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  • OriginalGriffO OriginalGriff

    ... but won't tell you why you can't run it. But this (in theory) does: Want to know why your PC can't upgrade to Windows 11? Theres an app for that | TechRadar[^] Interestingly, my Surface Go 2 the tool says "no way José", but this app says it's all fine - so the chances are the MS tool needs some ... um ... tweaking. My desktop on the other hand ... Red for legacy boot method, Partition type not GPT, Secure Boot disabled, TMP missing or not detected. Amber for the CPU compatibility.

    "I have no idea what I did, but I'm taking full credit for it." - ThisOldTony "Common sense is so rare these days, it should be classified as a super power" - Random T-shirt AntiTwitter: @DalekDave is now a follower!

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    pkfox
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    I used the M$ tool on my Surface Pro 7 and it says it will run ok

    "I didn't mention the bats - he'd see them soon enough" - Hunter S Thompson - RIP

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    • OriginalGriffO OriginalGriff

      ... but won't tell you why you can't run it. But this (in theory) does: Want to know why your PC can't upgrade to Windows 11? Theres an app for that | TechRadar[^] Interestingly, my Surface Go 2 the tool says "no way José", but this app says it's all fine - so the chances are the MS tool needs some ... um ... tweaking. My desktop on the other hand ... Red for legacy boot method, Partition type not GPT, Secure Boot disabled, TMP missing or not detected. Amber for the CPU compatibility.

      "I have no idea what I did, but I'm taking full credit for it." - ThisOldTony "Common sense is so rare these days, it should be classified as a super power" - Random T-shirt AntiTwitter: @DalekDave is now a follower!

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      Vikram A Punathambekar
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      I checked my BIOS and it says TPM is available and enabled. Running Win 10 64 bit on a HP Pavilion laptop, bought as recently as Aug 2020. But when I run cmd as an admin and launch tpm.msc, it says:

      Compatible Trusted Platform Module (TPM) cannot be found on this computer. Verify that this computer has a 1.2 TPM or later and it is turned on in the BIOS.

      Anybody got a clue as to what might be wrong?

      Cheers, Vikram.

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      • M Maximilien

        LOL, I tried the Windows tool and it cannot check my work PC because Windows is handled/managed by my organisation. Anyway, I'm pretty sure my couple of years old work PC (dell) does not have the TPM chip. :rolleyes:

        CI/CD = Continuous Impediment/Continuous Despair

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        Cp Coder
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        I have a 3 year (almost) old Dell XPS desktop and it is fully compatible with 11. So it must have a TPM chip. Yours may have it too?

        Get me coffee and no one gets hurt!

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        • OriginalGriffO OriginalGriff

          ... but won't tell you why you can't run it. But this (in theory) does: Want to know why your PC can't upgrade to Windows 11? Theres an app for that | TechRadar[^] Interestingly, my Surface Go 2 the tool says "no way José", but this app says it's all fine - so the chances are the MS tool needs some ... um ... tweaking. My desktop on the other hand ... Red for legacy boot method, Partition type not GPT, Secure Boot disabled, TMP missing or not detected. Amber for the CPU compatibility.

          "I have no idea what I did, but I'm taking full credit for it." - ThisOldTony "Common sense is so rare these days, it should be classified as a super power" - Random T-shirt AntiTwitter: @DalekDave is now a follower!

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          W Balboos GHB
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          The tool will only run correctly on Win7 . . . wherein it tells you not to be a dolt and upgrade at all.

          Ravings en masse^

          "The difference between genius and stupidity is that genius has its limits." - Albert Einstein

          "If you are searching for perfection in others, then you seek disappointment. If you seek perfection in yourself, then you will find failure." - Balboos HaGadol Mar 2010

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          • OriginalGriffO OriginalGriff

            ... but won't tell you why you can't run it. But this (in theory) does: Want to know why your PC can't upgrade to Windows 11? Theres an app for that | TechRadar[^] Interestingly, my Surface Go 2 the tool says "no way José", but this app says it's all fine - so the chances are the MS tool needs some ... um ... tweaking. My desktop on the other hand ... Red for legacy boot method, Partition type not GPT, Secure Boot disabled, TMP missing or not detected. Amber for the CPU compatibility.

            "I have no idea what I did, but I'm taking full credit for it." - ThisOldTony "Common sense is so rare these days, it should be classified as a super power" - Random T-shirt AntiTwitter: @DalekDave is now a follower!

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            Dan Neely
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            Thanks, it confirms what I suspected with my CrapBookPro (and presumably @chris-maunder 's latop as well). TPM missing/disabled. IIRC Apple uses its own crypto chip for macos, which makes me wonder if they've bothered to emulate TPM or provide an option to enable the chipset's soft TPM or just decided they couldn't be :elephant:ing bothered to do more than the bare minimum for bootcamp support. The wretched power management on their hardware in windows makes me fear the latter.

            Did you ever see history portrayed as an old man with a wise brow and pulseless heart, weighing all things in the balance of reason? Is not rather the genius of history like an eternal, imploring maiden, full of fire, with a burning heart and flaming soul, humanly warm and humanly beautiful? --Zachris Topelius

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            • OriginalGriffO OriginalGriff

              ... but won't tell you why you can't run it. But this (in theory) does: Want to know why your PC can't upgrade to Windows 11? Theres an app for that | TechRadar[^] Interestingly, my Surface Go 2 the tool says "no way José", but this app says it's all fine - so the chances are the MS tool needs some ... um ... tweaking. My desktop on the other hand ... Red for legacy boot method, Partition type not GPT, Secure Boot disabled, TMP missing or not detected. Amber for the CPU compatibility.

