Windows XP
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It was twenty years ago today, Microsoft taught XP to play! (With apologies to the Beatles :-D ) Are you, or any of your customers, clients or friends still using XP?
Entropy will win in the end.
Yes I have it on a Netbook which is around 10 years old.
“That which can be asserted without evidence, can be dismissed without evidence.”
― Christopher Hitchens
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I am daily. Development tools dictate it.
Charlie Gilley <italic>Stuck in a dysfunctional matrix from which I must escape... "Where liberty dwells, there is my country." B. Franklin, 1783 “They who can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety.” BF, 1759
Ditto.
"the debugger doesn't tell me anything because this code compiles just fine" - random QA comment "Facebook is where you tell lies to your friends. Twitter is where you tell the truth to strangers." - chriselst "I don't drink any more... then again, I don't drink any less." - Mike Mullikins uncle
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It was twenty years ago today, Microsoft taught XP to play! (With apologies to the Beatles :-D ) Are you, or any of your customers, clients or friends still using XP?
Entropy will win in the end.
I know for a fact a scary number of embedded systems use XPe (Air traffic control monitors, Aircraft carriers, railway signals and on) , whch was part of the reason it was kept so long. :rolleyes:
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It was twenty years ago today, Microsoft taught XP to play! (With apologies to the Beatles :-D ) Are you, or any of your customers, clients or friends still using XP?
Entropy will win in the end.
I have an old service manual app for my old car (1999) that comes in a XP virtual machine.
It was only in wine that he laid down no limit for himself, but he did not allow himself to be confused by it. ― Confucian Analects: Rules of Confucius about his food
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It was twenty years ago today, Microsoft taught XP to play! (With apologies to the Beatles :-D ) Are you, or any of your customers, clients or friends still using XP?
Entropy will win in the end.
Yeah, we still have some XP in a local LAN in the field... I suppose those will stop working first, when the hardware says: "until here and no more"
M.D.V. ;) If something has a solution... Why do we have to worry about?. If it has no solution... For what reason do we have to worry about? Help me to understand what I'm saying, and I'll explain it better to you Rating helpful answers is nice, but saying thanks can be even nicer.
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It was twenty years ago today, Microsoft taught XP to play! (With apologies to the Beatles :-D ) Are you, or any of your customers, clients or friends still using XP?
Entropy will win in the end.
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I am daily. Development tools dictate it.
Charlie Gilley <italic>Stuck in a dysfunctional matrix from which I must escape... "Where liberty dwells, there is my country." B. Franklin, 1783 “They who can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety.” BF, 1759
Me too! :-O
Entropy will win in the end
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I know for a fact a scary number of embedded systems use XPe (Air traffic control monitors, Aircraft carriers, railway signals and on) , whch was part of the reason it was kept so long. :rolleyes:
I'm not so sure that is scary. I have developed on WinCE for a very long time - because the hardware never changes, the systems are incredibly stable. Now, my code? :) I would much rather have CE or XPe than Windows NT... NT Leaves Navy ship Dead in the water.[^] of course this is a long time ago. The biggest issue I've seen for us is that users (factory workers, engineers, scientists, etc) use these control systems as if they were simple PCs. I've gotten back storage that was completely corrupted by viruses. Iran lost a number of centrifuges due to Stuxnet - almost certainly introduced when some intelligent person plugged in an unknown USB drive to a control system computer.
Charlie Gilley <italic>Stuck in a dysfunctional matrix from which I must escape... "Where liberty dwells, there is my country." B. Franklin, 1783 “They who can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety.” BF, 1759
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I'm not so sure that is scary. I have developed on WinCE for a very long time - because the hardware never changes, the systems are incredibly stable. Now, my code? :) I would much rather have CE or XPe than Windows NT... NT Leaves Navy ship Dead in the water.[^] of course this is a long time ago. The biggest issue I've seen for us is that users (factory workers, engineers, scientists, etc) use these control systems as if they were simple PCs. I've gotten back storage that was completely corrupted by viruses. Iran lost a number of centrifuges due to Stuxnet - almost certainly introduced when some intelligent person plugged in an unknown USB drive to a control system computer.
Charlie Gilley <italic>Stuck in a dysfunctional matrix from which I must escape... "Where liberty dwells, there is my country." B. Franklin, 1783 “They who can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety.” BF, 1759
The fact you could use VB & C# on something embedded was a big shock to me. I come from an Electronics & Low level back ground. Mind you the Stuxnet thing meant now we don't leave USB ports physically accessable. Upgrading stuff on the shop floor has gone from emailing a file to having to go down physically remove the lid (many security things to make life difficult) find the header, plug a USB header in, boot the system and upgrade! :omg:
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The fact you could use VB & C# on something embedded was a big shock to me. I come from an Electronics & Low level back ground. Mind you the Stuxnet thing meant now we don't leave USB ports physically accessable. Upgrading stuff on the shop floor has gone from emailing a file to having to go down physically remove the lid (many security things to make life difficult) find the header, plug a USB header in, boot the system and upgrade! :omg:
Agreed. Many high security locations epoxy the USB ports. Many years ago, I worked on an USAF Afb supporting and developing for Vaxes. The DOD ran a security sweep doing two things. First, they attempted to penetrate any system they saw on the network. At the time, they could not get past the VMS security, but they found numerous Unix machines wide open with unpatched issues. So, they hacked in, modified the login screen or some other obvious place to say something like "You've been hacked, please call the base security office (insert phone # here) immediately!" And then they waited. And no one called. :doh: I think a key part of security is simply paying attention. The also did another test. They created many thousands of infected USB drives and leave them in parking lots, bathrooms, etc. Even though security protocols dictated to turn in these devices to security, it was uncanny how many really smart people shoved them into their machines, cause, you know, I just got to know.
Charlie Gilley <italic>Stuck in a dysfunctional matrix from which I must escape... "Where liberty dwells, there is my country." B. Franklin, 1783 “They who can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety.” BF, 1759
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Agreed. Many high security locations epoxy the USB ports. Many years ago, I worked on an USAF Afb supporting and developing for Vaxes. The DOD ran a security sweep doing two things. First, they attempted to penetrate any system they saw on the network. At the time, they could not get past the VMS security, but they found numerous Unix machines wide open with unpatched issues. So, they hacked in, modified the login screen or some other obvious place to say something like "You've been hacked, please call the base security office (insert phone # here) immediately!" And then they waited. And no one called. :doh: I think a key part of security is simply paying attention. The also did another test. They created many thousands of infected USB drives and leave them in parking lots, bathrooms, etc. Even though security protocols dictated to turn in these devices to security, it was uncanny how many really smart people shoved them into their machines, cause, you know, I just got to know.
Charlie Gilley <italic>Stuck in a dysfunctional matrix from which I must escape... "Where liberty dwells, there is my country." B. Franklin, 1783 “They who can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety.” BF, 1759
Just thinking, I ought to pay attention to the log in screen...