Thinking of building a new desktop computer for my work
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I am thinking of building a new desktop computer. I have built several before, so I am competent in that respect. I don't play computer games except for solitaire, So I don't need a "Gaming" computer. I'm looking for recommendations on stuff like Motherboards, CPU, Ram, SSD drives, Optical disk drives, Cases, etc. I want a minimum of 16GB of ram, and 2TB of SSD. Windows10 Pro OS. Yes, I am part of the Evil Empire, and have been for 45 years or so. I expect to buy from Newegg or TigerDirect. Any preferences there.
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I am thinking of building a new desktop computer. I have built several before, so I am competent in that respect. I don't play computer games except for solitaire, So I don't need a "Gaming" computer. I'm looking for recommendations on stuff like Motherboards, CPU, Ram, SSD drives, Optical disk drives, Cases, etc. I want a minimum of 16GB of ram, and 2TB of SSD. Windows10 Pro OS. Yes, I am part of the Evil Empire, and have been for 45 years or so. I expect to buy from Newegg or TigerDirect. Any preferences there.
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Slow Eddie wrote:
I'm looking for recommendations on stuff like Motherboards, CPU, Ram, SSD drives, Optical disk drives, Cases, etc.
Motherboards: Good idea. It's kinda difficult to wirewrap the CPU & RAM together and glue in a few support chips, so getting someone else to do it makes sense. CPU & RAM: you are going to need them, yes. SSD: I use SanDisk 1TB's, and have had no problems with them at all. Optical drive: Why? Who the heck distributes via SneakerNet these days? What have you got on DVD / CD that actually matters, and should probably be archived (via ISO if necessary) or put online? Cases: these do help the fans stay in the right place, so I say "yes, get one". Which one? Whatever has a PSU big enough to handle the CPU and graphics card. Addons: A reasonable (but nowhere near top-of-the-range) graphics card is a good idea: teh drivers work well, and they do speed up Windows - without grabbing a big chunk out of your system RAM. Plus, they support multiple monitors, and that's worth it's weight in gold for development work!
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I am thinking of building a new desktop computer. I have built several before, so I am competent in that respect. I don't play computer games except for solitaire, So I don't need a "Gaming" computer. I'm looking for recommendations on stuff like Motherboards, CPU, Ram, SSD drives, Optical disk drives, Cases, etc. I want a minimum of 16GB of ram, and 2TB of SSD. Windows10 Pro OS. Yes, I am part of the Evil Empire, and have been for 45 years or so. I expect to buy from Newegg or TigerDirect. Any preferences there.
Wear a mask. Think of it as charity to others.
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I am thinking of building a new desktop computer. I have built several before, so I am competent in that respect. I don't play computer games except for solitaire, So I don't need a "Gaming" computer. I'm looking for recommendations on stuff like Motherboards, CPU, Ram, SSD drives, Optical disk drives, Cases, etc. I want a minimum of 16GB of ram, and 2TB of SSD. Windows10 Pro OS. Yes, I am part of the Evil Empire, and have been for 45 years or so. I expect to buy from Newegg or TigerDirect. Any preferences there.
Wear a mask. Think of it as charity to others.
You might get some ideas here: best-custom-pc-builder-website/[^] and here: Tom's Hardware Best Picks - Top-Rated Computer Hardware[^]
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I am thinking of building a new desktop computer. I have built several before, so I am competent in that respect. I don't play computer games except for solitaire, So I don't need a "Gaming" computer. I'm looking for recommendations on stuff like Motherboards, CPU, Ram, SSD drives, Optical disk drives, Cases, etc. I want a minimum of 16GB of ram, and 2TB of SSD. Windows10 Pro OS. Yes, I am part of the Evil Empire, and have been for 45 years or so. I expect to buy from Newegg or TigerDirect. Any preferences there.
