One year on ...
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Just heard that there is a general practitioner in town that refuses to vaccinate "because of the side effects" :omg:
What, like "not dying"? :sigh:
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Just heard that there is a general practitioner in town that refuses to vaccinate "because of the side effects" :omg:
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Just heard that there is a general practitioner in town that refuses to vaccinate "because of the side effects" :omg:
That GP needs to lose their license to practice, if so required. He/She apparently doesn't understand the virus has much more serious side effects, like blood clots, lung damage, and, oh, I don't know, death. Makes you wonder what else he/she don't accept that everyone else in the profession does.
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Dave Kreskowiak -
Today is the first anniversary of our positive Covid test - hard to believe that it's been a whole year already, isn't it? Anyway, a short update on how we are a year from "confirmation": I'm OK - a bit down on "total energy" than I was, I still get tired a lot faster than I used to; my hair is growing back, but it's in that "stupid length" phase when it won't fit in the pony yet, but I can't "tidy it up" because I want to grow back to full length! Herself is not so good: the Covid has either caused or exacerbated emphysema (she smoked when young, but hasn't touched a cigarette in over 25 years, but had no known symptoms before the infection) and now has 6 "portable" O2 bottles, one big "Emergency" O2 bottle, and a oxygen concentrator which she used pretty much all the time she is awake in the house. Bloody noisy thing too - but I can't hear it too much in my office, unlike when I'm sharing a sofa with her ... She's had both her jabs, I'm waiting for an appointment for my second. I not trying to get into the "it's a bad cold" / "it's a killer" or the "have the jab" / "the jab tracks you" debate, just thought I'd let you know the view from a year after catching it. Still wearing masks, still washing hands, still wearing disposable Nitrile glove to go shopping ... still don;t want to spread it to anyone even inadvertently!
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OriginalGriff wrote:
I not trying to get into the "it's a bad cold" / "it's a killer" or the "have the jab" / "the jab tracks you" debate, just thought I'd let you know the view from a year after catching it.
Thanks for the update. You were a few months ahead of my mom; so no debate here. Just happy that you still posting :)
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That GP needs to lose their license to practice, if so required. He/She apparently doesn't understand the virus has much more serious side effects, like blood clots, lung damage, and, oh, I don't know, death. Makes you wonder what else he/she don't accept that everyone else in the profession does.
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Dave KreskowiakSounds like the a-hole pharmacist who early in the vaccination program deliberately left an entire batch outside of refrigeration overnight, thereby ruining it. Fortunately a technician came into work early the next day and discovered it before the vaccine could be used. He claimed afterward that he believed the vaccine was unsafe. While he ruined a batch of the vaccine, he also ruined his life. His pharmacist's license was at first suspended and then after a review, revoked for life. The last I heard the state government and the Feds were fighting over who got to charge him criminally first.
Software Zen:
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Today is the first anniversary of our positive Covid test - hard to believe that it's been a whole year already, isn't it? Anyway, a short update on how we are a year from "confirmation": I'm OK - a bit down on "total energy" than I was, I still get tired a lot faster than I used to; my hair is growing back, but it's in that "stupid length" phase when it won't fit in the pony yet, but I can't "tidy it up" because I want to grow back to full length! Herself is not so good: the Covid has either caused or exacerbated emphysema (she smoked when young, but hasn't touched a cigarette in over 25 years, but had no known symptoms before the infection) and now has 6 "portable" O2 bottles, one big "Emergency" O2 bottle, and a oxygen concentrator which she used pretty much all the time she is awake in the house. Bloody noisy thing too - but I can't hear it too much in my office, unlike when I'm sharing a sofa with her ... She's had both her jabs, I'm waiting for an appointment for my second. I not trying to get into the "it's a bad cold" / "it's a killer" or the "have the jab" / "the jab tracks you" debate, just thought I'd let you know the view from a year after catching it. Still wearing masks, still washing hands, still wearing disposable Nitrile glove to go shopping ... still don;t want to spread it to anyone even inadvertently!
"I have no idea what I did, but I'm taking full credit for it." - ThisOldTony "Common sense is so rare these days, it should be classified as a super power" - Random T-shirt AntiTwitter: @DalekDave is now a follower!
I'm glad to hear the both of you are recovering Griff. I knew it had become pretty awful for the two of you (I know, understatement of the decade). Take care.
