Pretty sure the validation scheme is hosed when you want to be anonymous
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I beg to differ. 1. With the exception of banking and access to government-provided services, there is no requirement to identify oneself with one's real name 2. Many countries criminalize the free expression of opinion - if said opinion goes against that of the local government 3. Even in the so-called free countries, expressing an unpopular opinion can get you into hot water (e.g. losing anything from friends to a job)
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Daniel Pfeffer wrote:
Even in the so-called free countries, expressing an unpopular opinion can get you into hot water (e.g. losing anything from friends to a job)
VPN will not prevent this. Most social media requires you to login to a site. VPN only hides the IP, not who is logged in making the comments.
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and I still stick to that. Show me a valid reason for private VPN use, that has nothing to do with hiding one's criminal activities online.
What other posters have said about expressing opinions anonymously. Or reducing the extent to which you can be tracked by all these benevolent types like Google and your ISP. Or reducing the risk of man-in-the-middle hacks. By your logic, the use of encryption should also be curtailed.
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why would you need a vpn for legal porn?
In order not to get embarrassed if an ISP employer finds out by accident. As well as some curious person who might hack into my wifi. As well as some police officers who could tap my phone line (in my country police extensively abuses its powers in that aspect and do not hide that fact, according to official statistics around 30 percent of population got taped in past 10 years). E.g. I got taped 3 times by financial crimes unit that investigated my clients (I work as a corporate legal counsel which is risky in this aspect :) ).
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What other posters have said about expressing opinions anonymously. Or reducing the extent to which you can be tracked by all these benevolent types like Google and your ISP. Or reducing the risk of man-in-the-middle hacks. By your logic, the use of encryption should also be curtailed.
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The fox knows many things, but the hedgehog knows one big thing.Greg Utas wrote:
y your logic, the use of encryption should also be curtailed.
That is just a silly comment and has nothing to do with people hiding behind a VPN. We encrypt data so that hackers cannot read the data when it is intercepted. We hide behind private VPNs so that governments and law enforcement cannot track our IP addresses when we break that country's laws.
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In order not to get embarrassed if an ISP employer finds out by accident. As well as some curious person who might hack into my wifi. As well as some police officers who could tap my phone line (in my country police extensively abuses its powers in that aspect and do not hide that fact, according to official statistics around 30 percent of population got taped in past 10 years). E.g. I got taped 3 times by financial crimes unit that investigated my clients (I work as a corporate legal counsel which is risky in this aspect :) ).
If you are not breaking the law, then you have nothing to worry about, and you don't need a VPN.
Niemand25 wrote:
I got taped 3 times by financial crimes unit that investigated my clients
:laugh: :sigh: :confused: If you don't like your country's laws and legal practices, then I strongly suggest moving.
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Greg Utas wrote:
y your logic, the use of encryption should also be curtailed.
That is just a silly comment and has nothing to do with people hiding behind a VPN. We encrypt data so that hackers cannot read the data when it is intercepted. We hide behind private VPNs so that governments and law enforcement cannot track our IP addresses when we break that country's laws.
Curtailed does not mean eliminated. I didn't think you'd go that far.
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charlieg wrote:
So I've started using a VPN to anonymize my internet activities.
and this goes out the window, mostly, as soon as you log into any site or service such as your google account or banking. just saying... private VPN use is intended so that authorities cannot track someone's activities to their personal computer via the IP. private VPN use, IMHO, has no real value or benefit to the regular citizen unless someone wants to commit crimes and/or say things online in anonymous forums such as 4chan, etc. and not have it traced back to one's personal computer.
We had a users account compromised when he did business from a hotel room (pre-Covid). VPN's that encrypt can help prevent that. Has nothing to with anonymity. For that, just use Tor, it is free. You are still free to hate VPN's. We still respect you. :)
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charlieg wrote:
So I've started using a VPN
Which VPN app are you using, I want to go that route but there seems to be lots of them so I can't seem to figure out which one is more secure.
"Coming soon"
ProtonVPN offers a free plan, somewhat slow. I need to test more as sometimes I get interference from my customer's VPN. Be aware that many security checks depend on knowing your general (?) location. I suspect they do velocity checks. In any event, attempting to access your account with a VPN ip may trigger all sorts of "who are you?" checks.
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It's a simple security feature. every time you connect from a new device, i.e. a new IP address, they will ask you to verify this device using 2nd factor authentication. Call it crazy if you will, some other people simply call it modern security practices! ;P
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SL, That's sort of my point. I understand some of the why, but what I'm learning is that "modern security practices" - as currently implemented - are falling short. I have 2f authentication enabled on most of my accounts, some I can access, some I cannot. cg
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If you are not breaking the law, then you have nothing to worry about, and you don't need a VPN.
Niemand25 wrote:
I got taped 3 times by financial crimes unit that investigated my clients
:laugh: :sigh: :confused: If you don't like your country's laws and legal practices, then I strongly suggest moving.
Somehow I don't feel ok exposing my sex life by accident even if it's completely legal :laugh: I don't think the situation is much different in other states. It's not like I live in China or Russia. I live in Lithuania which is a democratic one. Yet due to the public opinion that it's ok for police to tap a phone line just in case (without any proofs of a criminal activity whatsoever), we have the situation. P.S. neither I nor any of my clients got convicted, nobody even got to a suspect status.
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Greg Utas wrote:
y your logic, the use of encryption should also be curtailed.
