog. And as a bit of insight, you know which end of the dog has the tail and what it's for.
"The difference between genius and stupidity is that genius has its limits." - Albert Einstein
"If you are searching for perfection in others, then you seek disappointment. If you seek perfection in yourself, then you will find failure." - Balboos HaGadol Mar 2010
The last environment I worked in where Agile was "practiced" had reduced it to worship. The only thing Agile represented was a dictatorship with a religion. The code coming out was worked and reworked until it matched the tech lead's code, whether it worked or not. Deadlines were blown and customers left waiting, but it was Agile.
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You mean that I am personally responsible for that many people failing courses, and not joining the workforce as developers? :omg: Do I get a medal? :laugh:
"I have no idea what I did, but I'm taking full credit for it." - ThisOldTony "Common sense is so rare these days, it should be classified as a super power" - Random T-shirt AntiTwitter: @DalekDave is now a follower!
Personally, I saw that post and agreed with you. It is not being harsh to point out reality. I have been a programmer for just under thirty years, but have watched better suited people rocket past me.
