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  • W W Balboos GHB

    Grunt - by Mary Gentle This crosses a boundary between SciFi and D&D Fantasy. Told from the perspective of the Goblins who happen across a stash of rather unique weaponry and other "influences". That stash and the influences link the SciFi in. How can you not help cheer when a knighy in shining armor gets taken out by a goblin?

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    There are three books in the "Orcs" series[^] - where the humans are not the heroes. Hadn't thought about them for years! [edit] And another three in the "Bad Blood" series I just found out - not tried them! [/edit]

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      There are three books in the "Orcs" series[^] - where the humans are not the heroes. Hadn't thought about them for years! [edit] And another three in the "Bad Blood" series I just found out - not tried them! [/edit]

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      I may give them a try. One thing about the one I posted (only one like it I read, anyway) is that it broaches into SciFi, as well. Trying to stick with the thread on a first-level response. Reading Grunt was just a lot of fun. Found by accident: whilst I used to start to work on a commuter rail they had a waiting room. Within the room was a book-rack (instituted by the near-by library) for books to just take with you. I loaned it to my son (the now-adult to whom I read Hobbit and Lord of the Rings aloud) when he was a wee lad. Like "Lord of the Rings", Grunt ended too soon.

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        As a follow up to Glenn's post below, what would be your best SciFi book ? To me it is a hard choice, there are so many, but here a few that are important to me: - The Ice People by Barjavel, that I read when I was 8, and that probably gave me the taste for sciFi - I, Robot, that got me into robotics, computer science, logical thinking, ... - Another small book I cannot remember the name, talking about astronauts trapped in a spaceship (kind of Apollo 13) that my English teacher gave me and that was the first book I have read in English language. - A brave new world, because of that dystopian but maybe not so wrong description of our future. - Ubik, because ... Ubik. - Jurassic Parc, not because of the story, but for the chaos theory developed over 40 pages by Crichton. The movie was awesome in its time, but the book is on another level - I know it is cliché to say the book is better than the movie. Same for Terminator, the book/screenplay explains so much better the overall atmosphere, the character of Sarah Connor, and helps understanding a few shortcuts that were hard to follow in the movie.

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        Rage wrote:

        what would be your best SciFi book ?

        I like the one's from Steve Alten. I've read all but the (government) conspiracy ones.

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          As a follow up to Glenn's post below, what would be your best SciFi book ? To me it is a hard choice, there are so many, but here a few that are important to me: - The Ice People by Barjavel, that I read when I was 8, and that probably gave me the taste for sciFi - I, Robot, that got me into robotics, computer science, logical thinking, ... - Another small book I cannot remember the name, talking about astronauts trapped in a spaceship (kind of Apollo 13) that my English teacher gave me and that was the first book I have read in English language. - A brave new world, because of that dystopian but maybe not so wrong description of our future. - Ubik, because ... Ubik. - Jurassic Parc, not because of the story, but for the chaos theory developed over 40 pages by Crichton. The movie was awesome in its time, but the book is on another level - I know it is cliché to say the book is better than the movie. Same for Terminator, the book/screenplay explains so much better the overall atmosphere, the character of Sarah Connor, and helps understanding a few shortcuts that were hard to follow in the movie.

          Do not escape reality : improve reality !

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          As have already been said, there is a lot of good SciFi out there. - Pohl: The heechees series, Merchant wars... - Heinlein: The moon is a bad mistress, Friday... - Crichton: Jurasic parc, State of fear - Asimov: Foundation serie - Herbert: Dune serie (although some are not that good) - Schätzing: Limit - I don't know how it is called in english but the plot is that every human being that reached more than 5 years old is resurrected all at once in a world were basic needs are automatically covered by some allien technology. 5 or 6 books -... -...

          M.D.V. ;) If something has a solution... Why do we have to worry about?. If it has no solution... For what reason do we have to worry about? Help me to understand what I'm saying, and I'll explain it better to you Rating helpful answers is nice, but saying thanks can be even nicer.