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Just heard that there is a general practitioner in town that refuses to vaccinate "because of the side effects" :omg:
To play the devils advocate - maybe they're not kitted out to handle the more potentially lethal side effects. If they have one of the severe but treatable reactions and someone dies who could have been saved with appropriate medical treatment, well I could understand someone wanting to avoid putting themselves in that situation. Actually last time I cut myself while gardening I went to a GP to get a Tetanus shot, and the first GP I stopped in at didn't even do Tetanus vaccines because they weren't properly equipped to handle severe allergic reactions.
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That GP needs to lose their license to practice, if so required. He/She apparently doesn't understand the virus has much more serious side effects, like blood clots, lung damage, and, oh, I don't know, death. Makes you wonder what else he/she don't accept that everyone else in the profession does.
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Dave KreskowiakSure, let's just cancel everyone who disagrees with the prevailing wisdom.
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Sure, let's just cancel everyone who disagrees with the prevailing wisdom.
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The fox knows many things, but the hedgehog knows one big thing.Medicinal treatments falls in the realm of managing risk. Some treatments are better than others, depending on the patient. Side effects of treatments are weighed against the benefits of those treatments. Vaccines are no different. But, grossly mismanaging risk, such as thinking the possible side effects of COVID-19, like death or "long haulers" issues, are less than the risks of the vaccine is just insane, as both are very well documented and we continue to build more of that documentation as time goes on. Ignoring, or mistrust, of that documentation shows a glaring misunderstanding of the basics of both disease, vaccines, and the medical community as a whole, putting people at even more risk. At that point, you are no longer part of the solution, but an active contributor to the problem. So yeah, if you're going to completely ignore all the data we have to date on this, you don't deserve to keep your license.
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Dave Kreskowiak -
Medicinal treatments falls in the realm of managing risk. Some treatments are better than others, depending on the patient. Side effects of treatments are weighed against the benefits of those treatments. Vaccines are no different. But, grossly mismanaging risk, such as thinking the possible side effects of COVID-19, like death or "long haulers" issues, are less than the risks of the vaccine is just insane, as both are very well documented and we continue to build more of that documentation as time goes on. Ignoring, or mistrust, of that documentation shows a glaring misunderstanding of the basics of both disease, vaccines, and the medical community as a whole, putting people at even more risk. At that point, you are no longer part of the solution, but an active contributor to the problem. So yeah, if you're going to completely ignore all the data we have to date on this, you don't deserve to keep your license.
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Dave KreskowiakI'm sure it's easy to find a doctor who'll give you a vaccine if this one won't. COVID-19 has primarily been a risk to the elderly and those with serious health issues. Now vaccines with new technologies have been rushed to market. Maybe this doctor decided that, at this point, it's not worth it for many people. We don't know the details, so it's unfortunate that you're ready to condemn someone who has evidently practiced medicine to this point under whatever requirements are in place. I don't even know what to make of this whole situation. It often approaches religious fervor, and opinions of professionals who disagree with the efficacy of various mandates, including lockdowns, social distancing, and masks, have been routinely suppressed and censored.
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I'm sure it's easy to find a doctor who'll give you a vaccine if this one won't. COVID-19 has primarily been a risk to the elderly and those with serious health issues. Now vaccines with new technologies have been rushed to market. Maybe this doctor decided that, at this point, it's not worth it for many people. We don't know the details, so it's unfortunate that you're ready to condemn someone who has evidently practiced medicine to this point under whatever requirements are in place. I don't even know what to make of this whole situation. It often approaches religious fervor, and opinions of professionals who disagree with the efficacy of various mandates, including lockdowns, social distancing, and masks, have been routinely suppressed and censored.
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The fox knows many things, but the hedgehog knows one big thing.Greg Utas wrote:
COVID-19 has primarily been a risk to the elderly and those with serious health issues
Not any more.
Greg Utas wrote:
Now vaccines with new technologies have been rushed to market.
Wrong. mRNA vaccine technology has been in the works for almost 20 years now. "Rushed" is a right-wing bullshit talking point born of ignorance and fear of what they consider "unknown".
Greg Utas wrote:
Maybe this doctor decided that, at this point, it's not worth it for many people.
Then said doctor needs to write up his research and present his evidence of updated risk factors to a major accepted medical publication for review before making that decision for "many people".
Greg Utas wrote:
We don't know the details, so it's unfortunate that you're ready to condemn someone who has evidently practiced medicine to this point under whatever requirements are in place.
You are correct. We don't know all the details of that GP's position. That's why writing it up for peer review is so damn important.
Greg Utas wrote:
I don't even know what to make of this whole situation. It often approaches religious fervor, and opinions of professionals who disagree
The opinions of merit in this case of those of epidemiologists and virologists. GP's don't have the experience or the research behind their disconnected opinions that the people who specialize in these fields do. If a GP has doubts about the virus or vaccines, these are the people they go consult with for advice, complete with their documentation to back up what they say.
