Food For Though
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I subscribe to a number of online medical sites (MD-oriented). One pointed out a rather interesting concept that is all-too-relevant in today's world: ". . . no one demands randomized clinical trials of parachutes." Make of it what you will (I find it profound in its simplicity) - it's actually something to consider in long-term decision making and not just in today's obvious context.
"The difference between genius and stupidity is that genius has its limits." - Albert Einstein
"If you are searching for perfection in others, then you seek disappointment. If you seek perfection in yourself, then you will find failure." - Balboos HaGadol Mar 2010
Exactly. No one way of testing (or developing or documenting) "things" is appropriate for all types of things.
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You fail to abstract the concept (i.e., a long term utilization). As for "is the parachute to blame" idea - I think that's more an apples and oranges than what I posted. The point is to use good judgement as to weighing risks vs. the absolute verifiability of "Proof of Concept". Probably because of my rather heavy science background, but results are almost invariably given with error-bars. That is a measure of certainty, and obviously, uncertainty, in how likely one is able to duplicate the results (what, in fact, equates to duplication of a claim). Unfortunately turning directly to the vaccine concept: they best of them were given ca. 95% effectiveness in preventing the disease. That means 5% will, in fact, get the disease: breakthrough infections. The media hype of these breakthroughs is ridiculous in that it was already part of the description . . . a given. Even those in the 5% group apparently benifit greatly from the extreme reduction in the seriousness of the illness. But the point of real interest - hundreds of millions of vaccinations given with virtually no ill effects - certainly in light of the alternative situation that existed - should give one cause to consider the true cost/benefit ratio: risk of vaccination vs. risk of none. In my personal point of view, we've actually had a huge Phase III trial - the clearly observable outcomes of those who have and those who have not been vaccinated. You can choose to believe the results or not. Human nature, unfortunately, tends to "herd" people towards believing primarily what they want to hear.* * And that can be applied to me and my above reply, can it not?
"The difference between genius and stupidity is that genius has its limits." - Albert Einstein
"If you are searching for perfection in others, then you seek disappointment. If you seek perfection in yourself, then you will find failure." - Balboos HaGadol Mar 2010
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W∴ Balboos, GHB wrote:
risk of vaccination vs. risk of none.
Hard to know for sure. There was just an article a couple of weeks ago that 100% of people in someplace in the UK that had recently gotten COVID were vaccinated. I don't remember the details.
SeeSharp2 wrote:
There was just an article a couple of weeks ago that 100%
One of our current era's greatest problems - "you read it somewhere" - That could be very interesting, or made up, or true-ish, leaving out important facts that can cast an entirely different light on the report. Just the way things have become. But that aside, I can point out that in the US (Mainly Pizer, then Moderna and J&J), the vast majority of cases in the what I'd call "anti-vax" states are the unvaccinated and, when you move on to hospitalization, it's all but exclusively the unvaccinated. The real point (to me) has always been not 100% protection from catching it but essentially 100% protection from getting very sick from it. That's where I put my money.
"The difference between genius and stupidity is that genius has its limits." - Albert Einstein
"If you are searching for perfection in others, then you seek disappointment. If you seek perfection in yourself, then you will find failure." - Balboos HaGadol Mar 2010
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SeeSharp2 wrote:
There was just an article a couple of weeks ago that 100%
One of our current era's greatest problems - "you read it somewhere" - That could be very interesting, or made up, or true-ish, leaving out important facts that can cast an entirely different light on the report. Just the way things have become. But that aside, I can point out that in the US (Mainly Pizer, then Moderna and J&J), the vast majority of cases in the what I'd call "anti-vax" states are the unvaccinated and, when you move on to hospitalization, it's all but exclusively the unvaccinated. The real point (to me) has always been not 100% protection from catching it but essentially 100% protection from getting very sick from it. That's where I put my money.
"The difference between genius and stupidity is that genius has its limits." - Albert Einstein
"If you are searching for perfection in others, then you seek disappointment. If you seek perfection in yourself, then you will find failure." - Balboos HaGadol Mar 2010
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W∴ Balboos, GHB wrote:
risk of vaccination vs. risk of none.
Hard to know for sure. There was just an article a couple of weeks ago that 100% of people in someplace in the UK that had recently gotten COVID were vaccinated. I don't remember the details.
In the U.S. almost 100% ofthe people dying, or severly affected by Covid, including the 5 variant, are those not vaccinated. ABC Nightly News. Also 99% of those severly affected, to a person, said they wished they'd been vaccinated. I don't know what's going on in the UK, but, short of a bad batch of the vacine, or placebo innoculations, I have trouble believing that.
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Plus, the use of "placebo parachutes" is going to be ... um ... unpopular :~
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Liked the way you dropped that one in!:cool:
Repo Man
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W∴ Balboos, GHB wrote:
risk of vaccination vs. risk of none.
Hard to know for sure. There was just an article a couple of weeks ago that 100% of people in someplace in the UK that had recently gotten COVID were vaccinated. I don't remember the details.
That's hardly surprising, in fact it's inevitable. In the extreme case, 100% of the population will be vaccinated, and in some localities, it's already close to that now. So of those who fall into that "5%" (for whom vaccination does not prevent covid), 100% of them will have been vaccinated. But as a result of vaccination, the number of people who got Covid is 1/20th what it would have been without.
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I subscribe to a number of online medical sites (MD-oriented). One pointed out a rather interesting concept that is all-too-relevant in today's world: ". . . no one demands randomized clinical trials of parachutes." Make of it what you will (I find it profound in its simplicity) - it's actually something to consider in long-term decision making and not just in today's obvious context.
"The difference between genius and stupidity is that genius has its limits." - Albert Einstein
"If you are searching for perfection in others, then you seek disappointment. If you seek perfection in yourself, then you will find failure." - Balboos HaGadol Mar 2010
You got that right! Those government goon got us! I am going to stop using parachutes effective immediately!! :mad: :laugh: (I think I'll be fine, I never jumped out of a perfectly working plane yet!)
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I subscribe to a number of online medical sites (MD-oriented). One pointed out a rather interesting concept that is all-too-relevant in today's world: ". . . no one demands randomized clinical trials of parachutes." Make of it what you will (I find it profound in its simplicity) - it's actually something to consider in long-term decision making and not just in today's obvious context.
"The difference between genius and stupidity is that genius has its limits." - Albert Einstein
"If you are searching for perfection in others, then you seek disappointment. If you seek perfection in yourself, then you will find failure." - Balboos HaGadol Mar 2010
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W∴ Balboos, GHB wrote:
risk of vaccination vs. risk of none.
Hard to know for sure. There was just an article a couple of weeks ago that 100% of people in someplace in the UK that had recently gotten COVID were vaccinated. I don't remember the details.
SeeSharp2 wrote:
an article a couple of weeks ago that 100% of people in someplace in the UK that had recently gotten COVID were vaccinated
You may be referring to the recent statement by Patrick Vallance - see here COVID-19: Vallance corrects mistake to say 60% of people being admitted to hospital with coronavirus are unvaccinated | UK News | Sky News[^]