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I built a new computer about 6 months before the pandemic and I've been very happy with it. Here's what my build looked like. I bought everything at our local MicroCenter. Actually this is the first build, but I had a bad component and returned everything easily to MicroCenter and then bought a slightly different Gigabyte Mainboard that included wifi. I highly suggest the Gigabyte Mainboards with the built-in m2 drive slots -- very fast. MainBoard - GIGABYTE B450M DS3H AM4 1 42.99 CPU - Ryzen Chip (6core with threads x2 12 Cores) AMD RYZEN 5 2600X WRAITHS[^] 139.99 16GB RAM - 348201 IPSG 16GB 2X8GB DDR4 3200 KIT 1 77.99 Power supply - 976076 CORSAIR CXM 650W 80+B SM PSU 1 69.99 69.99 Basic Case - 719427 CORSAIR SPEC02 REDSHIFT ATX CASE 1 69.99 69.99 M2 drive - 748939 SAMSUNG E 500GB 970EVO NVME M.2 SSD 1 79.99 GEForce GTX 1660 video card (purchased from a friend ) I ran dual-boot Win10 / Ubuntu until I discovered (after 30 years of Windows use) that I like Ubuntu better now than windows. Now I'm all Ubuntu over there. but I also have a laptop running an R7 and Windows 10. Good luck
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I am thinking of building a new desktop computer. I have built several before, so I am competent in that respect. I don't play computer games except for solitaire, So I don't need a "Gaming" computer. I'm looking for recommendations on stuff like Motherboards, CPU, Ram, SSD drives, Optical disk drives, Cases, etc. I want a minimum of 16GB of ram, and 2TB of SSD. Windows10 Pro OS. Yes, I am part of the Evil Empire, and have been for 45 years or so. I expect to buy from Newegg or TigerDirect. Any preferences there.
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You picked the worst time to do this. The major manufacturers of silicon, TSMC and Samsung, are facing multiple problems with getting chips out the door, like a pandemic, trade wars, droughts, and fires. Depending on the CPU you want, you may be waiting a while to get one. AMD released an entirely new line of CPU's 6 months ago and supplies of the higher end chips are in such short supply you can't find them anywhere in the world. Intel just released their 11th Gen stuff, and, well, let's just say Intel is in serious trouble. The new stuff is still based on old 14nm process and doesn't compare in performance to what AMD released. Even though there's no shortage of Intel silicon, prices are still too high for what you get. The newly released GPU's are so rare, the only people who have them are scalpers trying to sell them at 2 to 3+ times MSRP. Older GPU's are also hard to find. Motherboards seem to be OK with supply and prices because no new chipsets have been released yet and stocks of those chips are sufficient to keep making boards, for now. DDR4 RAM is in decent shape too. SSD supplies are a bit shaky but consistent. Prices are a little higher than normal because of that and you may be waiting a bit to get what you want, but it's not bad. It seems demand for SSD's are holding right at supply capacity. On the plus side, things are improving, though we're going to see short supply of silicon for at least the next 6 months.
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You picked the worst time to do this. The major manufacturers of silicon, TSMC and Samsung, are facing multiple problems with getting chips out the door, like a pandemic, trade wars, droughts, and fires. Depending on the CPU you want, you may be waiting a while to get one. AMD released an entirely new line of CPU's 6 months ago and supplies of the higher end chips are in such short supply you can't find them anywhere in the world. Intel just released their 11th Gen stuff, and, well, let's just say Intel is in serious trouble. The new stuff is still based on old 14nm process and doesn't compare in performance to what AMD released. Even though there's no shortage of Intel silicon, prices are still too high for what you get. The newly released GPU's are so rare, the only people who have them are scalpers trying to sell them at 2 to 3+ times MSRP. Older GPU's are also hard to find. Motherboards seem to be OK with supply and prices because no new chipsets have been released yet and stocks of those chips are sufficient to keep making boards, for now. DDR4 RAM is in decent shape too. SSD supplies are a bit shaky but consistent. Prices are a little higher than normal because of that and you may be waiting a bit to get what you want, but it's not bad. It seems demand for SSD's are holding right at supply capacity. On the plus side, things are improving, though we're going to see short supply of silicon for at least the next 6 months.