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          • R Rage

            As a follow up to Glenn's post below, what would be your best SciFi book ? To me it is a hard choice, there are so many, but here a few that are important to me: - The Ice People by Barjavel, that I read when I was 8, and that probably gave me the taste for sciFi - I, Robot, that got me into robotics, computer science, logical thinking, ... - Another small book I cannot remember the name, talking about astronauts trapped in a spaceship (kind of Apollo 13) that my English teacher gave me and that was the first book I have read in English language. - A brave new world, because of that dystopian but maybe not so wrong description of our future. - Ubik, because ... Ubik. - Jurassic Parc, not because of the story, but for the chaos theory developed over 40 pages by Crichton. The movie was awesome in its time, but the book is on another level - I know it is cliché to say the book is better than the movie. Same for Terminator, the book/screenplay explains so much better the overall atmosphere, the character of Sarah Connor, and helps understanding a few shortcuts that were hard to follow in the movie.

            Do not escape reality : improve reality !

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            I have a golden rule about SciFi - if the core story could be written for any other genre, then it ain't SciFi. This puts Carl Sagan's 'Contact' at the top of a pretty short list.

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            • R Rage

              As a follow up to Glenn's post below, what would be your best SciFi book ? To me it is a hard choice, there are so many, but here a few that are important to me: - The Ice People by Barjavel, that I read when I was 8, and that probably gave me the taste for sciFi - I, Robot, that got me into robotics, computer science, logical thinking, ... - Another small book I cannot remember the name, talking about astronauts trapped in a spaceship (kind of Apollo 13) that my English teacher gave me and that was the first book I have read in English language. - A brave new world, because of that dystopian but maybe not so wrong description of our future. - Ubik, because ... Ubik. - Jurassic Parc, not because of the story, but for the chaos theory developed over 40 pages by Crichton. The movie was awesome in its time, but the book is on another level - I know it is cliché to say the book is better than the movie. Same for Terminator, the book/screenplay explains so much better the overall atmosphere, the character of Sarah Connor, and helps understanding a few shortcuts that were hard to follow in the movie.

              Do not escape reality : improve reality !

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              I only have one sci-fi book, Polaris, by Jack McDevitt. The main character gets involved in a 60 year old mystery about a crew disappearing from an interstellar yacht. It was one of those random grab books I picked up, and I enjoyed the read. Otherwise, my bookshelves are lined with Fantasy novels; Forgotten Realms and The Wheel of Time sort of stuff. :)

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                As have already been said, there is a lot of good SciFi out there. - Pohl: The heechees series, Merchant wars... - Heinlein: The moon is a bad mistress, Friday... - Crichton: Jurasic parc, State of fear - Asimov: Foundation serie - Herbert: Dune serie (although some are not that good) - Schätzing: Limit - I don't know how it is called in english but the plot is that every human being that reached more than 5 years old is resurrected all at once in a world were basic needs are automatically covered by some allien technology. 5 or 6 books -... -...

                M.D.V. ;) If something has a solution... Why do we have to worry about?. If it has no solution... For what reason do we have to worry about? Help me to understand what I'm saying, and I'll explain it better to you Rating helpful answers is nice, but saying thanks can be even nicer.

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                Riverworld is what you are looking for: Riverworld - Wikipedia[^] - I mentioned it above, good stuff! Just watch out when searching for P.J.Farmer books at work: some of his stuff was pr0n with a SF / Fantasy setting - "Image of the Beast" and "Blown" for example ... :omg:

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                • R Rage

                  As a follow up to Glenn's post below, what would be your best SciFi book ? To me it is a hard choice, there are so many, but here a few that are important to me: - The Ice People by Barjavel, that I read when I was 8, and that probably gave me the taste for sciFi - I, Robot, that got me into robotics, computer science, logical thinking, ... - Another small book I cannot remember the name, talking about astronauts trapped in a spaceship (kind of Apollo 13) that my English teacher gave me and that was the first book I have read in English language. - A brave new world, because of that dystopian but maybe not so wrong description of our future. - Ubik, because ... Ubik. - Jurassic Parc, not because of the story, but for the chaos theory developed over 40 pages by Crichton. The movie was awesome in its time, but the book is on another level - I know it is cliché to say the book is better than the movie. Same for Terminator, the book/screenplay explains so much better the overall atmosphere, the character of Sarah Connor, and helps understanding a few shortcuts that were hard to follow in the movie.