              "I have no idea what I did, but I'm taking full credit for it." - ThisOldTony "Common sense is so rare these days, it should be classified as a super power" - Random T-shirt AntiTwitter: @DalekDave is now a follower!

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              kmoorevs
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              The MSI tool quickly let me know that my processor is not supported. I took my chances and ran the other tool which showed all green except the processor. (amber with a question mark?) This is a 3 y/o Lenovo desktop with an AMD A12-9800 Radeon R7. This is the first time ever that a processor is incompatible with an MS upgrade. Hopefully you are correct in that the MSI tool is buggy/incomplete. :thumbsup: Personally, I'm fine with Win10, and was even better with Win7. I only need it to install on a test system so I can certify our desktop apps.

              "Go forth into the source" - Neal Morse "Hope is contagious"

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              • OriginalGriffO OriginalGriff

                ... but won't tell you why you can't run it. But this (in theory) does: Want to know why your PC can't upgrade to Windows 11? Theres an app for that | TechRadar[^] Interestingly, my Surface Go 2 the tool says "no way José", but this app says it's all fine - so the chances are the MS tool needs some ... um ... tweaking. My desktop on the other hand ... Red for legacy boot method, Partition type not GPT, Secure Boot disabled, TMP missing or not detected. Amber for the CPU compatibility.

                "I have no idea what I did, but I'm taking full credit for it." - ThisOldTony "Common sense is so rare these days, it should be classified as a super power" - Random T-shirt AntiTwitter: @DalekDave is now a follower!

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                dandy72
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                When it first came out, I just booted the ISO from a Hyper-V Gen1 VM without giving any second thought. The host doesn't have any of that crap enabled either. Seems to work fine. I haven't tried to install it on the bare metal, but then, I do everything in VMs nowadays. My primary host OS is still 2012 R2.

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                • C Cp Coder

                  I have a 3 year (almost) old Dell XPS desktop and it is fully compatible with 11. So it must have a TPM chip. Yours may have it too?

                  Get me coffee and no one gets hurt!

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                  Maximilien
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                  nope. my xeon w-2133 is [not listed](https://docs.microsoft.com/en-us/windows-hardware/design/minimum/supported/windows-11-supported-intel-processors) as supported. :-(

                  CI/CD = Continuous Impediment/Continuous Despair

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                  • M Maximilien

                    nope. my xeon w-2133 is [not listed](https://docs.microsoft.com/en-us/windows-hardware/design/minimum/supported/windows-11-supported-intel-processors) as supported. :-(

                    CI/CD = Continuous Impediment/Continuous Despair

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                    Cp Coder
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                    :rose:

                    Get me coffee and no one gets hurt!

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                    • D dandy72

                      When it first came out, I just booted the ISO from a Hyper-V Gen1 VM without giving any second thought. The host doesn't have any of that crap enabled either. Seems to work fine. I haven't tried to install it on the bare metal, but then, I do everything in VMs nowadays. My primary host OS is still 2012 R2.

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                      Peter R Fletcher
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                      According to what I have read, Hyper-V emulates TPM for VMs running under it. Your experience strongly suggests that it can do this even if the host doesn't have the hardware and/or doesn't have it enabled.

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                      • C Cp Coder

                        I have a 3 year (almost) old Dell XPS desktop and it is fully compatible with 11. So it must have a TPM chip. Yours may have it too?

                        Get me coffee and no one gets hurt!

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                        Steve Naidamast
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                        I just ran the Windows 11 PC Check program on my own Dell XPS desktop and it passed without any issues. I wonder if it will work on my Dell Precision laptop with a Xeon chipset...

                        Steve Naidamast Sr. Software Engineer Black Falcon Software, Inc. blackfalconsoftware@outlook.com

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                        • OriginalGriffO OriginalGriff

                          ... but won't tell you why you can't run it. But this (in theory) does: Want to know why your PC can't upgrade to Windows 11? Theres an app for that | TechRadar[^] Interestingly, my Surface Go 2 the tool says "no way José", but this app says it's all fine - so the chances are the MS tool needs some ... um ... tweaking. My desktop on the other hand ... Red for legacy boot method, Partition type not GPT, Secure Boot disabled, TMP missing or not detected. Amber for the CPU compatibility.

                          "I have no idea what I did, but I'm taking full credit for it." - ThisOldTony "Common sense is so rare these days, it should be classified as a super power" - Random T-shirt AntiTwitter: @DalekDave is now a follower!

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                          zezba9000
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                          Secure boot must be enabled I think.

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                            According to what I have read, Hyper-V emulates TPM for VMs running under it. Your experience strongly suggests that it can do this even if the host doesn't have the hardware and/or doesn't have it enabled.

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                            dandy72
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                            Gen-2 Hyper-V VMs offer a lot more options when it comes to these settings, so I'm of the opposite mind - older VMs don't have any of these options. Maybe these extra checks simply aren't present in that leaked build.

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                            • Z zezba9000

                              Secure boot must be enabled I think.

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                              Peter Shaw
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                              I strongly suspect that a LOT of folks will just stay in win10, and you know what? I think ms will be more than happy with that, because I've had this feeling for a long time now, that they are trying to leave the general consumer market behind and just concentrate on the enterprise, where most of their money comes from. I could type more as to why I think this, but this damn droid tablet is giving me wrist cramp 😀 In a nutshell though, they are not going after sites like the-eye.eu for hosting made mirrors, not are they trying to stop the sheer amount of folks that are now writing offline kms services allowing you to with pretty much any key you want, in short they pretty much have given up on enforcing win 10 piracy, unless it's huge scale.

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