Asking questions is a skill CodeProject Forum Guidelines Google: C# How to debug code Seriously, go read these articles.
Dave KreskowiakDave Kreskowiak wrote:
The newly released GPU's are so rare, the only people who have them are scalpers trying to sell them at 2 to 3+ times MSRP. Older GPU's are also hard to find.
Cryptocurrency miners are taking everything they can find at the moment too, apparently - the rise in value of Ethereum since March has encouraged them.
"I have no idea what I did, but I'm taking full credit for it." - ThisOldTony "Common sense is so rare these days, it should be classified as a super power" - Random T-shirt AntiTwitter: @DalekDave is now a follower!
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I am thinking of building a new desktop computer. I have built several before, so I am competent in that respect. I don't play computer games except for solitaire, So I don't need a "Gaming" computer. I'm looking for recommendations on stuff like Motherboards, CPU, Ram, SSD drives, Optical disk drives, Cases, etc. I want a minimum of 16GB of ram, and 2TB of SSD. Windows10 Pro OS. Yes, I am part of the Evil Empire, and have been for 45 years or so. I expect to buy from Newegg or TigerDirect. Any preferences there.
Wear a mask. Think of it as charity to others.
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I am thinking of building a new desktop computer. I have built several before, so I am competent in that respect. I don't play computer games except for solitaire, So I don't need a "Gaming" computer. I'm looking for recommendations on stuff like Motherboards, CPU, Ram, SSD drives, Optical disk drives, Cases, etc. I want a minimum of 16GB of ram, and 2TB of SSD. Windows10 Pro OS. Yes, I am part of the Evil Empire, and have been for 45 years or so. I expect to buy from Newegg or TigerDirect. Any preferences there.
Wear a mask. Think of it as charity to others.
If you go for the M.2 PCIe SSDs (and I would) Additionally make sure that they are cooled down well... they cut the high spees due to temperature. So of you are going to do ML or heavy DB jobs... I recommend you to have a look to Kühlkörper IcyBox SSD M.2 IB-M2HSF-703: Amazon.de: Computer & Zubehör[^] (sorry, german amazon) or something similar... at least the one small, if there is place enough I would get the tower fan. There are some benchmarks that the 16 mm is already enough to make a copy of 800 GB data at once, without permormance issues.
M.D.V. ;) If something has a solution... Why do we have to worry about?. If it has no solution... For what reason do we have to worry about? Help me to understand what I'm saying, and I'll explain it better to you Rating helpful answers is nice, but saying thanks can be even nicer.
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Slow Eddie wrote:
I'm looking for recommendations on stuff like Motherboards, CPU, Ram, SSD drives, Optical disk drives, Cases, etc.
Motherboards: Good idea. It's kinda difficult to wirewrap the CPU & RAM together and glue in a few support chips, so getting someone else to do it makes sense. CPU & RAM: you are going to need them, yes. SSD: I use SanDisk 1TB's, and have had no problems with them at all. Optical drive: Why? Who the heck distributes via SneakerNet these days? What have you got on DVD / CD that actually matters, and should probably be archived (via ISO if necessary) or put online? Cases: these do help the fans stay in the right place, so I say "yes, get one". Which one? Whatever has a PSU big enough to handle the CPU and graphics card. Addons: A reasonable (but nowhere near top-of-the-range) graphics card is a good idea: teh drivers work well, and they do speed up Windows - without grabbing a big chunk out of your system RAM. Plus, they support multiple monitors, and that's worth it's weight in gold for development work!
"I have no idea what I did, but I'm taking full credit for it." - ThisOldTony "Common sense is so rare these days, it should be classified as a super power" - Random T-shirt AntiTwitter: @DalekDave is now a follower!
Thanks. I think. :confused:
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I just installed a Crucial MX500 1TB 3D NAND SATA 2.5 inch 7mm (with 9.5mm adapter) Internal SSD | CT1000MX500SSD1 | Crucial UK[^] in my laptop, and it works a treat. It's a while since I built a desktop but I used Crucial memory at the time.
