Be Afraid. Be Very Afraid!
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I don't think it will matter much. The responsibility doesn't really affect the claim. I expect one could apply the same "which owner gets the bill" logic as they do now for the most part. Who pulled out the junction, who didn't break in time, etc. The other interesting aspect is liability from the manufacturer to the owner in the event of injury, and furthermore what the scumbags of the world will try to do in order to cash-in on that liability. How does one trick the car into crashing without there being any proof it was tampered with? :suss:
musefan wrote:
How does one trick the car into crashing without there being any proof it was tampered with? :suss:
Or, conversely, how does the manufacturer try to put blame for (known) software defects on the driver? (Not that could ever happen, of course).
"The difference between genius and stupidity is that genius has its limits." - Albert Einstein
"If you are searching for perfection in others, then you seek disappointment. If you seek perfection in yourself, then you will find failure." - Balboos HaGadol Mar 2010
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Ford plans to sell 100,000 hands-free driving vehicles by the end of the first year.[^] and that year is starting this year. I think there was a movie named for this, once: "Apocalypse Now" .
"The difference between genius and stupidity is that genius has its limits." - Albert Einstein
"If you are searching for perfection in others, then you seek disappointment. If you seek perfection in yourself, then you will find failure." - Balboos HaGadol Mar 2010
I've been driving hands-free for over 20 years. This is nothing new. ;) It is interesting to me that society is so afraid to embrace self-driving cars even though if you take one second to stop and think about it, the roads will be many times safer with a computer driving the car rather than a human. But people resist change.
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I've been driving hands-free for over 20 years. This is nothing new. ;) It is interesting to me that society is so afraid to embrace self-driving cars even though if you take one second to stop and think about it, the roads will be many times safer with a computer driving the car rather than a human. But people resist change.
SeanChupas wrote:
It is interesting to me that society is so afraid to embrace self-driving cars
Just some food for thought: Here, we've a lot of software makers - many of whom do it for a living and any new item is potential income - yet you may notice the preponderance of opinion is closer to terror than glee. Could it be they/we know something?
"The difference between genius and stupidity is that genius has its limits." - Albert Einstein
"If you are searching for perfection in others, then you seek disappointment. If you seek perfection in yourself, then you will find failure." - Balboos HaGadol Mar 2010
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Ford plans to sell 100,000 hands-free driving vehicles by the end of the first year.[^] and that year is starting this year. I think there was a movie named for this, once: "Apocalypse Now" .
"The difference between genius and stupidity is that genius has its limits." - Albert Einstein
"If you are searching for perfection in others, then you seek disappointment. If you seek perfection in yourself, then you will find failure." - Balboos HaGadol Mar 2010
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can't wait to see the car-nage. :thumbsup:
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I've been driving hands-free for over 20 years. This is nothing new. ;) It is interesting to me that society is so afraid to embrace self-driving cars even though if you take one second to stop and think about it, the roads will be many times safer with a computer driving the car rather than a human. But people resist change.
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Well ... modern cars are already getting pretty good at avoiding accidents: radar braking, do-it-themselves swerving, and so on. So in theory, insurance for a new well specced car should already be less than an older one ... hahahahaha ...
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OriginalGriff wrote:
modern cars are already getting pretty good at avoiding accidents: radar braking, do-it-themselves swerving, and so on.
Friend-of-a-friend had a Mercedes that swerved, hard, to avoid a car it thought it was about to collide with. The system somehow failed to realize it was on a on-ramp and not really heading into that car, had the driver blindly kept going into a straight line. Even though the dealer told him the system could be turned off, that wasn't enough reassurance for him - the next day the car was up for sale.
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OriginalGriff wrote:
modern cars are already getting pretty good at avoiding accidents: radar braking, do-it-themselves swerving, and so on.
Friend-of-a-friend had a Mercedes that swerved, hard, to avoid a car it thought it was about to collide with. The system somehow failed to realize it was on a on-ramp and not really heading into that car, had the driver blindly kept going into a straight line. Even though the dealer told him the system could be turned off, that wasn't enough reassurance for him - the next day the car was up for sale.
I know what you mean, but ... it's still better than some of the drunken idiots we get rummaging in the glovebox while texting at motorway speeds past a school ... OK, that's a little exaggerated, but not a whole lot. :sigh:
"I have no idea what I did, but I'm taking full credit for it." - ThisOldTony "Common sense is so rare these days, it should be classified as a super power" - Random T-shirt AntiTwitter: @DalekDave is now a follower!
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I've been driving hands-free for over 20 years. This is nothing new. ;) It is interesting to me that society is so afraid to embrace self-driving cars even though if you take one second to stop and think about it, the roads will be many times safer with a computer driving the car rather than a human. But people resist change.
SeanChupas wrote:
if you take one second to stop and think about it, the roads will be many times safer with a computer driving the car rather than a human. But people resist change.
The software between my ears has been improved over many generations, using genetic methods (i.e. those that didn't have a decent algorithm usually didn't live long enough to reproduce). The software in these cars was produced by a group of 20-year-old whiz-kids who work for the lowest bidder, and has little to no track record. What software should I trust more?
Freedom is the freedom to say that two plus two make four. If that is granted, all else follows. -- 6079 Smith W.
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SeanChupas wrote:
if you take one second to stop and think about it, the roads will be many times safer with a computer driving the car rather than a human. But people resist change.
The software between my ears has been improved over many generations, using genetic methods (i.e. those that didn't have a decent algorithm usually didn't live long enough to reproduce). The software in these cars was produced by a group of 20-year-old whiz-kids who work for the lowest bidder, and has little to no track record. What software should I trust more?
