has anybody hired developers from this site?
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I have an urgent need to build a windows application and want to hire someone to do it in short time. did anyone here hire someone from www.upwork.com from other countries? any experience to share?
diligent hands rule....
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I have an urgent need to build a windows application and want to hire someone to do it in short time. did anyone here hire someone from www.upwork.com from other countries? any experience to share?
diligent hands rule....
I used to ply my trade on upwork (i think it used to be called o-desk) but I've never hired anyone else from it, FWIW.
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I have an urgent need to build a windows application and want to hire someone to do it in short time. did anyone here hire someone from www.upwork.com from other countries? any experience to share?
diligent hands rule....
Greetings Kind Regards May I inquire as no doubt you are a fine programmer why you need to hire out and out of curiosity what the requirements are - Cheerio
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I have an urgent need to build a windows application and want to hire someone to do it in short time. did anyone here hire someone from www.upwork.com from other countries? any experience to share?
diligent hands rule....
"What's upwork?" "Not much, you?" "Wait, what?" On a serious note, don't know the website, but I've been looking for employees myself and I can't say my experience with recruiters or recruitment platforms has been a good one. Especially since there's such a huge shortage and chances are you'll be left with "leftovers" (the sort of dev who doesn't have a CP account ;p). As a small shop, my main barriers are costs and language. Regarding language, I'm Dutch and my clients are Dutch, so my code is Dutch. I've tried doing it in English in the past, but my customers have plenty of jargon and Google Translate doesn't always get it right (I once ended up with manure country instead of fattening country because the Dutch word is the same for both :laugh:). On top of that, it's always difficult when a customer calls and asks for X and I'll have to think of the translation and multiple devs used multiple translations... And regarding costs, many recruiters ask for a fee that's months of salary for an employee or an hourly fee on top of a freelancer's fee that makes their hourly wage more than I can bill my (also often small) clients. Doing anything for fixed price is pretty much impossible for such rates. Also, don't underestimate the time and effort it costs to manage an external developer, especially when dealing with different languages and/or cultures. And what do you want for support when the job is finished? A freelancer is often unavailable and you'll either need to figure out the software yourself or find someone else and go through all the hassle again. I'm interviewing two people this week who found me on a Dutch platform that doesn't bill me (yet) or developers (ever). Hopefully one of them will want to work for a small shop and not get a better offer with much higher pay from a Sogeti, Atos Origin, Cap Gemini, etc... Because they're looking too and willing to hire pretty much anyone :sigh: The struggle of finding good developers these days is real.
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"What's upwork?" "Not much, you?" "Wait, what?" On a serious note, don't know the website, but I've been looking for employees myself and I can't say my experience with recruiters or recruitment platforms has been a good one. Especially since there's such a huge shortage and chances are you'll be left with "leftovers" (the sort of dev who doesn't have a CP account ;p). As a small shop, my main barriers are costs and language. Regarding language, I'm Dutch and my clients are Dutch, so my code is Dutch. I've tried doing it in English in the past, but my customers have plenty of jargon and Google Translate doesn't always get it right (I once ended up with manure country instead of fattening country because the Dutch word is the same for both :laugh:). On top of that, it's always difficult when a customer calls and asks for X and I'll have to think of the translation and multiple devs used multiple translations... And regarding costs, many recruiters ask for a fee that's months of salary for an employee or an hourly fee on top of a freelancer's fee that makes their hourly wage more than I can bill my (also often small) clients. Doing anything for fixed price is pretty much impossible for such rates. Also, don't underestimate the time and effort it costs to manage an external developer, especially when dealing with different languages and/or cultures. And what do you want for support when the job is finished? A freelancer is often unavailable and you'll either need to figure out the software yourself or find someone else and go through all the hassle again. I'm interviewing two people this week who found me on a Dutch platform that doesn't bill me (yet) or developers (ever). Hopefully one of them will want to work for a small shop and not get a better offer with much higher pay from a Sogeti, Atos Origin, Cap Gemini, etc... Because they're looking too and willing to hire pretty much anyone :sigh: The struggle of finding good developers these days is real.
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Sander Rossel wrote:
The struggle of finding (local) good developers these days is real.
Which should cause wages to increase ( offer and demand), which is not the case.
I think wages are pretty much what they can be, at least for lots of companies. My customers are now paying what they want to pay and if I ask for more they'll simply keep using Excel or paper or their old system. In the Netherlands (and Europe?) you also have laws that prevent you from reducing salaries and firing people, so when you hire people in good economic times you may get in big trouble when times get worse.
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Greetings Kind Regards May I inquire as no doubt you are a fine programmer why you need to hire out and out of curiosity what the requirements are - Cheerio
timing is a major driver:)
diligent hands rule....
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I used to ply my trade on upwork (i think it used to be called o-desk) but I've never hired anyone else from it, FWIW.
Real programmers use butterflies
thanks for sharing this. I would like to give a try.
diligent hands rule....
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I think wages are pretty much what they can be, at least for lots of companies. My customers are now paying what they want to pay and if I ask for more they'll simply keep using Excel or paper or their old system. In the Netherlands (and Europe?) you also have laws that prevent you from reducing salaries and firing people, so when you hire people in good economic times you may get in big trouble when times get worse.
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Quote: laws that prevent you from reducing salaries Does that mean programmers from the same Euro Union? What about contracting from other countries? I am curious because I am a U.S. citizen living in Thailand doing C++ with MFC. Is there a chance of doing contract work in the Euro zone?
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Quote: laws that prevent you from reducing salaries Does that mean programmers from the same Euro Union? What about contracting from other countries? I am curious because I am a U.S. citizen living in Thailand doing C++ with MFC. Is there a chance of doing contract work in the Euro zone?
It doesn't apply to contractors, only employees. There's a whole bunch of different laws for contractors to which many companies have found a solution: make sure there's a middle man :laugh: Strictly speaking, it's probably possible to lower salaries, but it's not easy. But I'm not expert on these things so I can't really tell you more.
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I have an urgent need to build a windows application and want to hire someone to do it in short time. did anyone here hire someone from www.upwork.com from other countries? any experience to share?
diligent hands rule....
Why not outsource part of the project to an experience US software contractor? I'm just curious. I remember when I was looking for software work, I couldn't compete with off shore competition. But then again, when I read the job descriptions they were so complex and asked for the moon, that I couldn't see how these young offshore kids could even do the job. Then I tried a recruiter, and these recruiters were clueless about software. One recruiter tried to rate my skills and said I was I was pretty low on the totem pole and that I wanted too much money, when we never really got to the money part.
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Quote: laws that prevent you from reducing salaries Does that mean programmers from the same Euro Union? What about contracting from other countries? I am curious because I am a U.S. citizen living in Thailand doing C++ with MFC. Is there a chance of doing contract work in the Euro zone?
There is a chance, but the rates are significantly lower than in the US.
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There is a chance, but the rates are significantly lower than in the US.
I prototyped most of my application and figured out all technical details already. I just need someone to finish it quickly.
diligent hands rule....
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I have an urgent need to build a windows application and want to hire someone to do it in short time. did anyone here hire someone from www.upwork.com from other countries? any experience to share?
diligent hands rule....
Did you find anyone yet? Depending on what you need and when you need it I'd be willing to discuss doing this with JUUN Software, my own company. As said before, you get support and everything (and I didn't say that to sell myself). My current focus is web and cloud, but I've done plenty of WinForms back in the day (and still do from time to time). If you're interested you can hit the email button instead of the reply button and we'll discuss things off this forum.
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