A question about Convid-19 vaccine shot.

[dandy72]

Thanks for the link. This is exactly the sort of answer I was looking for.

[Jim Kolb 0]

"99.97% of everything on the Internet is crap."

Isn't that about the same percentage they give to the survival rate of having covid? :-D

[TylerMc007]

If you already had the virus, then your body already has antibodies in your blood which will help you fight off the virus in the future. This is not to say you will not get sick again, however, you will likely not get as sick as if you didn't already have those antibodies in your blood. That's what the vaccine does: it gives you a more mild case of the virus which forces your body to produce the antibodies. So, if you already had the virus, it may not be necessary to get a vaccine (but I'm not an immunologist). Is the vaccine safe? You have to judge that for yourself and understand your own health. I know people who have received the vaccine with no ill effects. However, my sister had a mild heart attack which was related to blood clotting one week after receiving the vaccine. She's 39 years old. Truth.

[thewazz]

Oh, I'm calm. :zzz: Did you say something?

[techie007]

Member 14751866 wrote:

"This message has been flagged as potential spam and is awaiting moderation"

Everyone with a low-ish post count gets that message. Stop being paranoid, and stop spreading misinformation.

[Kacee Giger]

Everyone has different opinions and have read different articles, but here's where I'm at. Get the vaccine if: 65+ years old and have not had the virus, 75+ years old regardless of having virus, or underlying health condition that makes getting the virus more dangerous. For all other cases, risks associated with the vaccine out weigh the risks of the virus.

[nobody158]

Had the virus, Got both shots, both made me feel like I had the virus again for 1-2 days. I would say its much better to get the vaccine than the actual virus as I was out for 2 weeks with it. I did talk with my doc and public health officials they said their was very little risk with getting the shot even after being exposed to the virus.

[Member_14751866]

Thank you techie007, I admit that my anger at the word spam was wrong but I stand by my statements about the pharmaceutical industry being organized crime and Ivermectin being very powerful against severe acute respiratory syndrome. Sure I am paranoid. Paranoia is healthy when surrounded by blind and deaf and dumb people who deny that conspiracy can be. It is irrational to trust that experts are right, that conspiracy is impossible etc and it is rational to question everything and be on the lookout for criminal behaviors. I'll try and be more specific and polite then thanks chuck

[AnotherKen]

If you have already been exposed to the virus and survived, then you have already developed natural immunity to the strain of the Covid-19 virus that infected you. It has been found that new variants do not very enough to re-infect most people with resistance (so far). Now from a technical standpoint, what I would recommend at this point is to go to a hospital or clinic and get tested to see if you have sufficient immunity not to require a vaccine shot. In this case your medical record would show you have immunity and then you could not be pestered by people over not being vaccinated. However, it is possible that health professionals could still suggest vaccination. If vaccination is recommended by health professionals then it would be a very good idea to go through with it.

[scott mcnulty]

My understanding is that if you've had Covid and get the vaccine then it is no more harmful than if you never had Covid and take the vaccines. Here's the CDC's take on it. Frequently Asked Questions about COVID-19 Vaccination | CDC[^] I'm currently job hunting (in the US). My big fear was that I was going to have to prove I'd gotten my vaccination before I would be allowed to work for my next job. I have run the numbers given out by the CDC in the US against 2018 deaths as a control and came up with the opinion that the disease is quite deadly, counting as third leading cause of death in the US. Right behind Cancer and Heart disease but so much higher than the next category down that the deaths had to be from a new source.

US Numbers only
All numbers taken from 2018 as the control year except covid
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Heart Disease = 655,381
Cancer = 599,274
Covid = 336,802 <== where covid fits from 2020 as of Dec 31, 2020.
Accidents = 167,127
Chronic lower respiratory diseases = 159,486
Stroke = 147,810
Alzheimer's = 122,019
Diabetes = 84,946
Influenze, Pneumonia (the "flu") = 59,120
Nephritis (nephrotic syndrome, nephrosis) = 51,386
Intentional self-harm (suicide) = 48,344
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Source: CDC and https://covidtracking.com/data/national

