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  • M Mike Hankey

    I prefer the former, why make the call if there's a problem?

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    Marc Clifton
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    #11

    What if (no pun intended), the "if" actually required more complex logic, including perhaps some nested stuff, like:

    if (foo != null)
    {
    var data = GetSomeData(foo.SomeValue);

    if (data has some specific value/s)
    {
    DoSomething();
    }
    }

    From an aesthetic point of view, I dislike putting all that into the main method, hence why I've got a couple "Maybe..." methods because the above scenario matches in pseudo-code what I'm actually having to deal with.

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    • M Marc Clifton

      What if (no pun intended), the "if" actually required more complex logic, including perhaps some nested stuff, like:

      if (foo != null)
      {
      var data = GetSomeData(foo.SomeValue);

      if (data has some specific value/s)
      {
      DoSomething();
      }
      }

      From an aesthetic point of view, I dislike putting all that into the main method, hence why I've got a couple "Maybe..." methods because the above scenario matches in pseudo-code what I'm actually having to deal with.

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      Mike Hankey
      wrote on last edited by
      #12

      True there are always exceptions but for the simple example you gave I still prefer the former for the less complicated logic.

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      • M Marc Clifton

        if (foo)
        {
        DoSomething();
        }

        or:

        MaybeDoSomething(foo);
        ...
        MaybeDoSomething(bool foo)
        {
        if (foo)
        {
        // do the something.
        }
        }

        eh?

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        rnbergren
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        #13

        the first. Almost without exception always. Even if the logic starts to get complex. It will still be understandable to read. PAinful potentially. but the second is harder to read and the more complex it gets the better in comparison to the first, but the first will always be more readable. IMO. ymmv. and all that quid pro quo that goes with all that.

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        • M Marc Clifton

          if (foo)
          {
          DoSomething();
          }

          or:

          MaybeDoSomething(foo);
          ...
          MaybeDoSomething(bool foo)
          {
          if (foo)
          {
          // do the something.
          }
          }

          eh?

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          RickZeeland
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          #14

          I Don't Believe In If Anymore - YouTube[^] :-\

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          • M Marc Clifton

            if (foo)
            {
            DoSomething();
            }

            or:

            MaybeDoSomething(foo);
            ...
            MaybeDoSomething(bool foo)
            {
            if (foo)
            {
            // do the something.
            }
            }

            eh?

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            Kschuler
            wrote on last edited by
            #15

            Both have a usage. If it's code that is going to be reused somewhere else, version 2. If it's lots of crazy complicated code, version 2. If it's pretty simple and not reused, version 1.

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            • M Marc Clifton

              if (foo)
              {
              DoSomething();
              }

              or:

              MaybeDoSomething(foo);
              ...
              MaybeDoSomething(bool foo)
              {
              if (foo)
              {
              // do the something.
              }
              }

              eh?

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              Jon McKee
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              #16

              To me, it mainly depends on whether foo is incidental to (option #1), sufficient for (option #2), or necessary for (option #3) the execution of DoSomething(). Option #3 would be refactoring DoSomething() to include foo so not always an option. So if foo gatekeeps the execution of DoSomething() in this one spot but not others then it's incidental. If foo gatekeeps DoSomething() in a lot of spots but not all then it's sufficient. If foo always gatekeeps DoSomething() then it's necessary.

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              • K Kschuler

                Both have a usage. If it's code that is going to be reused somewhere else, version 2. If it's lots of crazy complicated code, version 2. If it's pretty simple and not reused, version 1.

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                peterkmx
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                #17

                Good points ...

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                • M Marc Clifton

                  if (foo)
                  {
                  DoSomething();
                  }

                  or:

                  MaybeDoSomething(foo);
                  ...
                  MaybeDoSomething(bool foo)
                  {
                  if (foo)
                  {
                  // do the something.
                  }
                  }

                  eh?

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                  CodeWomble
                  wrote on last edited by
                  #18

                  I much prefer the first method. Having said that I have been trying to dis the second method and the only things I can say is it looks ugly and is doing more than one thing (both testing if something can be done and doing it.) It has the advantage that the test is explicit that it should be done. And yes, I have well over-thought this... :confused: -showing my working out- Renaming the foo variable to suit what it is being used for:

                  if (canDoSomething)
                  {
                  DoSomething();
                  }

                  or:

                  DoSomethingIfPossible(canDoSomething);
                  ...
                  DoSomethingIfPossible(bool canDoSomething)
                  {
                  if (canDoSomething)
                  {
                  // do the something.
                  }
                  }

