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Microsoft TCP/IP stack weirdness - anyone else having issues after the last update?

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  • L Lost User

    I've worked with Indians too ... I trained them to do my job when the company I was working for at the time outsourced the entire department. I was paid 60K (extra) to stay on and complete the 6 months of training ... so, no hard feelings. :-D

    It was only in wine that he laid down no limit for himself, but he did not allow himself to be confused by it. ― Confucian Analects: Rules of Confucius about his food

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    "How easy were they to train?" would be the first question that occurred to me. I think outsourcing is often a bad idea, but not because of foreign developers so much as the challenges of managing a project over seas and also navigating often very different cultures and sometimes languages which makes communication and choreography a problem. At the end of the day it trades shedding development costs and offloading the day to day mechanics of it with much more cost in terms of managing the project in such a way that it can be successful, and my experience is that most companies do not understand that, and their management is ill equipped to handle it, especially the first time. It's a good way to make a project fail in an industry where failure is already all too common. I think if you added up all of the hidden costs associated with outsourcing and stacked it up against the benefits, and then looked at the industry as a whole you'd find it does more harm than good, but I haven't run the numbers. It's just a hunch.

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      "How easy were they to train?" would be the first question that occurred to me. I think outsourcing is often a bad idea, but not because of foreign developers so much as the challenges of managing a project over seas and also navigating often very different cultures and sometimes languages which makes communication and choreography a problem. At the end of the day it trades shedding development costs and offloading the day to day mechanics of it with much more cost in terms of managing the project in such a way that it can be successful, and my experience is that most companies do not understand that, and their management is ill equipped to handle it, especially the first time. It's a good way to make a project fail in an industry where failure is already all too common. I think if you added up all of the hidden costs associated with outsourcing and stacked it up against the benefits, and then looked at the industry as a whole you'd find it does more harm than good, but I haven't run the numbers. It's just a hunch.

      Real programmers use butterflies

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      honey the codewitch wrote:

      "How easy were they to train?" would be the first question that occurred to me.

      In my personal experience... usually hard, really hard. But not because of incompetence, what I observed was because of pure lazyness... if you are lucky and you find one that really wants to learn, then it is a pleasure, but still a bit hard, because we think in different ways. One thing that I experienced is that they are damn good when it goes to repetitive processes. Once they have learnt it, they usually do it well, but in most of the cases don't expect alternative or logical thinking. But, I have to say I didn't really worked with software developers or so, I worked with factory guys where we were the "experts" to teach or switch on new processes. What limits a bit the experiences horizon speaking about specialists.

      M.D.V. ;) If something has a solution... Why do we have to worry about?. If it has no solution... For what reason do we have to worry about? Help me to understand what I'm saying, and I'll explain it better to you Rating helpful answers is nice, but saying thanks can be even nicer.

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        "How easy were they to train?" would be the first question that occurred to me. I think outsourcing is often a bad idea, but not because of foreign developers so much as the challenges of managing a project over seas and also navigating often very different cultures and sometimes languages which makes communication and choreography a problem. At the end of the day it trades shedding development costs and offloading the day to day mechanics of it with much more cost in terms of managing the project in such a way that it can be successful, and my experience is that most companies do not understand that, and their management is ill equipped to handle it, especially the first time. It's a good way to make a project fail in an industry where failure is already all too common. I think if you added up all of the hidden costs associated with outsourcing and stacked it up against the benefits, and then looked at the industry as a whole you'd find it does more harm than good, but I haven't run the numbers. It's just a hunch.

        Real programmers use butterflies

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        I had previously documented the entire accounting system using multi-level interactive Visio diagrams ... the thing taught itself; I just sat beside them while they navigated (they flew in from India). Needless to say, all "new" development stopped; they would be in support mode for the next x years. Don't know where they are now ... might be converting to SAP.

        It was only in wine that he laid down no limit for himself, but he did not allow himself to be confused by it. ― Confucian Analects: Rules of Confucius about his food

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        • H honey the codewitch

          IBM doesn't know how to build operating systems. Every operating system they've ever inflicted on the world proves it.

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          honey the codewitch wrote:

          IBM doesn't know how to build operating systems.

          So, both IBM and MS make bad operating systems, that what you saying? My favorite is the AmigaOS. Yours, I'd guess to be Linux, since you disapprove of the mainstream.

          Bastard Programmer from Hell :suss: "If you just follow the bacon Eddy, wherever it leads you, then you won't have to think about politics." -- Some Bell.

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            honey the codewitch wrote:

            IBM doesn't know how to build operating systems.

            So, both IBM and MS make bad operating systems, that what you saying? My favorite is the AmigaOS. Yours, I'd guess to be Linux, since you disapprove of the mainstream.

            Bastard Programmer from Hell :suss: "If you just follow the bacon Eddy, wherever it leads you, then you won't have to think about politics." -- Some Bell.

