JOE PROCOPIO - Mr. No-Code
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I just read the article by JOE PROCOPIO declaring that those who pooh-pooh no-code/MVP are just haters. But you have to bear in mind that JOE PROCOPIO created and sells a no-code product. So of course he would write an article like this. He also declares that he really doesn't care what anyone thinks about no-code. That he was a long time coder himself and saw the light. To be fair, there are a few no-code products. Most are done and have survived over decades; usually done by large companies like Microsoft. Excel is a prime example. But those kind of successes are relatively rare. I won't get into the overuse/abuse of business users using Excel sheets as a database. On the other hand, I am not so sure JOE PROCOPIO is either aware, or had to confront, products purported to be low/no-code products that were a disaster - as I pointer out in an earlier discussion - BizTalk, also created by Microsoft; just to mention a few. Lastly I need to point out, again, that these no-code tools almost always get pushed back to IT with requests for changes/additions/enhancements; and that's where the rubber does not meet the road. This side of his article leaves this issue out. And as he states in his article, I am saying that I don't care what these no-code companies or Joe says, I will find it simply to hard to believe that this never happens. And my question would be - 'Will the request for change(s)/enhancement(s) be for free'? The usual response by these companies are 'We will evaluate change requests in the coming future versions. Thank you for your input'.
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I just read the article by JOE PROCOPIO declaring that those who pooh-pooh no-code/MVP are just haters. But you have to bear in mind that JOE PROCOPIO created and sells a no-code product. So of course he would write an article like this. He also declares that he really doesn't care what anyone thinks about no-code. That he was a long time coder himself and saw the light. To be fair, there are a few no-code products. Most are done and have survived over decades; usually done by large companies like Microsoft. Excel is a prime example. But those kind of successes are relatively rare. I won't get into the overuse/abuse of business users using Excel sheets as a database. On the other hand, I am not so sure JOE PROCOPIO is either aware, or had to confront, products purported to be low/no-code products that were a disaster - as I pointer out in an earlier discussion - BizTalk, also created by Microsoft; just to mention a few. Lastly I need to point out, again, that these no-code tools almost always get pushed back to IT with requests for changes/additions/enhancements; and that's where the rubber does not meet the road. This side of his article leaves this issue out. And as he states in his article, I am saying that I don't care what these no-code companies or Joe says, I will find it simply to hard to believe that this never happens. And my question would be - 'Will the request for change(s)/enhancement(s) be for free'? The usual response by these companies are 'We will evaluate change requests in the coming future versions. Thank you for your input'.
Member 14840496 wrote:
That he was a long time coder himself and saw the light.
And of course used a pure no-code approach to create his product...
"The only place where Success comes before Work is in the dictionary." Vidal Sassoon, 1928 - 2012
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Member 14840496 wrote:
That he was a long time coder himself and saw the light.
And of course used a pure no-code approach to create his product...
"The only place where Success comes before Work is in the dictionary." Vidal Sassoon, 1928 - 2012
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I just read the article by JOE PROCOPIO declaring that those who pooh-pooh no-code/MVP are just haters. But you have to bear in mind that JOE PROCOPIO created and sells a no-code product. So of course he would write an article like this. He also declares that he really doesn't care what anyone thinks about no-code. That he was a long time coder himself and saw the light. To be fair, there are a few no-code products. Most are done and have survived over decades; usually done by large companies like Microsoft. Excel is a prime example. But those kind of successes are relatively rare. I won't get into the overuse/abuse of business users using Excel sheets as a database. On the other hand, I am not so sure JOE PROCOPIO is either aware, or had to confront, products purported to be low/no-code products that were a disaster - as I pointer out in an earlier discussion - BizTalk, also created by Microsoft; just to mention a few. Lastly I need to point out, again, that these no-code tools almost always get pushed back to IT with requests for changes/additions/enhancements; and that's where the rubber does not meet the road. This side of his article leaves this issue out. And as he states in his article, I am saying that I don't care what these no-code companies or Joe says, I will find it simply to hard to believe that this never happens. And my question would be - 'Will the request for change(s)/enhancement(s) be for free'? The usual response by these companies are 'We will evaluate change requests in the coming future versions. Thank you for your input'.
