Are PCs more expensive than 3 years ago ?
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So I bought my son an hp pavilion with 1T SSD, 16Gb RAM and an i5 with a middle good Radeon four years ago for 530€. It is a fairly decent PC, even gaming is fine. Now the same setup (for any brand) is starting at about 900€. What the elephant ? OK, Covid, shortness of chips, raw material costs, etc... but really ? Paying at least double as much for the same thing four years later - has the industry gone crazy ?
Also lots of people went smartphone for their Facebook needs, and lots of gamers went console. There is no same need for general purpose computers like it was ten years ago.
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So I bought my son an hp pavilion with 1T SSD, 16Gb RAM and an i5 with a middle good Radeon four years ago for 530€. It is a fairly decent PC, even gaming is fine. Now the same setup (for any brand) is starting at about 900€. What the elephant ? OK, Covid, shortness of chips, raw material costs, etc... but really ? Paying at least double as much for the same thing four years later - has the industry gone crazy ?
They are, for what I saw. I wanted to change a couple key components on my PC to keep it powerful, it's not worth it. I'd end up paying the same amount I paid to build it from scratch and the benchmark performances wouldn't increase by much.
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As within other industry, they charge all the traffic will bear. There are shipping problems, chip fabric problems, COVID issues, etc., but the biggest problem is that people are simply buying more equipment for "remote work" etc. One result of a shortage is price rises. Econ. 101.
Freedom is the freedom to say that two plus two make four. If that is granted, all else follows. -- 6079 Smith W.
Don't forget all the people who have perfectly good PCs, but can't run Windows 11.:mad: And a lot of people are desperate to have the latest stuff from Microsoft. ;P
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As within other industry, they charge all the traffic will bear. There are shipping problems, chip fabric problems, COVID issues, etc., but the biggest problem is that people are simply buying more equipment for "remote work" etc. One result of a shortage is price rises. Econ. 101.
Freedom is the freedom to say that two plus two make four. If that is granted, all else follows. -- 6079 Smith W.
There are also still many scalpers, with botfarms, which grab up any GPU priced less than 150% of retail and even then many will grab them. Those captcha are basically nothing except a hassle for the real humans ensuring that the real bots walk away with the prizes. That allows many vendors to raise their prices. Even Microcenter has got ridiculous with their pricing, and they held the line for so very long.
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Don't forget all the people who have perfectly good PCs, but can't run Windows 11.:mad: And a lot of people are desperate to have the latest stuff from Microsoft. ;P
I doubt that is all that many people. Most of those will want to wait till it actually comes on their new machine.
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So I bought my son an hp pavilion with 1T SSD, 16Gb RAM and an i5 with a middle good Radeon four years ago for 530€. It is a fairly decent PC, even gaming is fine. Now the same setup (for any brand) is starting at about 900€. What the elephant ? OK, Covid, shortness of chips, raw material costs, etc... but really ? Paying at least double as much for the same thing four years later - has the industry gone crazy ?
To get to some nitty details to see if what comparing from 5 years ago (2016) to today, Ill try to quickly mention some specs. Storage, iv a feeling SSD ratinied pricing. so unlike HDD over 5 years. would be 1TB to 4TB. but SSD maybe 1TB to 2TB. RAM - which did you get in 2016 - DDR3 was common, and DDR4 was new. So if comparing with 2021 prices, is that DDR3 (2016) to DDR4 (2021) prices or if comparing to the currently new DDR5. i5 - Intel is on the 11th generation of i5 cores. So can be an easily hidden and overlooked comparison. If the 2016 was a year old of purchase, might have been a bargain and generation they phasing out, versus now (yes with stock shortages) with an equally one year old 10th generation, or if comparing to a newer 11th generation. likly comparing with the comparable intel chip might be tricky to match price as the numbers and when they released versus purchased requires a bit of digging through. stable component comparison to look at: 2016 - ddr3, 1TB ssd, 6th gen intel i5 (6400 / 6500) 2021 - ddr4, 2tb ssd, 10th gen intel i5 (10400 / 10500)
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To get to some nitty details to see if what comparing from 5 years ago (2016) to today, Ill try to quickly mention some specs. Storage, iv a feeling SSD ratinied pricing. so unlike HDD over 5 years. would be 1TB to 4TB. but SSD maybe 1TB to 2TB. RAM - which did you get in 2016 - DDR3 was common, and DDR4 was new. So if comparing with 2021 prices, is that DDR3 (2016) to DDR4 (2021) prices or if comparing to the currently new DDR5. i5 - Intel is on the 11th generation of i5 cores. So can be an easily hidden and overlooked comparison. If the 2016 was a year old of purchase, might have been a bargain and generation they phasing out, versus now (yes with stock shortages) with an equally one year old 10th generation, or if comparing to a newer 11th generation. likly comparing with the comparable intel chip might be tricky to match price as the numbers and when they released versus purchased requires a bit of digging through. stable component comparison to look at: 2016 - ddr3, 1TB ssd, 6th gen intel i5 (6400 / 6500) 2021 - ddr4, 2tb ssd, 10th gen intel i5 (10400 / 10500)
You are right, one should not compare bananas with apples. DDR4 in my case, i5 of 6th generation, and 2T HDD. Still, I do not think that a similar spec with an 11th generation i5 and 512Gb SDD (this is what I looked up) should cost double than what I wrote above.
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You are right, one should not compare bananas with apples. DDR4 in my case, i5 of 6th generation, and 2T HDD. Still, I do not think that a similar spec with an 11th generation i5 and 512Gb SDD (this is what I looked up) should cost double than what I wrote above.
Just reminded myself of m2 ssd. but quick search the prices aren't that much different. I think the chips themselves are the same and just connector/housing is the big difference. Apart from supply shortages, I do not know enough if the difference of motherboard with m2 slot could shift another 20$ on tag, but yeah not x2 price for similar aged kit. Also if the i5 looking at has on board graphics,. i think they have had for some time, just another food for thought.
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So I bought my son an hp pavilion with 1T SSD, 16Gb RAM and an i5 with a middle good Radeon four years ago for 530€. It is a fairly decent PC, even gaming is fine. Now the same setup (for any brand) is starting at about 900€. What the elephant ? OK, Covid, shortness of chips, raw material costs, etc... but really ? Paying at least double as much for the same thing four years later - has the industry gone crazy ?
inflation. and this time you can't change currency to protect your value, because every national currency is affected.
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Not only PCs... I have to buy new car, so when looking I saw some of them going up to almost 10% in a weekend. Checking Friday: 80k, Checking Monday: 87k Same car, same handler. I was like :wtf: :wtf: :wtf:
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i don't know how many lives were protected, but now additional 350 millions (of the top of my head) may die out of starvation, world wide.
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i don't know how many lives were protected, but now additional 350 millions (of the top of my head) may die out of starvation, world wide.
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M.D.V. ;) If something has a solution... Why do we have to worry about?. If it has no solution... For what reason do we have to worry about? Help me to understand what I'm saying, and I'll explain it better to you Rating helpful answers is nice, but saying thanks can be even nicer.