Last weeks survey showed we are a "senior weighted" group.
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Not so much an alternative as Additions
Old Man Trouble
... or the list when you're in grumpy old :elephant: mode, like I was when I wrote it
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dandy72 wrote:
OriginalGriff wrote:
There is nothing left to learn the hard way.
I don't know about you, but I'm totally bucking that trend.
Yup! We are never too old to do something stupid!
BryanFazekas wrote:
We are never too old to do something stupid!
That described my first couple of years programming in C#/.NET. After a long history of writing C++/MFC apps it was tough. I was either re-inventing the wheel (there is a prodigious amount of stuff in .NET, even in the 3.5 days), or I was trying to use C++/MFC best practices in C#/.NET/WPF. Ironically, those 'best practices' eventually caused me to buy a .NET memory profiler, stop development for about three months, and rework a metric crap-ton of code.
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Last survey week just showed a "senior weighted" group answered last survey week :) To find out the true age distribution of Code Project users. We would have to carry out a survey on a random sample or carry out a census.
Sorry for my bad English
I seem to remember your birthdate was an optional part of your profile at one time. It seems to have been removed, unfortunately (for this circumstance). We could have curried the member list for active members and charted their ages.
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So for the younger elements, here are some of the advantages of increased seniority:* The things you buy won't wear out.
- There is nothing left to learn the hard way.
- People no longer view you as a hypochondriac.
- You can have a party and the neighbours don't even notice.
- Your secrets are safe with your friends because they can't remember them either.
"I have no idea what I did, but I'm taking full credit for it." - ThisOldTony "Common sense is so rare these days, it should be classified as a super power" - Random T-shirt AntiTwitter: @DalekDave is now a follower!
One more: * The extended warranty on your gadgets is longer than your warranty :sigh:
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dandy72 wrote:
OriginalGriff wrote:
There is nothing left to learn the hard way.
I don't know about you, but I'm totally bucking that trend.
Yup! We are never too old to do something stupid!
As an old timer (64), I know that experience provides the ability to spot a mistake when you make it, again.
Cheers, Mike Fidler "I intend to live forever - so far, so good." Steven Wright "I almost had a psychic girlfriend but she left me before we met." Also Steven Wright "I'm addicted to placebos. I could quit, but it wouldn't matter." Steven Wright yet again.
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I'm old and retired but I love programming enough that I regularly spend 3 or 4 hours a day coding and understand what I am doing so much more than I ever did before. I'm not available for hire though because no way will I work more than those 3 or 4 hours.
john morrison leon wrote:
I'm not available for hire though because no way will I work more than those 3 or 4 hours.
That should not be a big problem. You are probably going to be more productive than some working 8-10 hours ;)
M.D.V. ;) If something has a solution... Why do we have to worry about?. If it has no solution... For what reason do we have to worry about? Help me to understand what I'm saying, and I'll explain it better to you Rating helpful answers is nice, but saying thanks can be even nicer.
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An alternate view in places:
- The things you bought 20 years ago are still working. The crap you buy today dies a week later.
- Everything you learn now seems like the hard way to accomplish something. Why can't it be simple like it used to be?
- People no longer view you as interesting in any way.
- You avoid parties because you just want to go to bed early.
- Your friends are dead.
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You avoid parties because you just want to go to bed early.
President Reagan said (paraphrasing from memory), "You know you're getting old when you have two ways to get into trouble, and you pick the one that gets you home before 9 o'clock."
Cheers, Mike Fidler "I intend to live forever - so far, so good." Steven Wright "I almost had a psychic girlfriend but she left me before we met." Also Steven Wright "I'm addicted to placebos. I could quit, but it wouldn't matter." Steven Wright yet again.
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So for the younger elements, here are some of the advantages of increased seniority:* The things you buy won't wear out.
- There is nothing left to learn the hard way.
- People no longer view you as a hypochondriac.
- You can have a party and the neighbours don't even notice.
- Your secrets are safe with your friends because they can't remember them either.
"I have no idea what I did, but I'm taking full credit for it." - ThisOldTony "Common sense is so rare these days, it should be classified as a super power" - Random T-shirt AntiTwitter: @DalekDave is now a follower!
As one of the seniors I wanted to respond to this... but seems I don't remember now exactly what I wanted to say other than I *do* purchase things and think "the last one I'll ever need to buy - barring misadventure". One must always allow for misadventure. Time for my mid-morning nap before refactoring some NHibernate.
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So for the younger elements, here are some of the advantages of increased seniority:* The things you buy won't wear out.
- There is nothing left to learn the hard way.
- People no longer view you as a hypochondriac.
- You can have a party and the neighbours don't even notice.
- Your secrets are safe with your friends because they can't remember them either.
"I have no idea what I did, but I'm taking full credit for it." - ThisOldTony "Common sense is so rare these days, it should be classified as a super power" - Random T-shirt AntiTwitter: @DalekDave is now a follower!
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So for the younger elements, here are some of the advantages of increased seniority:* The things you buy won't wear out.
- There is nothing left to learn the hard way.
- People no longer view you as a hypochondriac.
- You can have a party and the neighbours don't even notice.
- Your secrets are safe with your friends because they can't remember them either.