                  Do not escape reality : improve reality !

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                  Oooo! Add in Robert L. Forward to that list - "Dragon's Egg" and "Flight of the Dragonfly" / "Rocheworld" are well worth a read.

                  "I have no idea what I did, but I'm taking full credit for it." - ThisOldTony "Common sense is so rare these days, it should be classified as a super power" - Random T-shirt AntiTwitter: @DalekDave is now a follower!

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                  "Common sense is so rare these days, it should be classified as a super power" - Random T-shirt

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                  • R Rage

                    As a follow up to Glenn's post below, what would be your best SciFi book ? To me it is a hard choice, there are so many, but here a few that are important to me: - The Ice People by Barjavel, that I read when I was 8, and that probably gave me the taste for sciFi - I, Robot, that got me into robotics, computer science, logical thinking, ... - Another small book I cannot remember the name, talking about astronauts trapped in a spaceship (kind of Apollo 13) that my English teacher gave me and that was the first book I have read in English language. - A brave new world, because of that dystopian but maybe not so wrong description of our future. - Ubik, because ... Ubik. - Jurassic Parc, not because of the story, but for the chaos theory developed over 40 pages by Crichton. The movie was awesome in its time, but the book is on another level - I know it is cliché to say the book is better than the movie. Same for Terminator, the book/screenplay explains so much better the overall atmosphere, the character of Sarah Connor, and helps understanding a few shortcuts that were hard to follow in the movie.

                    Do not escape reality : improve reality !

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                    Too many to count. I have about 500 songs my ten top favourite songs, same with books. Day of the Triffids - John Wyndham (plus all his other books) Nightfall - Isaac Asimov (Ok everything by Asimov) Dune - Frank Herbert Martian Cornicles - Ray Bradbury. Riverworld - Philip Jose Farmer Anything by Larry Niven. Everything by Terry Pratchett (not strictly sci-fi though) Loved Brave New World (& the old movie + new TV series). Then there's Arthur C. Clarke, Harry Harrison, Eric Frank Russel, Robert Sheckley to name a few.

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                      I only have one sci-fi book, Polaris, by Jack McDevitt. The main character gets involved in a 60 year old mystery about a crew disappearing from an interstellar yacht. It was one of those random grab books I picked up, and I enjoyed the read. Otherwise, my bookshelves are lined with Fantasy novels; Forgotten Realms and The Wheel of Time sort of stuff. :)

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                      Kris Lantz wrote:

                      Otherwise, my bookshelves are lined with Fantasy novels; Forgotten Realms and The Wheel of Time sort of stuff

                      they get a couple of shelves at my place too. - Tolkien: Middle Earth - Weiss & Hackmann: Dragonlance serie && The Death Gate Cycle - Many others.... more Dragonlance (I think I have almost the whole set) - Miguel de Castro: El pais inerme (not sure if it has been translated to english, but if yes... a nice one too) -

                      M.D.V. ;) If something has a solution... Why do we have to worry about?. If it has no solution... For what reason do we have to worry about? Help me to understand what I'm saying, and I'll explain it better to you Rating helpful answers is nice, but saying thanks can be even nicer.

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                        Too many to count. I have about 500 songs my ten top favourite songs, same with books. Day of the Triffids - John Wyndham (plus all his other books) Nightfall - Isaac Asimov (Ok everything by Asimov) Dune - Frank Herbert Martian Cornicles - Ray Bradbury. Riverworld - Philip Jose Farmer Anything by Larry Niven. Everything by Terry Pratchett (not strictly sci-fi though) Loved Brave New World (& the old movie + new TV series). Then there's Arthur C. Clarke, Harry Harrison, Eric Frank Russel, Robert Sheckley to name a few.