                  Or, if renaming the variables is not viable you could try these three convoluted options:

                  if (CanDoSomething(foo))
                  {
                  DoSomething();
                  }

                  bool CanDoSomething(bool canDoSomething)
                  {
                  return canDoSomething;
                  }

                  or:

                  DoSomethingIfPossible(CanDoSomething(foo));
                  ...
                  DoSomethingIfPossible(bool canDoSomething)
                  {
                  if (canDoSomething)
                  {
                  // do the something.
                  }
                  }

                  bool CanDoSomething(bool canDoSomething)
                  {
                  return canDoSomething;
                  }

                  or:

                  DoSomethingIfPossible(foo);
                  ...
                  DoSomethingIfPossible(bool foo)
                  {
                  if (CanDoSomething(foo))
                  {
                  // do the something.
                  }
                  }

                  bool CanDoSomething(bool canDoSomething)
                  {
                  return canDoSomething;
                  }

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                  • K Kschuler

                    Both have a usage. If it's code that is going to be reused somewhere else, version 2. If it's lots of crazy complicated code, version 2. If it's pretty simple and not reused, version 1.

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                    Marc Clifton
                    wrote on last edited by
                    #19

                    Agreed! :)

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                    • C CodeWomble

                      I much prefer the first method. Having said that I have been trying to dis the second method and the only things I can say is it looks ugly and is doing more than one thing (both testing if something can be done and doing it.) It has the advantage that the test is explicit that it should be done. And yes, I have well over-thought this... :confused: -showing my working out- Renaming the foo variable to suit what it is being used for:

                      if (canDoSomething)
                      {
                      DoSomething();
                      }

                      or:

                      DoSomethingIfPossible(canDoSomething);
                      ...
                      DoSomethingIfPossible(bool canDoSomething)
                      {
                      if (canDoSomething)
                      {
                      // do the something.
                      }
                      }

                      Or, if renaming the variables is not viable you could try these three convoluted options:

                      if (CanDoSomething(foo))
                      {
                      DoSomething();
                      }

                      bool CanDoSomething(bool canDoSomething)
                      {
                      return canDoSomething;
                      }

                      or:

                      DoSomethingIfPossible(CanDoSomething(foo));
                      ...
                      DoSomethingIfPossible(bool canDoSomething)
                      {
                      if (canDoSomething)
                      {
                      // do the something.
                      }
                      }

                      bool CanDoSomething(bool canDoSomething)
                      {
                      return canDoSomething;
                      }

                      or:

                      DoSomethingIfPossible(foo);
                      ...
                      DoSomethingIfPossible(bool foo)
                      {
                      if (CanDoSomething(foo))
                      {
                      // do the something.
                      }
                      }

                      bool CanDoSomething(bool canDoSomething)
                      {
                      return canDoSomething;
                      }

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                      Marc Clifton
                      wrote on last edited by
                      #20

                      I like the "IfPossible" version as well. I'll have to remember that.

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                      • M Marc Clifton

                        if (foo)
                        {
                        DoSomething();
                        }

                        or:

                        MaybeDoSomething(foo);
                        ...
                        MaybeDoSomething(bool foo)
                        {
                        if (foo)
                        {
                        // do the something.
                        }
                        }

                        eh?

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                        Mircea Neacsu
                        wrote on last edited by
                        #21

                        How about:

                        #define DOSOMETHING_IF(A) if((A)) DoSomething()

                        - No extra calls if condition is false. - No repeated if statements visble

                        Mircea

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                        • M Marc Clifton

                          if (foo)
                          {
                          DoSomething();
                          }

                          or:

                          MaybeDoSomething(foo);
                          ...
                          MaybeDoSomething(bool foo)
                          {
                          if (foo)
                          {
                          // do the something.
                          }
                          }

                          eh?

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                          Wizard of Sleeves
                          wrote on last edited by
                          #22

                          There are only three acceptable reasons for creating a function: 1. If there is more than one occurrence of the segment of code. 2. It makes reading the code more logical.

                          if(itShouldBeDone(foo)) {
                          doSomething()
                          }

                          3. to confuse the next poor soul who gets to work on your code.

                          function itShouldBeDone(foo){
                          return decideWhatToDo(foo);
                          }

                          function decideWhatToDo(foo){
                          let decision= false;
                          if(typeof foo == "boolean") {
                          switch(foo){
                          case true:
                          decision= foo;
                          break;
                          case false:
                          decision= !foo;
                          break;
                          default:
                          decision= true;
                          }
                          }
                          return false;
                          }

                          Nothing succeeds like a budgie without teeth.