That is just a silly comment and has nothing to do with people hiding behind a VPN. We encrypt data so that hackers cannot read the data when it is intercepted. We hide behind private VPNs so that governments and law enforcement cannot track our IP addresses when we break that country's laws.
"We hide behind private VPNs so that governments and law enforcement cannot track our IP addresses when we break that country's laws." although your comments about fb twitter, etc are valid what you just said makes me wonder what planet you live on and for how long. The government nor law enforcement have the right to track me anywhere unless they have probable cause.
Charlie Gilley <italic>Stuck in a dysfunctional matrix from which I must escape... "Where liberty dwells, there is my country." B. Franklin, 1783 “They who can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety.” BF, 1759
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noooo although this is the lounge and I had resigned myself to someone vectoring in that direction. :doh:
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ProtonVPN offers a free plan, somewhat slow. I need to test more as sometimes I get interference from my customer's VPN. Be aware that many security checks depend on knowing your general (?) location. I suspect they do velocity checks. In any event, attempting to access your account with a VPN ip may trigger all sorts of "who are you?" checks.
Charlie Gilley <italic>Stuck in a dysfunctional matrix from which I must escape... "Where liberty dwells, there is my country." B. Franklin, 1783 “They who can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety.” BF, 1759
charlieg wrote:
In any event, attempting to access your account with a VPN ip may trigger all sorts of "who are you?" checks.
That is, after all, the point of a having a VPN, is it not ?
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So I've started using a VPN to anonymize my internet activities. No particular reason... Wow, did everyone get upset. My banks, Microsoft, google all have gone bat $hit crazy thinking my account has been hijacked now that they can't track my IP. Very, very interesting.
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my entire point of posting this was that I found it interesting how many online accounts simply went haywire when I enabled VPN. Two come to mind: 1) Microsoft - my customer uses 365 and MS validates me all the time. 2) Google - now here is where it gets interesting (Slacker - I'm looking at you). One thing that annoys me to know end is if I search for something, say new rotors for my teen daughter's car, I am forever inundated with ads everywhere, because most sites have sold sections of their pages to advertisers. Even if I've browsed anonymously,, I still see it. Firing up the VPN, I don't see this behavior. Further, with VPN on, google searches are constantly prompting me with Captcha contests :). It seems to me google really likes my IP address. I also like the idea that my ISP cannot really sell any useful data on me. I'm not paranoid, and I really don't care. I have more important things to worry about, but just on the face of it, an ISP selling customer network traffic (I'm sure it's somewhere in the t's and c's that no one ever reads) seems dirty to me.
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If you are not breaking the law, then you have nothing to worry about, and you don't need a VPN.
Niemand25 wrote:
I got taped 3 times by financial crimes unit that investigated my clients
:laugh: :sigh: :confused: If you don't like your country's laws and legal practices, then I strongly suggest moving.
You're trolling. And may your chains rattle lightly.
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and I still stick to that. Show me a valid reason for private VPN use, that has nothing to do with hiding one's criminal activities online.
I can think of many legal, but possibly immoral activities that some people would prefer the use of a VPN-service for.
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So I've started using a VPN to anonymize my internet activities. No particular reason... Wow, did everyone get upset. My banks, Microsoft, google all have gone bat $hit crazy thinking my account has been hijacked now that they can't track my IP. Very, very interesting.
Charlie Gilley <italic>Stuck in a dysfunctional matrix from which I must escape... "Where liberty dwells, there is my country." B. Franklin, 1783 “They who can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety.” BF, 1759
At some point someone decided they wanted to track your IP address. Then they said well this user's IP address changed since last time, that must be a security risk. Then the security nannies took over and demanded that you re-validate before you can access their service. And it is completely out of hand now. All this with complete disregard for real life scenarios as to why a user's IP would change from hour to hour. None of them want you to be anonymous, because that reduces the value of you as a product. They will make an effort to make your life a difficult as possible to get you to comply with how they would like you to behave. And it is even worse than this VPN situation, install Tor browser and browse to your favorite sites to see what happens.
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"We hide behind private VPNs so that governments and law enforcement cannot track our IP addresses when we break that country's laws." although your comments about fb twitter, etc are valid what you just said makes me wonder what planet you live on and for how long. The government nor law enforcement have the right to track me anywhere unless they have probable cause.
Charlie Gilley <italic>Stuck in a dysfunctional matrix from which I must escape... "Where liberty dwells, there is my country." B. Franklin, 1783 “They who can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety.” BF, 1759
Your personal IP address is logged each time you login to your VPN provider. The government can get your IP address anytime they want. Almost all VPN service providers have an agreement with law enforcement to give over most of your personal data upon a search warrant. I live on planet earth, same as you.
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So I've started using a VPN to anonymize my internet activities. No particular reason... Wow, did everyone get upset. My banks, Microsoft, google all have gone bat $hit crazy thinking my account has been hijacked now that they can't track my IP. Very, very interesting.
Charlie Gilley <italic>Stuck in a dysfunctional matrix from which I must escape... "Where liberty dwells, there is my country." B. Franklin, 1783 “They who can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety.” BF, 1759
charlieg wrote:
I've started using a VPN to anonymize my internet activities.
Some VPN's will change what country your IP address is coming from. In that case, yes, your bank accounts and everything else SHOULD go crazy.
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charlieg wrote:
In any event, attempting to access your account with a VPN ip may trigger all sorts of "who are you?" checks.
That is, after all, the point of a having a VPN, is it not ?
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It is and should be.. but these checks are failing even after 2FA and passwords and what not.
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