Pretty sure the validation scheme is hosed when you want to be anonymous
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So I've started using a VPN to anonymize my internet activities. No particular reason... Wow, did everyone get upset. My banks, Microsoft, google all have gone bat $hit crazy thinking my account has been hijacked now that they can't track my IP. Very, very interesting.
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charlieg wrote:
So I've started using a VPN to anonymize my internet activities.
and this goes out the window, mostly, as soon as you log into any site or service such as your google account or banking. just saying... private VPN use is intended so that authorities cannot track someone's activities to their personal computer via the IP. private VPN use, IMHO, has no real value or benefit to the regular citizen unless someone wants to commit crimes and/or say things online in anonymous forums such as 4chan, etc. and not have it traced back to one's personal computer.
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charlieg wrote:
So I've started using a VPN to anonymize my internet activities.
and this goes out the window, mostly, as soon as you log into any site or service such as your google account or banking. just saying... private VPN use is intended so that authorities cannot track someone's activities to their personal computer via the IP. private VPN use, IMHO, has no real value or benefit to the regular citizen unless someone wants to commit crimes and/or say things online in anonymous forums such as 4chan, etc. and not have it traced back to one's personal computer.
Slacker007 wrote:
private VPN use, IMHO, has no real value or benefit to the regular citizen unless someone wants to commit crimes
Definition of crime is wildly different across countries and across time itself. With more and more fuzzy laws about what can be expressed and what can't, and countries descending in authoritarian governments, private VPN use adds a layer of safety for the citizen.
GCS d--(d+) s-/++ a C++++ U+++ P- L+@ E-- W++ N+ o+ K- w+++ O? M-- V? PS+ PE- Y+ PGP t+ 5? X R+++ tv-- b+(+++) DI+++ D++ G e++ h--- r+++ y+++* Weapons extension: ma- k++ F+2 X
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Slacker007 wrote:
private VPN use, IMHO, has no real value or benefit to the regular citizen unless someone wants to commit crimes
Definition of crime is wildly different across countries and across time itself. With more and more fuzzy laws about what can be expressed and what can't, and countries descending in authoritarian governments, private VPN use adds a layer of safety for the citizen.
GCS d--(d+) s-/++ a C++++ U+++ P- L+@ E-- W++ N+ o+ K- w+++ O? M-- V? PS+ PE- Y+ PGP t+ 5? X R+++ tv-- b+(+++) DI+++ D++ G e++ h--- r+++ y+++* Weapons extension: ma- k++ F+2 X
There is no reason at all for needing a private VPN connection, unless you are doing things online that would incriminate you legally. -- In my honest opinion. you cannot convince me otherwise.
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There is no reason at all for needing a private VPN connection, unless you are doing things online that would incriminate you legally. -- In my honest opinion. you cannot convince me otherwise.
So what? In many countries just being gay is a crime punishable by death, in other countries not being affiliated with a particular political party leads to accidents, even in the mighty and free US it's becoming a problem with people fired from their jobs for their political views. Subjects don't need privacy, citizens do.
GCS d--(d+) s-/++ a C++++ U+++ P- L+@ E-- W++ N+ o+ K- w+++ O? M-- V? PS+ PE- Y+ PGP t+ 5? X R+++ tv-- b+(+++) DI+++ D++ G e++ h--- r+++ y+++* Weapons extension: ma- k++ F+2 X
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There is no reason at all for needing a private VPN connection, unless you are doing things online that would incriminate you legally. -- In my honest opinion. you cannot convince me otherwise.
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So what? In many countries just being gay is a crime punishable by death, in other countries not being affiliated with a particular political party leads to accidents, even in the mighty and free US it's becoming a problem with people fired from their jobs for their political views. Subjects don't need privacy, citizens do.
GCS d--(d+) s-/++ a C++++ U+++ P- L+@ E-- W++ N+ o+ K- w+++ O? M-- V? PS+ PE- Y+ PGP t+ 5? X R+++ tv-- b+(+++) DI+++ D++ G e++ h--- r+++ y+++* Weapons extension: ma- k++ F+2 X
den2k88 wrote:
Subjects don't need privacy, citizens do.
I couldn't have said it better!
Freedom is the freedom to say that two plus two make four. If that is granted, all else follows. -- 6079 Smith W.
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why would you need a vpn for legal porn?
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There is no reason at all for needing a private VPN connection, unless you are doing things online that would incriminate you legally. -- In my honest opinion. you cannot convince me otherwise.
I beg to differ. 1. With the exception of banking and access to government-provided services, there is no requirement to identify oneself with one's real name 2. Many countries criminalize the free expression of opinion - if said opinion goes against that of the local government 3. Even in the so-called free countries, expressing an unpopular opinion can get you into hot water (e.g. losing anything from friends to a job)
Freedom is the freedom to say that two plus two make four. If that is granted, all else follows. -- 6079 Smith W.
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So what? In many countries just being gay is a crime punishable by death, in other countries not being affiliated with a particular political party leads to accidents, even in the mighty and free US it's becoming a problem with people fired from their jobs for their political views. Subjects don't need privacy, citizens do.