Greg Utas wrote:
opinions of professionals who disagree with the efficacy of various mandates, including lockdowns, social distancing, and masks, have been routinely suppressed and censored.
It's the "top doctor" in your government who aggregates all of the papers and research on the subject and is the one with the job of presenting that consensus and recommendations for mitigation on a national level. Doctors and nurses on social media are NOT a valid source of medical advice. At this point, a single GP's opinion does NOT override the opinion of your "top doc" in the government. Think about it. Who has more data and research behind their state
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Greg Utas wrote:
COVID-19 has primarily been a risk to the elderly and those with serious health issues
Not any more.
Greg Utas wrote:
Now vaccines with new technologies have been rushed to market.
Wrong. mRNA vaccine technology has been in the works for almost 20 years now. "Rushed" is a right-wing bullshit talking point born of ignorance and fear of what they consider "unknown".
Greg Utas wrote:
Maybe this doctor decided that, at this point, it's not worth it for many people.
Then said doctor needs to write up his research and present his evidence of updated risk factors to a major accepted medical publication for review before making that decision for "many people".
Greg Utas wrote:
We don't know the details, so it's unfortunate that you're ready to condemn someone who has evidently practiced medicine to this point under whatever requirements are in place.
You are correct. We don't know all the details of that GP's position. That's why writing it up for peer review is so damn important.
Greg Utas wrote:
I don't even know what to make of this whole situation. It often approaches religious fervor, and opinions of professionals who disagree
The opinions of merit in this case of those of epidemiologists and virologists. GP's don't have the experience or the research behind their disconnected opinions that the people who specialize in these fields do. If a GP has doubts about the virus or vaccines, these are the people they go consult with for advice, complete with their documentation to back up what they say.
Greg Utas wrote:
opinions of professionals who disagree with the efficacy of various mandates, including lockdowns, social distancing, and masks, have been routinely suppressed and censored.
It's the "top doctor" in your government who aggregates all of the papers and research on the subject and is the one with the job of presenting that consensus and recommendations for mitigation on a national level. Doctors and nurses on social media are NOT a valid source of medical advice. At this point, a single GP's opinion does NOT override the opinion of your "top doc" in the government. Think about it. Who has more data and research behind their state
The "top doctor" is a bureaucrat beholden to politics, and there's a lot of that when it comes to this, far more than "right-wing bullshit". I'm not talking about anecdotal stuff from nurses or GPs being suppressed, but the opinions of the types of professionals you mention. There's an unwillingness to debate or answer criticism, not to mention intolerance--to put it mildly--for those who question what others deem "settled science". I'm aware that mRNA vaccines have been in the works for many years, and even got a Nobel Prize I believe. But this is the first deployment, and FDA approval was for emergency use. It has yet to receive normal approval. That's just more bureaucracy to me, but it might have import for you.
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The "top doctor" is a bureaucrat beholden to politics, and there's a lot of that when it comes to this, far more than "right-wing bullshit". I'm not talking about anecdotal stuff from nurses or GPs being suppressed, but the opinions of the types of professionals you mention. There's an unwillingness to debate or answer criticism, not to mention intolerance--to put it mildly--for those who question what others deem "settled science". I'm aware that mRNA vaccines have been in the works for many years, and even got a Nobel Prize I believe. But this is the first deployment, and FDA approval was for emergency use. It has yet to receive normal approval. That's just more bureaucracy to me, but it might have import for you.
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The fox knows many things, but the hedgehog knows one big thing.Greg Utas wrote:
The "top doctor" is a bureaucrat beholden to politics
No, he's not. He was put into that political position by an idiot. That position was never politicized until Cheeto-Tweetalini decided to publicly contradict him, thinking he knows better than everyone else.
Greg Utas wrote:
when it comes to this, far more than "right-wing bullshit"
No, it's entirely right-wing bullshit. The right ALWAYS wraps everything they say, or policy they come up with, with fear. Hell, you're doing it right now. "I fear (or have doubts about) the vaccine because it's new and doesn't have full FDA approval." Normal approval still has to go through human trials, like it did last year, and all the data that's generated has to be submitted for "full approval", which takes another year. So, with the virus still running around, still killing people, AND STILL GENERATING MUTATIONS, do you really want to wait another year?
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Greg Utas wrote:
The "top doctor" is a bureaucrat beholden to politics
No, he's not. He was put into that political position by an idiot. That position was never politicized until Cheeto-Tweetalini decided to publicly contradict him, thinking he knows better than everyone else.
