MS-DOS bat files must die...

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charlieg wrote:

I have no idea who came up with this crap, but I will piss on his/her grave. Off to a real scripting language...

Usually, when people make statements along these lines, I reply: Why the elephant do you select a 40+ year old command interpreter language? Why haven't you switched to Powershell many years ago? The typical answer is, like: Huh?? Powershell? I never cared to look at it, and I am certainly not going to waste my time on it! Why hasn't Windows switched to something like bash? I'll tell you why: Because Windows users simply refuse to learn anything new. They will not realize that with bash, they could write really advanced scripts, but they are simply ignorant and lazy. Me: Yeah, I guess you are right. Linux guys are far more willing to learn of alternatives to their favorite tools. Just look at yourself, how eager your are to learn the advanced command processor that is native to Windows! The other guy: Go *** yourself! You are exactly the way Windows guys are. You go ahead first, and learn bash, then you can start patronizing. Me: I have been using bash for about twenty-five years. The other guy: So why do you tell me not to use it? Me: Maybe you are better off getting a bash interpreter for Windows...

Super Lloyd

But the real question is: "Why did the chicken crossed the road?", I betcha you haven't considered that first! :O

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:laugh: :thumbsup:

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Prilvesh K

Batch files help me prevent my self from installing bloatware on my windows 10 ... Imagine just opening up notepad typing commands and saving as something.bat .... no bloatware , no mess :)

Daniel Pfeffer

.BAT files have their uses for quick-and-dirty problems. I agree that PowerShell is much more powerful, but 99%+ of the time, its power is unnecessary for my uses. The only advantage that ports of Unix/Linux shells could offer is compatibility with Linux scripts. However, these must typically be rewritten to allow for differing filename formats, missing tools in the Windows environment, etc. so this advantage is illusory.

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OriginalGriff

You have to remember that .BAT files were invented in the days of floppy disks and command lines, when you didn't want to create a C program that included a 50K library file in order to sort a directory listing by modification date then print it to the display in pages; and another to do it in reverse size order; and another of only show the "ACC*.CSV" files the same way, and ... That they still work at all, and are of any use - and they are, occasionally I'm sure even if I personally haven't used one in decades - is a testament to just how well they were designed in the first place! The world has moved on, is all - so we expect more power, more flexibility, better structure.

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RickZeeland

I still make heavy use of DOS batch files on our Windows builder that runs the latest version of TeamCity. Always refused to make use of extra tools such as NANT, but I have to admit that although you can accomplish a lot with batch files, readability is not a strong point of DOS batch files. :-\

den2k88

BAT for scripting? Bleargh. BAT for quick automation? Gold.

GCS d--(d+) s-/++ a C++++ U+++ P- L+@ E-- W++ N+ o+ K- w+++ O? M-- V? PS+ PE- Y+ PGP t+ 5? X R+++ tv-- b+(+++) DI+++ D++ G e++ h--- r+++ y+++* Weapons extension: ma- k++ F+2 X

Lost User

I still use them, they are just so easy to work with compared to the "wonderful" Powershell.

Jorgen Andersson

I'm curious to hear the difference in their definitions. :)

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pkfox

Because I spend a lot of time using Linux I have a few .bat files on my Windows boxes that mirror my Linux common and aliased commands. I would love Windows to support aliases.

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pkfox

And me - if you're going to use the advanced PS stuff you might as well write a proper compiled program

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Lost User

I have actually found a few occasions when a Powershell script of three or four lines did what in C would have needed at least 30 to 50 lines. The main problem I have with Powershell is learning it properly.

Rage

How should I compile without batch files ? :laugh: I like them. Back in the years, I even made quite powerful things with batches ( against all best practices of coding, of course. Batch is organized chaos).

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den2k88

Scripting is programming the shell, with complex logic (i.e. conditions, loops, etc). Quick automation to me means executing a simple sequence of commands with their parameters, with only a very small amount of logic (i.e. setting relative paths, file names and in some cases checking some return value). It's a quick macro, a shortcut to avoid typing dozens of characters.

GCS d--(d+) s-/++ a C++++ U+++ P- L+@ E-- W++ N+ o+ K- w+++ O? M-- V? PS+ PE- Y+ PGP t+ 5? X R+++ tv-- b+(+++) DI+++ D++ G e++ h--- r+++ y+++* Weapons extension: ma- k++ F+2 X

Jorgen Andersson

It's odd how definitions tend to change with time. When I studied automation many many years ago, scripting was one of the tools available to achieve the task... today it seems to be a cron job.

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Nelek

obermd wrote:

Batch files have been dead since Windows 95.

:omg: :omg: :omg: :wtf: :wtf: :wtf: Really? I guess 70% of the world just didn't get that memo.

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GenJerDan

And then you run into things like PowerShell is disabled because users can't be trusted not to destroy the systems with it. :laugh:

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Forogar

Batch files rule!! I still depend upon them and have done for well over 30 years. How many other technologies "just work" for over three decades?

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obermd

The .bat extension is handled by the same command line processor as the .cmd extension. Both extensions work except in machine startup scripts where you have to use .cmd.