Freedom is the freedom to say that two plus two make four. If that is granted, all else follows. -- 6079 Smith W.
Daniel Pfeffer wrote:
he software in these cars was produced by a group of 20-year-old whiz-kids who work for the lowest bidder
Not true at all. Can you imagine? These businesses understand the legal ramifications of having buggy software.
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Daniel Pfeffer wrote:
he software in these cars was produced by a group of 20-year-old whiz-kids who work for the lowest bidder
Not true at all. Can you imagine? These businesses understand the legal ramifications of having buggy software.
In theory, so does Boeing ... but the 737 Max showed what that is worth when you can shave costs. Grounded again last Friday: Boeing's 737 Max has a new problem that will ground some of the jets again - CNN[^]
"I have no idea what I did, but I'm taking full credit for it." - ThisOldTony "Common sense is so rare these days, it should be classified as a super power" - Random T-shirt AntiTwitter: @DalekDave is now a follower!
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Daniel Pfeffer wrote:
he software in these cars was produced by a group of 20-year-old whiz-kids who work for the lowest bidder
Not true at all. Can you imagine? These businesses understand the legal ramifications of having buggy software.
Have you ever actually read the EULA for any software? The software is not sold , it is licensed. This gets around the "fitness for some purpose" language in most consumer protection laws. The licensor typically does not warrant that the software can do anything, and limits any damages (if even applicable) to the cost of the software. You will only start seeing bug-free software (at a premium price...) when such license "agreements" are made illegal.
Freedom is the freedom to say that two plus two make four. If that is granted, all else follows. -- 6079 Smith W.
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Have you ever actually read the EULA for any software? The software is not sold , it is licensed. This gets around the "fitness for some purpose" language in most consumer protection laws. The licensor typically does not warrant that the software can do anything, and limits any damages (if even applicable) to the cost of the software. You will only start seeing bug-free software (at a premium price...) when such license "agreements" are made illegal.
Freedom is the freedom to say that two plus two make four. If that is granted, all else follows. -- 6079 Smith W.
Daniel Pfeffer wrote:
Have you ever actually read the EULA for any software? The software is not sold , it is licensed. This gets around the "fitness for some purpose" language in most consumer protection laws.
You think that would hold up in court if your buggy code killed someone?
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In theory, so does Boeing ... but the 737 Max showed what that is worth when you can shave costs. Grounded again last Friday: Boeing's 737 Max has a new problem that will ground some of the jets again - CNN[^]
"I have no idea what I did, but I'm taking full credit for it." - ThisOldTony "Common sense is so rare these days, it should be classified as a super power" - Random T-shirt AntiTwitter: @DalekDave is now a follower!
Yes, but airline travel is still the most safe and secure way to travel.
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My dad's 2019 Hyundai has an annoying "keep your hands on the wheel at all times" warning. And Ford is introducing a vehicle that favors hands-free driving in 2021? Seems like not all car manufacturers are reading the same rule book.
My Skoda complains if I don't make a steering input every 5 seconds or so. (Normally) fine on country roads but I often have to "weave" on motorways just to keep the car happy. But it does steer me if I let it, and it also once hit the brakes hard when the vehicle in front did an emergency stop. So I do think it's getting there (except it drives me based on the dry line on a fast road, rather than the actual lane markings...). However on the narrow country lanes round here, it would be hopeless. There are too many potholes, missing kerbs, projecting branches, and idiots who drive cars that are more than 50% width of the road... not to mention horses, wildlife etc.. etc.. Ford may plan to sell 100,000 vehicles, but is there anywhere "driving" such vehicles, other than as part of a testing programme, is legal? Or is this going to be like Windows, with public beta testing?
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Ford plans to sell 100,000 hands-free driving vehicles by the end of the first year.[^] and that year is starting this year. I think there was a movie named for this, once: "Apocalypse Now" .
"The difference between genius and stupidity is that genius has its limits." - Albert Einstein
"If you are searching for perfection in others, then you seek disappointment. If you seek perfection in yourself, then you will find failure." - Balboos HaGadol Mar 2010
I'm waiting for motor racing to upgrade to self driving cars.
Nothing succeeds like a budgie without teeth.
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Ford plans to sell 100,000 hands-free driving vehicles by the end of the first year.[^] and that year is starting this year. I think there was a movie named for this, once: "Apocalypse Now" .
"The difference between genius and stupidity is that genius has its limits." - Albert Einstein
"If you are searching for perfection in others, then you seek disappointment. If you seek perfection in yourself, then you will find failure." - Balboos HaGadol Mar 2010
I'm glad I won't be the traffic officer standing in the middle of the intersection blowing my whistle pointing to the auto-tonomous and hoping the software knows what my waving arms are saying.
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I'm glad I won't be the traffic officer standing in the middle of the intersection blowing my whistle pointing to the auto-tonomous and hoping the software knows what my waving arms are saying.
Of course it will know what your waving arms mean:
Toro! Toro! Toro!
"The difference between genius and stupidity is that genius has its limits." - Albert Einstein
"If you are searching for perfection in others, then you seek disappointment. If you seek perfection in yourself, then you will find failure." - Balboos HaGadol Mar 2010
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I know what you mean, but ... it's still better than some of the drunken idiots we get rummaging in the glovebox while texting at motorway speeds past a school ... OK, that's a little exaggerated, but not a whole lot. :sigh:
"I have no idea what I did, but I'm taking full credit for it." - ThisOldTony "Common sense is so rare these days, it should be classified as a super power" - Random T-shirt AntiTwitter: @DalekDave is now a follower!
In New Orleans it is under-exaggerated. I have seen much worse than that around here. My house is in a School Zone.
Drive at your own risk.