Greg Utas wrote:
when it comes to this, far more than "right-wing bullshit"
No, it's entirely right-wing bullshit. The right ALWAYS wraps everything they say, or policy they come up with, with fear. Hell, you're doing it right now. "I fear (or have doubts about) the vaccine because it's new and doesn't have full FDA approval." Normal approval still has to go through human trials, like it did last year, and all the data that's generated has to be submitted for "full approval", which takes another year. So, with the virus still running around, still killing people, AND STILL GENERATING MUTATIONS, do you really want to wait another year?
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Dave KreskowiakGiven your political diatribe, I'm signing off. We're sailing near the edge as it is. Just so you know, I have no use for either left-wing or right-wing bullshit.
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Given your political diatribe, I'm signing off. We're sailing near the edge as it is. Just so you know, I have no use for either left-wing or right-wing bullshit.
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The fox knows many things, but the hedgehog knows one big thing.Greg Utas wrote:
I have no use for either left-wing or right-wing bullshit.
Neither do I.
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Dave Kreskowiak -
Today is the first anniversary of our positive Covid test - hard to believe that it's been a whole year already, isn't it? Anyway, a short update on how we are a year from "confirmation": I'm OK - a bit down on "total energy" than I was, I still get tired a lot faster than I used to; my hair is growing back, but it's in that "stupid length" phase when it won't fit in the pony yet, but I can't "tidy it up" because I want to grow back to full length! Herself is not so good: the Covid has either caused or exacerbated emphysema (she smoked when young, but hasn't touched a cigarette in over 25 years, but had no known symptoms before the infection) and now has 6 "portable" O2 bottles, one big "Emergency" O2 bottle, and a oxygen concentrator which she used pretty much all the time she is awake in the house. Bloody noisy thing too - but I can't hear it too much in my office, unlike when I'm sharing a sofa with her ... She's had both her jabs, I'm waiting for an appointment for my second. I not trying to get into the "it's a bad cold" / "it's a killer" or the "have the jab" / "the jab tracks you" debate, just thought I'd let you know the view from a year after catching it. Still wearing masks, still washing hands, still wearing disposable Nitrile glove to go shopping ... still don;t want to spread it to anyone even inadvertently!
"I have no idea what I did, but I'm taking full credit for it." - ThisOldTony "Common sense is so rare these days, it should be classified as a super power" - Random T-shirt AntiTwitter: @DalekDave is now a follower!
I hope it will only get better and better... Longer hair for you and easy breathe for her...
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Today is the first anniversary of our positive Covid test - hard to believe that it's been a whole year already, isn't it? Anyway, a short update on how we are a year from "confirmation": I'm OK - a bit down on "total energy" than I was, I still get tired a lot faster than I used to; my hair is growing back, but it's in that "stupid length" phase when it won't fit in the pony yet, but I can't "tidy it up" because I want to grow back to full length! Herself is not so good: the Covid has either caused or exacerbated emphysema (she smoked when young, but hasn't touched a cigarette in over 25 years, but had no known symptoms before the infection) and now has 6 "portable" O2 bottles, one big "Emergency" O2 bottle, and a oxygen concentrator which she used pretty much all the time she is awake in the house. Bloody noisy thing too - but I can't hear it too much in my office, unlike when I'm sharing a sofa with her ... She's had both her jabs, I'm waiting for an appointment for my second. I not trying to get into the "it's a bad cold" / "it's a killer" or the "have the jab" / "the jab tracks you" debate, just thought I'd let you know the view from a year after catching it. Still wearing masks, still washing hands, still wearing disposable Nitrile glove to go shopping ... still don;t want to spread it to anyone even inadvertently!
"I have no idea what I did, but I'm taking full credit for it." - ThisOldTony "Common sense is so rare these days, it should be classified as a super power" - Random T-shirt AntiTwitter: @DalekDave is now a follower!
Incredibly sorry to hear this. I missed the original post. I will add both of you in my prayers.
Get well.
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Greg Utas wrote:
COVID-19 has primarily been a risk to the elderly and those with serious health issues
Not any more.
Greg Utas wrote:
Now vaccines with new technologies have been rushed to market.
Wrong. mRNA vaccine technology has been in the works for almost 20 years now. "Rushed" is a right-wing bullshit talking point born of ignorance and fear of what they consider "unknown".
Greg Utas wrote:
Maybe this doctor decided that, at this point, it's not worth it for many people.
Then said doctor needs to write up his research and present his evidence of updated risk factors to a major accepted medical publication for review before making that decision for "many people".