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                        How could I forget Kim Stanley Robinson's Mars & Gold Coast books.

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                          Gawd ... very hard to pick "just one" ... "Ender's Game" and sequels Any of "The Expanse" books "Oath of Fealty" The Ringworld / Tales of Known Space series Anything by Iain M Banks, ditto William Gibson, Philip Jose Farmer (especially Riverworld), the Late Great DNA, Haldeman's "Forever War" series "The Stainless Steel Rat" series. Then there is Heinlein, Vonnegut, some of Philip K Dick's stuff was amazing. Zelazny's tales of Corwin, prince of Amber. Nah. There is no "Best ever SF book" - there is just "Best right at this moment" when you are in the mood and reading it ...

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                          OriginalGriff wrote:

                          Nah. There is no "Best ever SF book" - there is just "Best right at this moment" when you are in the mood and reading it ...

                          I say more or less the same for music. Every moment has its music and every music has its moment :)

                          M.D.V. ;) If something has a solution... Why do we have to worry about?. If it has no solution... For what reason do we have to worry about? Help me to understand what I'm saying, and I'll explain it better to you Rating helpful answers is nice, but saying thanks can be even nicer.

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                            As a follow up to Glenn's post below, what would be your best SciFi book ? To me it is a hard choice, there are so many, but here a few that are important to me: - The Ice People by Barjavel, that I read when I was 8, and that probably gave me the taste for sciFi - I, Robot, that got me into robotics, computer science, logical thinking, ... - Another small book I cannot remember the name, talking about astronauts trapped in a spaceship (kind of Apollo 13) that my English teacher gave me and that was the first book I have read in English language. - A brave new world, because of that dystopian but maybe not so wrong description of our future. - Ubik, because ... Ubik. - Jurassic Parc, not because of the story, but for the chaos theory developed over 40 pages by Crichton. The movie was awesome in its time, but the book is on another level - I know it is cliché to say the book is better than the movie. Same for Terminator, the book/screenplay explains so much better the overall atmosphere, the character of Sarah Connor, and helps understanding a few shortcuts that were hard to follow in the movie.

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                            Anything Dr. Seuss.

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                              As a follow up to Glenn's post below, what would be your best SciFi book ? To me it is a hard choice, there are so many, but here a few that are important to me: - The Ice People by Barjavel, that I read when I was 8, and that probably gave me the taste for sciFi - I, Robot, that got me into robotics, computer science, logical thinking, ... - Another small book I cannot remember the name, talking about astronauts trapped in a spaceship (kind of Apollo 13) that my English teacher gave me and that was the first book I have read in English language. - A brave new world, because of that dystopian but maybe not so wrong description of our future. - Ubik, because ... Ubik. - Jurassic Parc, not because of the story, but for the chaos theory developed over 40 pages by Crichton. The movie was awesome in its time, but the book is on another level - I know it is cliché to say the book is better than the movie. Same for Terminator, the book/screenplay explains so much better the overall atmosphere, the character of Sarah Connor, and helps understanding a few shortcuts that were hard to follow in the movie.

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                              The mind has the best special effects with no budget! 2001, Rama, I Robot, The Expanse, Seveneves, Neuromancer...More probably!

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                                As a follow up to Glenn's post below, what would be your best SciFi book ? To me it is a hard choice, there are so many, but here a few that are important to me: - The Ice People by Barjavel, that I read when I was 8, and that probably gave me the taste for sciFi - I, Robot, that got me into robotics, computer science, logical thinking, ... - Another small book I cannot remember the name, talking about astronauts trapped in a spaceship (kind of Apollo 13) that my English teacher gave me and that was the first book I have read in English language. - A brave new world, because of that dystopian but maybe not so wrong description of our future. - Ubik, because ... Ubik. - Jurassic Parc, not because of the story, but for the chaos theory developed over 40 pages by Crichton. The movie was awesome in its time, but the book is on another level - I know it is cliché to say the book is better than the movie. Same for Terminator, the book/screenplay explains so much better the overall atmosphere, the character of Sarah Connor, and helps understanding a few shortcuts that were hard to follow in the movie.