You mention that you don't know if you've had the disease, but you know you were exposed. My opinion is that you treat that as if you didn't get the disease since not every exposure results in an infection. Then make your decision accordingly. My opinion is that the vaccine is the better choice but that's just an opinion. Both sides of this equation are filled with FUD. I didn't go through everyone's answer but the worry you didn't mention was the effectiveness against new strains of Covid. Here's a quick article on that. A Real-World Look at COVID-19 Vaccines Versus New Variants –

[scott mcnulty]

In all of that, I forgot the other compelling reason to consider getting the vaccine. One of the risks of Covid is that you won't die but you will get long-term effects. A friend of mine who got Covid and survived gets problems just walking to the end of her driveway and back. She now has breathing issues. My worry is the stories of brain fog and fatigue. For someone in the business of using their brain at a high rate over long periods of time (probably everyone on this site) this would seem to be a factor they should add to their decision-making. COVID ‘Long Haulers’: Long-Term Effects of COVID-19 | Johns Hopkins Medicine[^] Good luck with your decision.

[Gary R Wheeler]

Huh. Fortunately correlation is not causality. I read that in a book somewhere. Or saw it on Star Trek. One of the two.

Software Zen: delete this;

[willichan]

First of all, this isn't really an answer to the question you asked, but is related to it. It is something that I view as important, despite the apparent lack of concern by media and government. Although I am generally in favor of the vaccine (I drove two of my children in to get their shots), if you are CMV negative, I encourage holding off. CMV negative blood (only about 15% of the U.S. population, not sure of other countries) can also be used for newborn infants and for immune compromised patients (like cancer patients or HIV patients), whereas CMV positive can not. There is no current research out on how the vaccine affects the usability of blood for these types of patients yet. If you are CMV negative, I encourage donating blood as frequently as you can, and holding off on getting your vaccination until the research results are out. And, of course, do everything you can to prevent exposure to COVID-19 and other viruses. Any time there is a limited source pool of blood donors, that pool should be protected. I'll admit that this is a somewhat personal issue to me. My sister has been going through treatments for Leukemia. Before receiving a bone marrow transplant to rebuild her immune system, she underwent very strong chemotherapy to literally wipe her own compromised immune system completely out. During that time, she had to have a lot of blood transfusions to keep her platelet counts up where they needed to be. Her marrow transplant went well, and everything is looking good, but it is a 1 year process to slowly allow the transplanted immune system to take over. During that time, if she needs blood, it will still have to be from CMV negative donations. I live too far away to directly give her my blood, so I am thankful for those donations that others closer to her made. As a CMV negative donor myself, I make donations as often as I am allowed to, to help patients in my area. If you are curious, you can take a look at the CMV negative page on the American Red Cross site. ---------- Money makes the world go round ... but documentation moves the money.

[User 14060113]

If you're under 70 and have less than 3 severe illness preconditions, then the side-effects of the vaccination are probably about as dangerous for you as the infection itself. Plus, the vaccination only trains your antibodies, which are only able to fight the current mutation of the virus, so it needs to be refreshed with every new mutation. That is not immunity in terms of viral respiratory diseases. Immunity can only be achieved by having an infection every now and then, which trains your T cells and keeps them up-to-date with current and also with future mutations of the Corona virus. As the vaccination temporarily prevents you from being infected and your T cells from being trained, it in fact even weakens your immunity in the long run. And then you will need the next vaccination even more, because the longer you haven't been infected, the more disastrous your next infection will be. And Sars-Cov-2 will not go away, so you *will* have the next infection some day. So if you're young and healthy: Bet your money on the infection, not on the vaccination.

[englebart]

Consider getting an antibody test that measures quantity and not just presence. If you still have lots of antibodies that will help you and your doctor make the decision.

[W Balboos GHB]

And the precident had already been set: When Mrs. wife was teaching she needed proof of flu shot or had to wear a mask. Years before COVID.

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[Leo56]

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the health risks are very minimal

and if you can still say that in 10 years time I'll have the jab - promise! ;P

[KateAshman]

Please reconsider, if the virus keeps circulating it might mutate beyond our ability to vaccinate against it. That would suck so bad.