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            I don't like Linux either. Its updates destroy my MBR on my hard drive. Really, about the only reliable OS i've used lately is FreeRTOS, but that's not appropriate for a desktop machine. I'm a windows dev primarily, so I run windows. I want it to *work* though. Microsoft has been really frustrating in recent years. I'm not a fan of windows 10, but at least it's better than 8.

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              I don't like Linux either. Its updates destroy my MBR on my hard drive. Really, about the only reliable OS i've used lately is FreeRTOS, but that's not appropriate for a desktop machine. I'm a windows dev primarily, so I run windows. I want it to *work* though. Microsoft has been really frustrating in recent years. I'm not a fan of windows 10, but at least it's better than 8.

              Real programmers use butterflies

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              honey the codewitch wrote:

              Really, about the only reliable OS i've used lately is FreeRTOS

              Amiga, multi tasking OS. In half a megabyte. All that Windows does.

              honey the codewitch wrote:

              Microsoft has been really frustrating in recent years. I'm not a fan of windows 10, but at least it's better than 8.

              So.. you too young to remember Win ME?

              Bastard Programmer from Hell :suss: "If you just follow the bacon Eddy, wherever it leads you, then you won't have to think about politics." -- Some Bell.

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                honey the codewitch wrote:

                Really, about the only reliable OS i've used lately is FreeRTOS

                Amiga, multi tasking OS. In half a megabyte. All that Windows does.

                honey the codewitch wrote:

                Microsoft has been really frustrating in recent years. I'm not a fan of windows 10, but at least it's better than 8.

                So.. you too young to remember Win ME?

                Bastard Programmer from Hell :suss: "If you just follow the bacon Eddy, wherever it leads you, then you won't have to think about politics." -- Some Bell.

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                I was working at Microsoft when it was released. We all made fun of it, just not to our PMs. If they didn't plan on ME being the last win9x offering, WinME made sure it was.

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                • H honey the codewitch

                  I went to download something this morning and I was downloading at a paltry 6MB/s and change. (about 50MBits/s) Normally it's closer to 25MB/s (200MBits/s) I spent 20 minutes dealing with my ISP - between furbling through their automated system and troubleshooting with the rep (a very pleasant and competent woman. On an unrelated note I always feel good about getting Indians versus Americans on tech support. For some reason they tend to know what they're doing more of the time, in my experience and I'm used to their accents anyway so they aren't hard to understand over the phone. I think that puts me in the minority with respect to that opinion though) Anyway, after going through the motions of restarting the modem, and checking my wireless LAN for any interlopers, I finally rebooted my machine. I figured I might as well. I kind of enjoy it, since it starts windows so fast. All of the sudden my download speeds are back up to where they're supposed to be, but my upload speed is now averaging about 1.7MBits/s. Far worse than what it was before the reboot, and obviously not even close to reflective of my ISP's connection speeds with this package. What the heck, Microsoft? Your "security" updates *always* elephanted. Just stop trying.

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                  All updates; currently chugging at 26.7 Mb/s for a 35.88 GB game download. (It's cold out there)

                  It was only in wine that he laid down no limit for himself, but he did not allow himself to be confused by it. ― Confucian Analects: Rules of Confucius about his food

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                    All updates; currently chugging at 26.7 Mb/s for a 35.88 GB game download. (It's cold out there)

                    It was only in wine that he laid down no limit for himself, but he did not allow himself to be confused by it. ― Confucian Analects: Rules of Confucius about his food

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                    We must have the same internet package. And weather (it's snowing here!) Do you play fallout 4? It's one of my favorite games because I can play against the game developers rather than the game itself. :-D

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                    • H honey the codewitch

                      We must have the same internet package. And weather (it's snowing here!) Do you play fallout 4? It's one of my favorite games because I can play against the game developers rather than the game itself. :-D

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                      I like the role-playing games (PlayStation and Fallout) but I like the faster pace of the real-time strategy games (XBox / PC and the Age of Empires franchise) just a wee bit better: one mistake can blow the whole game wide open.

                      It was only in wine that he laid down no limit for himself, but he did not allow himself to be confused by it. ― Confucian Analects: Rules of Confucius about his food

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                      • H honey the codewitch

                        IBM doesn't know how to build operating systems. Every operating system they've ever inflicted on the world proves it.

                        Real programmers use butterflies

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                        Just remember Bill Gates wrote IBM DOS for IBM way back. Windows? That seems related doesn't it?

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                        • L Lost User

                          honey the codewitch wrote:

                          IBM doesn't know how to build operating systems.

                          So, both IBM and MS make bad operating systems, that what you saying? My favorite is the AmigaOS. Yours, I'd guess to be Linux, since you disapprove of the mainstream.

                          Bastard Programmer from Hell :suss: "If you just follow the bacon Eddy, wherever it leads you, then you won't have to think about politics." -- Some Bell.

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                          My favorite is the AmigaOS. Yours, I'd guess to be Linux, since you disapprove of the mainstream.