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                                - Just about anything by Frank Herbert. For Dune, I'd stop at God Emperor of Dune. - Nathan Lowell's Ismael Wang books - he's an 18 year old thrust into an interstellar merchant fleet of solar clippers. - The entire Robots to Empire and Foundation series by Asimov - Heinlein's future history series - Stainless Steel Rat series - Brave New World - Starship Mage series by Glynn Stewart. They won't win awards but they're fast, fun romps through the future. I'm sure there are others but these are off the top of my head.

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                                  Kris Lantz wrote:

                                  Otherwise, my bookshelves are lined with Fantasy novels; Forgotten Realms and The Wheel of Time sort of stuff

                                  they get a couple of shelves at my place too. - Tolkien: Middle Earth - Weiss & Hackmann: Dragonlance serie && The Death Gate Cycle - Many others.... more Dragonlance (I think I have almost the whole set) - Miguel de Castro: El pais inerme (not sure if it has been translated to english, but if yes... a nice one too) -

                                  M.D.V. ;) If something has a solution... Why do we have to worry about?. If it has no solution... For what reason do we have to worry about? Help me to understand what I'm saying, and I'll explain it better to you Rating helpful answers is nice, but saying thanks can be even nicer.

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                                  I'll have to explore the Dragonlance books once I finish up the WoT. I'm ready to read something else. :laugh:

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                                  • W W Balboos GHB

                                    Grunt - by Mary Gentle This crosses a boundary between SciFi and D&D Fantasy. Told from the perspective of the Goblins who happen across a stash of rather unique weaponry and other "influences". That stash and the influences link the SciFi in. How can you not help cheer when a knighy in shining armor gets taken out by a goblin?

                                    Ravings en masse^

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                                    "If you are searching for perfection in others, then you seek disappointment. If you seek perfection in yourself, then you will find failure." - Balboos HaGadol Mar 2010

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                                    I'd forgotten about this gem! Must re-read it

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                                      As a follow up to Glenn's post below, what would be your best SciFi book ? To me it is a hard choice, there are so many, but here a few that are important to me: - The Ice People by Barjavel, that I read when I was 8, and that probably gave me the taste for sciFi - I, Robot, that got me into robotics, computer science, logical thinking, ... - Another small book I cannot remember the name, talking about astronauts trapped in a spaceship (kind of Apollo 13) that my English teacher gave me and that was the first book I have read in English language. - A brave new world, because of that dystopian but maybe not so wrong description of our future. - Ubik, because ... Ubik. - Jurassic Parc, not because of the story, but for the chaos theory developed over 40 pages by Crichton. The movie was awesome in its time, but the book is on another level - I know it is cliché to say the book is better than the movie. Same for Terminator, the book/screenplay explains so much better the overall atmosphere, the character of Sarah Connor, and helps understanding a few shortcuts that were hard to follow in the movie.

                                      Do not escape reality : improve reality !

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                                      Probably... The Foundation series (the original 3 books, a bit less for the other prequels and sequels). Dune (the original 3 books, obviously, and a bit less for the other prequels and sequels) The [Lost Fleet](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The\_Lost\_Fleet) (Jack Campbell) And I know, unpopular and controversial because of the Author and what he stand for (will remain nameless and no link provided), but they are fun and entertaining.... Battlefield Earth (the movie was horribly bad) and Mission Earth.

                                      I'd rather be phishing!

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                                        The mind has the best special effects with no budget! 2001, Rama, I Robot, The Expanse, Seveneves, Neuromancer...More probably!

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                                        Rama was weird, I need to read it again to have a better opinion of it.

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                                          How could I forget Kim Stanley Robinson's Mars & Gold Coast books.

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                                          yes, yes, yes. The Mars trilogy is excellent...

                                          I'd rather be phishing!

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