Thank you. That is helpful.
Can't think of anything pithy to say here.
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You might get some ideas here: best-custom-pc-builder-website/[^] and here: Tom's Hardware Best Picks - Top-Rated Computer Hardware[^]
Thanks, I'll check it out
Still Can't think of anything pithy to say here.
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I built a new computer about 6 months before the pandemic and I've been very happy with it. Here's what my build looked like. I bought everything at our local MicroCenter. Actually this is the first build, but I had a bad component and returned everything easily to MicroCenter and then bought a slightly different Gigabyte Mainboard that included wifi. I highly suggest the Gigabyte Mainboards with the built-in m2 drive slots -- very fast. MainBoard - GIGABYTE B450M DS3H AM4 1 42.99 CPU - Ryzen Chip (6core with threads x2 12 Cores) AMD RYZEN 5 2600X WRAITHS[^] 139.99 16GB RAM - 348201 IPSG 16GB 2X8GB DDR4 3200 KIT 1 77.99 Power supply - 976076 CORSAIR CXM 650W 80+B SM PSU 1 69.99 69.99 Basic Case - 719427 CORSAIR SPEC02 REDSHIFT ATX CASE 1 69.99 69.99 M2 drive - 748939 SAMSUNG E 500GB 970EVO NVME M.2 SSD 1 79.99 GEForce GTX 1660 video card (purchased from a friend ) I ran dual-boot Win10 / Ubuntu until I discovered (after 30 years of Windows use) that I like Ubuntu better now than windows. Now I'm all Ubuntu over there. but I also have a laptop running an R7 and Windows 10. Good luck
Very helpful. Why did you go Ryzen instead of Intel? Cost, Performance or both?
Can't think of anything pithy to say here. Either.
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Very helpful. Why did you go Ryzen instead of Intel? Cost, Performance or both?
Can't think of anything pithy to say here. Either.
Yes, as they say about Intel... In the past: Double the price for the same performance. Now: Double the price for half the performance. Plus at the time Intel was having problems[^] with that hack that made them turn some options off on their chip which made them slower and AMD doesn't have that issue. Ryzen was much less $ for actually better performance. I do a bit of Android Development (and along with that you need a special virtualization feature on the chip to run the Android emulator) and I was a bit worried about that but tested on my son's machine that had Ryzen. It is fantastic and amazing performance.
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You picked the worst time to do this. The major manufacturers of silicon, TSMC and Samsung, are facing multiple problems with getting chips out the door, like a pandemic, trade wars, droughts, and fires. Depending on the CPU you want, you may be waiting a while to get one. AMD released an entirely new line of CPU's 6 months ago and supplies of the higher end chips are in such short supply you can't find them anywhere in the world. Intel just released their 11th Gen stuff, and, well, let's just say Intel is in serious trouble. The new stuff is still based on old 14nm process and doesn't compare in performance to what AMD released. Even though there's no shortage of Intel silicon, prices are still too high for what you get. The newly released GPU's are so rare, the only people who have them are scalpers trying to sell them at 2 to 3+ times MSRP. Older GPU's are also hard to find. Motherboards seem to be OK with supply and prices because no new chipsets have been released yet and stocks of those chips are sufficient to keep making boards, for now. DDR4 RAM is in decent shape too. SSD supplies are a bit shaky but consistent. Prices are a little higher than normal because of that and you may be waiting a bit to get what you want, but it's not bad. It seems demand for SSD's are holding right at supply capacity. On the plus side, things are improving, though we're going to see short supply of silicon for at least the next 6 months.
Asking questions is a skill CodeProject Forum Guidelines Google: C# How to debug code Seriously, go read these articles.
Dave KreskowiakThank you. I have been looking only at in-stock Items. What are the Ryzen models that compares to the Intel Core I5 ?, Core I7? It would help me in my decision making.
Can't think of anything pithy to say here. Peach Stone?