GCS d--(d+) s-/++ a C++++ U+++ P- L+@ E-- W++ N+ o+ K- w+++ O? M-- V? PS+ PE- Y+ PGP t+ 5? X R+++ tv-- b+(+++) DI+++ D++ G e++ h--- r+++ y+++* Weapons extension: ma- k++ F+2 X
Wow, you have taken this thread to a whole new level of absurdity. We are talking VPN here. If people are getting fired from their jobs for posting political comments, I assure you that VPN is NOT going to protect them - Facebook/Twitter still knows who you are, VPN or not.
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charlieg wrote:
So I've started using a VPN
Which VPN app are you using, I want to go that route but there seems to be lots of them so I can't seem to figure out which one is more secure.
"Coming soon"
There are reviews out there. I currently use NordVPN but have also used IPVanish and would recommend either one.
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Wow, you have taken this thread to a whole new level of absurdity. We are talking VPN here. If people are getting fired from their jobs for posting political comments, I assure you that VPN is NOT going to protect them - Facebook/Twitter still knows who you are, VPN or not.
You're the one who took it to absurd levels by claiming that one has no need for a VPN unless engaged in criminal activity.
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You're the one who took it to absurd levels by claiming that one has no need for a VPN unless engaged in criminal activity.
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The fox knows many things, but the hedgehog knows one big thing.and I still stick to that. Show me a valid reason for private VPN use, that has nothing to do with hiding one's criminal activities online.
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den2k88 wrote:
Subjects don't need privacy, citizens do.
I couldn't have said it better!
Freedom is the freedom to say that two plus two make four. If that is granted, all else follows. -- 6079 Smith W.
bullshit
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I beg to differ. 1. With the exception of banking and access to government-provided services, there is no requirement to identify oneself with one's real name 2. Many countries criminalize the free expression of opinion - if said opinion goes against that of the local government 3. Even in the so-called free countries, expressing an unpopular opinion can get you into hot water (e.g. losing anything from friends to a job)
Freedom is the freedom to say that two plus two make four. If that is granted, all else follows. -- 6079 Smith W.
Daniel Pfeffer wrote:
Even in the so-called free countries, expressing an unpopular opinion can get you into hot water (e.g. losing anything from friends to a job)
VPN will not prevent this. Most social media requires you to login to a site. VPN only hides the IP, not who is logged in making the comments.
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and I still stick to that. Show me a valid reason for private VPN use, that has nothing to do with hiding one's criminal activities online.
What other posters have said about expressing opinions anonymously. Or reducing the extent to which you can be tracked by all these benevolent types like Google and your ISP. Or reducing the risk of man-in-the-middle hacks. By your logic, the use of encryption should also be curtailed.
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why would you need a vpn for legal porn?
In order not to get embarrassed if an ISP employer finds out by accident. As well as some curious person who might hack into my wifi. As well as some police officers who could tap my phone line (in my country police extensively abuses its powers in that aspect and do not hide that fact, according to official statistics around 30 percent of population got taped in past 10 years). E.g. I got taped 3 times by financial crimes unit that investigated my clients (I work as a corporate legal counsel which is risky in this aspect :) ).
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What other posters have said about expressing opinions anonymously. Or reducing the extent to which you can be tracked by all these benevolent types like Google and your ISP. Or reducing the risk of man-in-the-middle hacks. By your logic, the use of encryption should also be curtailed.
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The fox knows many things, but the hedgehog knows one big thing.Greg Utas wrote:
y your logic, the use of encryption should also be curtailed.
That is just a silly comment and has nothing to do with people hiding behind a VPN. We encrypt data so that hackers cannot read the data when it is intercepted. We hide behind private VPNs so that governments and law enforcement cannot track our IP addresses when we break that country's laws.
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In order not to get embarrassed if an ISP employer finds out by accident. As well as some curious person who might hack into my wifi. As well as some police officers who could tap my phone line (in my country police extensively abuses its powers in that aspect and do not hide that fact, according to official statistics around 30 percent of population got taped in past 10 years). E.g. I got taped 3 times by financial crimes unit that investigated my clients (I work as a corporate legal counsel which is risky in this aspect :) ).
If you are not breaking the law, then you have nothing to worry about, and you don't need a VPN.
Niemand25 wrote:
I got taped 3 times by financial crimes unit that investigated my clients
:laugh: :sigh: :confused: If you don't like your country's laws and legal practices, then I strongly suggest moving.
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Greg Utas wrote:
y your logic, the use of encryption should also be curtailed.
That is just a silly comment and has nothing to do with people hiding behind a VPN. We encrypt data so that hackers cannot read the data when it is intercepted. We hide behind private VPNs so that governments and law enforcement cannot track our IP addresses when we break that country's laws.
Curtailed does not mean eliminated. I didn't think you'd go that far.
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charlieg wrote:
So I've started using a VPN to anonymize my internet activities.
and this goes out the window, mostly, as soon as you log into any site or service such as your google account or banking. just saying... private VPN use is intended so that authorities cannot track someone's activities to their personal computer via the IP. private VPN use, IMHO, has no real value or benefit to the regular citizen unless someone wants to commit crimes and/or say things online in anonymous forums such as 4chan, etc. and not have it traced back to one's personal computer.
We had a users account compromised when he did business from a hotel room (pre-Covid). VPN's that encrypt can help prevent that. Has nothing to with anonymity. For that, just use Tor, it is free. You are still free to hate VPN's. We still respect you. :)
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