                          Only on codeproject would someone consider the most deployed OS in the world to not be mainstream :-/

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                            Just remember Bill Gates wrote IBM DOS for IBM way back. Windows? That seems related doesn't it?

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                            honey the codewitch
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                            That's very indirect. DOS and the Windows NT line have pretty much nothing in common. NT shares more of its heritage with, if anything VAX/VMS due to David Cutler, one of the star developers of it, being snatched up by Microsoft to design NT internals.

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                            • H honey the codewitch

                              I don't like Linux either. Its updates destroy my MBR on my hard drive. Really, about the only reliable OS i've used lately is FreeRTOS, but that's not appropriate for a desktop machine. I'm a windows dev primarily, so I run windows. I want it to *work* though. Microsoft has been really frustrating in recent years. I'm not a fan of windows 10, but at least it's better than 8.

                              Real programmers use butterflies

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                              Thanks for the heads up about FreeRTOS. :thumbsup:

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                                Thanks for the heads up about FreeRTOS. :thumbsup:

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                                honey the codewitch
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                                Unless you have a little thumbnail sized IoT device that needs an operating system, I don't really recommend it. Nobody writes a good office suite that runs on it. :laugh:

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                                  Unless you have a little thumbnail sized IoT device that needs an operating system, I don't really recommend it. Nobody writes a good office suite that runs on it. :laugh:

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                                  We run RTX from Interval Zero on a windows 7 machine to convert it to real time for some printers and it's kind of a pain to manage. The programming is probably above my skill level, but it's always good to keep an eye out for these things. :)

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                                  • H honey the codewitch

                                    I went to download something this morning and I was downloading at a paltry 6MB/s and change. (about 50MBits/s) Normally it's closer to 25MB/s (200MBits/s) I spent 20 minutes dealing with my ISP - between furbling through their automated system and troubleshooting with the rep (a very pleasant and competent woman. On an unrelated note I always feel good about getting Indians versus Americans on tech support. For some reason they tend to know what they're doing more of the time, in my experience and I'm used to their accents anyway so they aren't hard to understand over the phone. I think that puts me in the minority with respect to that opinion though) Anyway, after going through the motions of restarting the modem, and checking my wireless LAN for any interlopers, I finally rebooted my machine. I figured I might as well. I kind of enjoy it, since it starts windows so fast. All of the sudden my download speeds are back up to where they're supposed to be, but my upload speed is now averaging about 1.7MBits/s. Far worse than what it was before the reboot, and obviously not even close to reflective of my ISP's connection speeds with this package. What the heck, Microsoft? Your "security" updates *always* elephanted. Just stop trying.

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                                    obermd
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                                    Did you have a pending update. Pending updates have always caused problems for Windows? If this was it then you as the system operator should take some of the blame for not ensuring you don't have pending updates.

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                                      Did you have a pending update. Pending updates have always caused problems for Windows? If this was it then you as the system operator should take some of the blame for not ensuring you don't have pending updates.

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                                      honey the codewitch
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                                      No, in fact it was an update that introduced the problem, meaning i had just installed the latest update.

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                                        I went to download something this morning and I was downloading at a paltry 6MB/s and change. (about 50MBits/s) Normally it's closer to 25MB/s (200MBits/s) I spent 20 minutes dealing with my ISP - between furbling through their automated system and troubleshooting with the rep (a very pleasant and competent woman. On an unrelated note I always feel good about getting Indians versus Americans on tech support. For some reason they tend to know what they're doing more of the time, in my experience and I'm used to their accents anyway so they aren't hard to understand over the phone. I think that puts me in the minority with respect to that opinion though) Anyway, after going through the motions of restarting the modem, and checking my wireless LAN for any interlopers, I finally rebooted my machine. I figured I might as well. I kind of enjoy it, since it starts windows so fast. All of the sudden my download speeds are back up to where they're supposed to be, but my upload speed is now averaging about 1.7MBits/s. Far worse than what it was before the reboot, and obviously not even close to reflective of my ISP's connection speeds with this package. What the heck, Microsoft? Your "security" updates *always* elephanted. Just stop trying.

                                        Real programmers use butterflies

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                                        OldCoder2
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                                        I have been having the same issue for almost a year now. I tracked down the the problem to windows 10, any version past 1809. what is happening here is win 10 is disabling internet traffic on some hidden parameters. It loses DNS, never comes back and tries to turn off the NIC even if you specifically state NOT to turn it off in power panel. I have a sat internet connection. Delays run 600ms to 1.2 sec turnaround and win 10 won't play with it. If I make a direct connection to my modem it's a little better, but fails miserably through any router, I tried 4 different models, same results. On Downloads, I always get no more than 50kb/sec even though firewall on defender is supposedly off. If I switch to an older win xp system, everything is fine and this nonsense goes away so clearly it is a win 10 problem microsoft refuses to acknowledge. Search web, many complaints on this with crap answers from them. Time for windows to die and be replaced..IMHO.

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