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Just make sure your main board has a M.2 connector for NVMe SSD. Older SATA SSDs are much slower.
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Thanks. with Windows10 taking soooo long to load (at leas on the machines I have, that is a consideration.
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If you go for the M.2 PCIe SSDs (and I would) Additionally make sure that they are cooled down well... they cut the high spees due to temperature. So of you are going to do ML or heavy DB jobs... I recommend you to have a look to Kühlkörper IcyBox SSD M.2 IB-M2HSF-703: Amazon.de: Computer & Zubehör[^] (sorry, german amazon) or something similar... at least the one small, if there is place enough I would get the tower fan. There are some benchmarks that the 16 mm is already enough to make a copy of 800 GB data at once, without permormance issues.
M.D.V. ;) If something has a solution... Why do we have to worry about?. If it has no solution... For what reason do we have to worry about? Help me to understand what I'm saying, and I'll explain it better to you Rating helpful answers is nice, but saying thanks can be even nicer.
Yes. I was looking at the M.2 PCIe SSD's and was unaware of the heat issue. Thanks for the information.
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Yes, as they say about Intel... In the past: Double the price for the same performance. Now: Double the price for half the performance. Plus at the time Intel was having problems[^] with that hack that made them turn some options off on their chip which made them slower and AMD doesn't have that issue. Ryzen was much less $ for actually better performance. I do a bit of Android Development (and along with that you need a special virtualization feature on the chip to run the Android emulator) and I was a bit worried about that but tested on my son's machine that had Ryzen. It is fantastic and amazing performance.
Cool Beans. I will check it out.
Thank you.
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You picked the worst time to do this. The major manufacturers of silicon, TSMC and Samsung, are facing multiple problems with getting chips out the door, like a pandemic, trade wars, droughts, and fires. Depending on the CPU you want, you may be waiting a while to get one. AMD released an entirely new line of CPU's 6 months ago and supplies of the higher end chips are in such short supply you can't find them anywhere in the world. Intel just released their 11th Gen stuff, and, well, let's just say Intel is in serious trouble. The new stuff is still based on old 14nm process and doesn't compare in performance to what AMD released. Even though there's no shortage of Intel silicon, prices are still too high for what you get. The newly released GPU's are so rare, the only people who have them are scalpers trying to sell them at 2 to 3+ times MSRP. Older GPU's are also hard to find. Motherboards seem to be OK with supply and prices because no new chipsets have been released yet and stocks of those chips are sufficient to keep making boards, for now. DDR4 RAM is in decent shape too. SSD supplies are a bit shaky but consistent. Prices are a little higher than normal because of that and you may be waiting a bit to get what you want, but it's not bad. It seems demand for SSD's are holding right at supply capacity. On the plus side, things are improving, though we're going to see short supply of silicon for at least the next 6 months.
Asking questions is a skill CodeProject Forum Guidelines Google: C# How to debug code Seriously, go read these articles.
Dave KreskowiakStill waiting for a PS5 :sigh:
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I am thinking of building a new desktop computer. I have built several before, so I am competent in that respect. I don't play computer games except for solitaire, So I don't need a "Gaming" computer. I'm looking for recommendations on stuff like Motherboards, CPU, Ram, SSD drives, Optical disk drives, Cases, etc. I want a minimum of 16GB of ram, and 2TB of SSD. Windows10 Pro OS. Yes, I am part of the Evil Empire, and have been for 45 years or so. I expect to buy from Newegg or TigerDirect. Any preferences there.
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I bought a Mantis setup from "Computer Upgrade King" and I'm really happy with it.. It's basically a gaming rig but without the graphics card, so it has a wonderful Ryzen 7 8 core in it, w/ 32GB of RAM and a 2TB NVMe stick (though it shipped with 512GB and a 3TB HDD) I spent about $1200 for it on amazon, not including tax. I like buying base gaming rigs because they typically have decent quality power supplies and motherboards, good chipsets, plenty of ram and a nice CPU - everything i could want in a quality workstation.
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