Greg Utas wrote:
We don't know the details, so it's unfortunate that you're ready to condemn someone who has evidently practiced medicine to this point under whatever requirements are in place.
You are correct. We don't know all the details of that GP's position. That's why writing it up for peer review is so damn important.
Greg Utas wrote:
I don't even know what to make of this whole situation. It often approaches religious fervor, and opinions of professionals who disagree
The opinions of merit in this case of those of epidemiologists and virologists. GP's don't have the experience or the research behind their disconnected opinions that the people who specialize in these fields do. If a GP has doubts about the virus or vaccines, these are the people they go consult with for advice, complete with their documentation to back up what they say.
Greg Utas wrote:
opinions of professionals who disagree with the efficacy of various mandates, including lockdowns, social distancing, and masks, have been routinely suppressed and censored.
It's the "top doctor" in your government who aggregates all of the papers and research on the subject and is the one with the job of presenting that consensus and recommendations for mitigation on a national level. Doctors and nurses on social media are NOT a valid source of medical advice. At this point, a single GP's opinion does NOT override the opinion of your "top doc" in the government. Think about it. Who has more data and research behind their state
I don't understand why it needs explaining either, Dave. Thanks for making the points. I'm a "right-winger" but not a zealot, BTW. It is an irony to me that the gov't is asking the citizens to do something to help the common good and yet many who scream loudly that they are "patriots" are the ones refusing to heed the call to action and hide behind poor logic and conspiracy. What are they really afraid of, needles?
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Greg Utas wrote:
COVID-19 has primarily been a risk to the elderly and those with serious health issues
Not any more.
Greg Utas wrote:
Now vaccines with new technologies have been rushed to market.
Wrong. mRNA vaccine technology has been in the works for almost 20 years now. "Rushed" is a right-wing bullshit talking point born of ignorance and fear of what they consider "unknown".
Greg Utas wrote:
Maybe this doctor decided that, at this point, it's not worth it for many people.
Then said doctor needs to write up his research and present his evidence of updated risk factors to a major accepted medical publication for review before making that decision for "many people".
Greg Utas wrote:
We don't know the details, so it's unfortunate that you're ready to condemn someone who has evidently practiced medicine to this point under whatever requirements are in place.
You are correct. We don't know all the details of that GP's position. That's why writing it up for peer review is so damn important.
Greg Utas wrote:
I don't even know what to make of this whole situation. It often approaches religious fervor, and opinions of professionals who disagree
The opinions of merit in this case of those of epidemiologists and virologists. GP's don't have the experience or the research behind their disconnected opinions that the people who specialize in these fields do. If a GP has doubts about the virus or vaccines, these are the people they go consult with for advice, complete with their documentation to back up what they say.
Greg Utas wrote:
opinions of professionals who disagree with the efficacy of various mandates, including lockdowns, social distancing, and masks, have been routinely suppressed and censored.
It's the "top doctor" in your government who aggregates all of the papers and research on the subject and is the one with the job of presenting that consensus and recommendations for mitigation on a national level. Doctors and nurses on social media are NOT a valid source of medical advice. At this point, a single GP's opinion does NOT override the opinion of your "top doc" in the government. Think about it. Who has more data and research behind their state
Our top doctor became a multi millionaire in the "service" of his country. Worked for decades on an AIDS vaccine, which has not yet arrived, but will soon. He just needs more time and money. His current occuptation is politician where he travels with The Great Reset crowd. A firm believer that government and more government is the solution, with edicts enforced with the full power of the burocracy.
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The "top doctor" is a bureaucrat beholden to politics, and there's a lot of that when it comes to this, far more than "right-wing bullshit". I'm not talking about anecdotal stuff from nurses or GPs being suppressed, but the opinions of the types of professionals you mention. There's an unwillingness to debate or answer criticism, not to mention intolerance--to put it mildly--for those who question what others deem "settled science". I'm aware that mRNA vaccines have been in the works for many years, and even got a Nobel Prize I believe. But this is the first deployment, and FDA approval was for emergency use. It has yet to receive normal approval. That's just more bureaucracy to me, but it might have import for you.
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The fox knows many things, but the hedgehog knows one big thing.Greg Utas wrote:
, and FDA approval was for emergency use. It has yet to receive normal approval.
The only difference between the requirements for emergency and permanent approval is that the latter requires several years of followup so we know how long the shot will provide protection for.
Did you ever see history portrayed as an old man with a wise brow and pulseless heart, weighing all things in the balance of reason? Is not rather the genius of history like an eternal, imploring maiden, full of fire, with a burning heart and flaming soul, humanly warm and humanly beautiful? --Zachris Topelius