"I have no idea what I did, but I'm taking full credit for it." - ThisOldTony "Common sense is so rare these days, it should be classified as a super power" - Random T-shirt AntiTwitter: @DalekDave is now a follower!
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So for the younger elements, here are some of the advantages of increased seniority:* The things you buy won't wear out.
- There is nothing left to learn the hard way.
- People no longer view you as a hypochondriac.
- You can have a party and the neighbours don't even notice.
- Your secrets are safe with your friends because they can't remember them either.
"I have no idea what I did, but I'm taking full credit for it." - ThisOldTony "Common sense is so rare these days, it should be classified as a super power" - Random T-shirt AntiTwitter: @DalekDave is now a follower!
I have T-shirts that are older than many of the engineers that I work with these days. It amazes them that I instantly have solutions to almost all of their programming problems. I'm getting bored with saying "been there, done that."
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So for the younger elements, here are some of the advantages of increased seniority:* The things you buy won't wear out.
- There is nothing left to learn the hard way.
- People no longer view you as a hypochondriac.
- You can have a party and the neighbours don't even notice.
- Your secrets are safe with your friends because they can't remember them either.
"I have no idea what I did, but I'm taking full credit for it." - ThisOldTony "Common sense is so rare these days, it should be classified as a super power" - Random T-shirt AntiTwitter: @DalekDave is now a follower!
In my case, since my first language learnt was FORTRAN IV, All code written today in a language like C#, resembles the FORTRAN coding paradigm.
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I seem to remember your birthdate was an optional part of your profile at one time. It seems to have been removed, unfortunately (for this circumstance). We could have curried the member list for active members and charted their ages.
Software Zen:
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So for the younger elements, here are some of the advantages of increased seniority:* The things you buy won't wear out.
- There is nothing left to learn the hard way.
- People no longer view you as a hypochondriac.
- You can have a party and the neighbours don't even notice.
- Your secrets are safe with your friends because they can't remember them either.
"I have no idea what I did, but I'm taking full credit for it." - ThisOldTony "Common sense is so rare these days, it should be classified as a super power" - Random T-shirt AntiTwitter: @DalekDave is now a follower!
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dandy72 wrote:
OriginalGriff wrote:
There is nothing left to learn the hard way.
I don't know about you, but I'm totally bucking that trend.
Yup! We are never too old to do something stupid!
The birthday card I got my friend a few weeks back summed that up perfectly: Old Enough to Know Better Young Enough Not To Care Stupid Enough To Do It Anyway 🤣🤣🤣
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Ever-fresh-and-sparkling OriginalGriff and this past-his-use-by-date dull-patinated antique do not see eye-to-eye here :) I assert the survey suggests nothing more than a snapshot of the opinions of the few developers out of 15+ million CP members ... who chose ... had the time ... to take a survey ... in one short-timed sampling period.
"There is nothing left to learn the hard way."Try learning Angular ! Try creating a usable multi-platform app using only MS tools."People no longer view you as a hypochondriac."Weak hypothesis: the older programmers who responded pay less attention to what "people" think, in general. For me, I observe my full attention (on CP) is activated/aroused by content from a select group of people that includes (drum-roll): OriginalGriff. slightly OT: imho, "selective inattention," "signal from noise filtering," is an important psychological strength for a programmer. In my odd career, I have observed this may develop in different ways for a programmer (like this one) who works from experimenting with data and prototyping towards algorithms in a "stepwise refinement" cycle ... and, the "top-down" programmer who wants schemas, Backus-Naur diagrams; who works from algorithms toward coding and prototyping."You can have a party and the neighbours don't even notice."Because older programmers have thicker walls ? Because your current loss of employment has caused you to move to a tenement full of drug-dealers playing hip-hop at ear-shattering levels ? :)"Your secrets are safe with your friends because they can't remember them either."Consider the antithesis: more at risk because they can't remember what was secret. I like to say to my students who are so fearful of taking risks: "If you never fall, you will never know what getting-up ... is, or, understand what balance ... is" ... to those who throw code all over the place without discipline, they get a different platitude ;)«The mind is not a vessel to be filled but a fire to be kindled» Plutarch
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You avoid parties because you just want to go to bed early.
President Reagan said (paraphrasing from memory), "You know you're getting old when you have two ways to get into trouble, and you pick the one that gets you home before 9 o'clock."
Cheers, Mike Fidler "I intend to live forever - so far, so good." Steven Wright "I almost had a psychic girlfriend but she left me before we met." Also Steven Wright "I'm addicted to placebos. I could quit, but it wouldn't matter." Steven Wright yet again.
I love it.
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I assumed it was something like that.
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The birthday card I got my friend a few weeks back summed that up perfectly: Old Enough to Know Better Young Enough Not To Care Stupid Enough To Do It Anyway 🤣🤣🤣
That would have been a great card for me this year, as I passed the
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In my case, since my first language learnt was FORTRAN IV, All code written today in a language like C#, resembles the FORTRAN coding paradigm.
Amarnath S wrote:
All code written today in a language like C#, resembles the FORTRAN coding paradigm
What are you smoking, and why didn't you bring enough to share? :wtf:
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