Oi! Chris

OriginalGriff

I was wondering the exact same thing ... :-D

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W Balboos GHB

Nothing I'm aware of - I just thought I'd give him something to have a more visual emphasis when our view points don't quite mesh.

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W Balboos GHB

My message below (reply to '007' notwithstanding), I think I may have mis-spelled "Oi".

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Greg Utas

Thing is, it works just as well when replacing email and send with post.

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W Balboos GHB

Greg Utas wrote:

replacing email and send with post.

At his point, I believe I'm obligated to respond with "Duh !" (Our Brave Captain, Mr Maunder, no doubt has the capability to make that leap in it's implication)

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Greg Utas

I've no doubt that Mr Maunder could make that leap.

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BillWoodruff

alternative translation by Robert Graves and Ali-Shah: What we shall be is written, and we are so. Heedless of God or Evil, pen, write on! By the first day all futures were decided for a compelling take-down of both the Fitzgerald and Graves/Shah fabrications of Omar Khayyam's (Ghiyath al-Din Abu'l-Fath Umar ibn Ibrahim Al-Nisaburi al-Khayyami) oeuvre into stanzaic westernized form: [^] to go (much) deeper into the Rubaiyat and its world-wide impact: [^]

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W Balboos GHB

Just a perspective. First - an intro - Mrs Wife will worry when watching a movie about who's playing the parts and may even watch one because of who's in it. I, on the other hand, couldn't care less. If I recognize them as they play their parts (rather than seeing the character they portray) their acting, by definition, is poor. I watch the movies as their own reality. Going back to your post - I appreciate it - but the finesse with which you see it is peripheral to my selection. Yet, on the other hand, it has grabbed my interest. Some other Quatrains I like must now be explored for alternate translations. Thumbs up to you.

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BillWoodruff

As to your Wife: well, that's between you and her :) Perhaps I should have mentioned my intense respect, and admiration, for Sufi diwans/ghazals poetry/literature, and the synthesis of science and mysticism found in the lives and work of remarkable polymaths like Khayyam in high-culture medieval Islam. As a poet (for 56+ years), I never lose the sense of paradoxical rapture I experience reading Rumi, Attar, and others, because of my limited, very imperfect, knowledge of "facts on the ground." At the same time, I am aware of the impossibility of knowing Rumi's thoughts and feeling in the context of his times. And, the western popularity of Rumi and others is of, course, based on a re-interpretation too often with its Islamic devotional matrix stripped away: [^]. When fat-and-jolly Coleman Barks (who can't read medieval Persian, Urdu, etc.) makes videos of himself reading his "translations" of Rumi with Iranian musicians sitting at his feet, I want to puke, The ghazal tradition and its mystical fervor, brought back by crusade-returning warriors into France and Germany, sparks the birth of western romantic poetry, and its cult-of-courtly-love pathos for the never attainable Beloved. That tradition has never died, and modern poets like Shahid Ali (now deceased) bring it to life in English: [^]. If some Ifrit (evil spirit) possessed me, and, demanded my take on verse #51 to release me, I might try: a feather floats down, a poet seizes it, uses it as a quill to write a fiction he believes is his life: then, the feather floats away, unstained Could my lie buy my freedom from a liar :wtf:

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BillWoodruff wrote:

As a poet (for 56+ years),

We are, all of us, poets. Some struggle to rhyme their way with that of another. Others are content to exclaim their verse to the sky Or sing their songs with the sea. Or be content - their verse is to but listen And to see the poetry around them.

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