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                          • M Marc Clifton

                            if (foo)
                            {
                            DoSomething();
                            }

                            or:

                            MaybeDoSomething(foo);
                            ...
                            MaybeDoSomething(bool foo)
                            {
                            if (foo)
                            {
                            // do the something.
                            }
                            }

                            eh?

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                            KateAshman
                            wrote on last edited by
                            #23

                            Definitely the first one. Low level functions should only do things, preferably in a class that can get mocked during testing. High level functions should decide which things are worth doing, and are prime targets to test.

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                            • M Marc Clifton

                              if (foo)
                              {
                              DoSomething();
                              }

                              or:

                              MaybeDoSomething(foo);
                              ...
                              MaybeDoSomething(bool foo)
                              {
                              if (foo)
                              {
                              // do the something.
                              }
                              }

                              eh?

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                              CPallini
                              wrote on last edited by
                              #24

                              The first one.

                              "In testa che avete, Signor di Ceprano?" -- Rigoletto

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                              • M Marc Clifton

                                if (foo)
                                {
                                DoSomething();
                                }

                                or:

                                MaybeDoSomething(foo);
                                ...
                                MaybeDoSomething(bool foo)
                                {
                                if (foo)
                                {
                                // do the something.
                                }
                                }

                                eh?

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                                rob tillaart
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                                #25

                                I prefer the first as the DoSomething() function is explicit what it does. just like the second it encapsulates all actions to be done, that is what functions are made for. The second MaybeDoSomething(bool foo) function is less explicit. Is the "maybe" related to the bool parameter? Suppose so, but that is an assumption, or? And will it "doSomething" if the parameter is false or when the bool is true? For me the first construct does not have these question and is therefor more clear.

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                                • M Marc Clifton

                                  if (foo)
                                  {
                                  DoSomething();
                                  }

                                  or:

                                  MaybeDoSomething(foo);
                                  ...
                                  MaybeDoSomething(bool foo)
                                  {
                                  if (foo)
                                  {
                                  // do the something.
                                  }
                                  }

                                  eh?

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                                  den2k88
                                  wrote on last edited by
                                  #26

                                  It depends. If The Something is part of the business logic I would encapsulate it, if it is simple flow control I wouldn't. Encapsulating in a different subroutine offers better options for bugfixing, bug reporting, logging, maintenance, refacotring, rewriting, whatever.

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                                  • M Marc Clifton

                                    if (foo)
                                    {
                                    DoSomething();
                                    }

                                    or:

                                    MaybeDoSomething(foo);
                                    ...
                                    MaybeDoSomething(bool foo)
                                    {
                                    if (foo)
                                    {
                                    // do the something.
                                    }
                                    }

                                    eh?

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                                    Private Dobbs
                                    wrote on last edited by
                                    #27

                                    Option 1 unless there is a need for re-use. Going back to my days in machine code when every clock cycle counts then the overhead of the call to a method would leave me no choice but to use option 1.

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                                    • D David ONeil

                                      foo ? DoSomething() : ; :-D Simpler is better!

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                                      Daniel Pfeffer
                                      wrote on last edited by
                                      #28

                                      :rolleyes: This isn't the obfuscated C contest, and there is no prize for using the minimal number of keystrokes.

                                      Freedom is the freedom to say that two plus two make four. If that is granted, all else follows. -- 6079 Smith W.

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                                      • M Marc Clifton

                                        if (foo)
                                        {
                                        DoSomething();
                                        }

                                        or:

                                        MaybeDoSomething(foo);
                                        ...
                                        MaybeDoSomething(bool foo)
                                        {
                                        if (foo)
                                        {
                                        // do the something.
                                        }
                                        }

                                        eh?

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                                        YahiaEQ
                                        wrote on last edited by
                                        #29

                                        Depends on context but esp. in complex scenarios I like the second form because it allows for having clearer understand of the flow while being composable: I could have a bigger methods which calculates certains states and then calls several MayBe-methods... It allows the MayBe-method to be called based on the state which in turn can be easily serialized and deserialized (which is not so easy with an "if"-Statement).

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                                        • M Marc Clifton

                                          if (foo)
                                          {
                                          DoSomething();
                                          }

                                          or:

                                          MaybeDoSomething(foo);
                                          ...
                                          MaybeDoSomething(bool foo)
                                          {
                                          if (foo)
                                          {
                                          // do the something.
                                          }
                                          }

                                          eh?

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                                          Delphi 7 Solutions
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                                          #30

                                          from a debugging point of view the second is a nightmare, you need to step into the maybe to know if it happend or not. I will take the first code any time

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