(for old members of CP) Are we talking about he who should not be named ? :rolleyes:
CI/CD = Continuous Impediment/Continuous Despair
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(for old members of CP) Are we talking about he who should not be named ? :rolleyes:
CI/CD = Continuous Impediment/Continuous Despair
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I just read the article by JOE PROCOPIO declaring that those who pooh-pooh no-code/MVP are just haters. But you have to bear in mind that JOE PROCOPIO created and sells a no-code product. So of course he would write an article like this. He also declares that he really doesn't care what anyone thinks about no-code. That he was a long time coder himself and saw the light. To be fair, there are a few no-code products. Most are done and have survived over decades; usually done by large companies like Microsoft. Excel is a prime example. But those kind of successes are relatively rare. I won't get into the overuse/abuse of business users using Excel sheets as a database. On the other hand, I am not so sure JOE PROCOPIO is either aware, or had to confront, products purported to be low/no-code products that were a disaster - as I pointer out in an earlier discussion - BizTalk, also created by Microsoft; just to mention a few. Lastly I need to point out, again, that these no-code tools almost always get pushed back to IT with requests for changes/additions/enhancements; and that's where the rubber does not meet the road. This side of his article leaves this issue out. And as he states in his article, I am saying that I don't care what these no-code companies or Joe says, I will find it simply to hard to believe that this never happens. And my question would be - 'Will the request for change(s)/enhancement(s) be for free'? The usual response by these companies are 'We will evaluate change requests in the coming future versions. Thank you for your input'.
I find it suspicious that his name spelled backwards reads OI POCORP :-\
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I just read the article by JOE PROCOPIO declaring that those who pooh-pooh no-code/MVP are just haters. But you have to bear in mind that JOE PROCOPIO created and sells a no-code product. So of course he would write an article like this. He also declares that he really doesn't care what anyone thinks about no-code. That he was a long time coder himself and saw the light. To be fair, there are a few no-code products. Most are done and have survived over decades; usually done by large companies like Microsoft. Excel is a prime example. But those kind of successes are relatively rare. I won't get into the overuse/abuse of business users using Excel sheets as a database. On the other hand, I am not so sure JOE PROCOPIO is either aware, or had to confront, products purported to be low/no-code products that were a disaster - as I pointer out in an earlier discussion - BizTalk, also created by Microsoft; just to mention a few. Lastly I need to point out, again, that these no-code tools almost always get pushed back to IT with requests for changes/additions/enhancements; and that's where the rubber does not meet the road. This side of his article leaves this issue out. And as he states in his article, I am saying that I don't care what these no-code companies or Joe says, I will find it simply to hard to believe that this never happens. And my question would be - 'Will the request for change(s)/enhancement(s) be for free'? The usual response by these companies are 'We will evaluate change requests in the coming future versions. Thank you for your input'.
I don't think JOE ever had a real business problem to solve. SCRATCH is "no-code". LEGO is "no-code"; essentially puzzle pieces like a plumbing system ... if you need a plumbing system.
"Before entering on an understanding, I have meditated for a long time, and have foreseen what might happen. It is not genius which reveals to me suddenly, secretly, what I have to say or to do in a circumstance unexpected by other people; it is reflection, it is meditation." - Napoleon I
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I don't think JOE ever had a real business problem to solve. SCRATCH is "no-code". LEGO is "no-code"; essentially puzzle pieces like a plumbing system ... if you need a plumbing system.
"Before entering on an understanding, I have meditated for a long time, and have foreseen what might happen. It is not genius which reveals to me suddenly, secretly, what I have to say or to do in a circumstance unexpected by other people; it is reflection, it is meditation." - Napoleon I
SCRATCH I wrote a two player backgammon game in scratch with no rules enforced. I wanted to make a one player version good enough to beat a kindergartner. I had to switch to C# with the crudest of data structures(just arrays) to develop the logic. No way I could have developed and tuned the algorithm in scratch. I was more interested in SCRATCH because the earlier versions were developed in Squeak smalltalk. A good language and core library to study.
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I just read the article by JOE PROCOPIO declaring that those who pooh-pooh no-code/MVP are just haters. But you have to bear in mind that JOE PROCOPIO created and sells a no-code product. So of course he would write an article like this. He also declares that he really doesn't care what anyone thinks about no-code. That he was a long time coder himself and saw the light. To be fair, there are a few no-code products. Most are done and have survived over decades; usually done by large companies like Microsoft. Excel is a prime example. But those kind of successes are relatively rare. I won't get into the overuse/abuse of business users using Excel sheets as a database. On the other hand, I am not so sure JOE PROCOPIO is either aware, or had to confront, products purported to be low/no-code products that were a disaster - as I pointer out in an earlier discussion - BizTalk, also created by Microsoft; just to mention a few. Lastly I need to point out, again, that these no-code tools almost always get pushed back to IT with requests for changes/additions/enhancements; and that's where the rubber does not meet the road. This side of his article leaves this issue out. And as he states in his article, I am saying that I don't care what these no-code companies or Joe says, I will find it simply to hard to believe that this never happens. And my question would be - 'Will the request for change(s)/enhancement(s) be for free'? The usual response by these companies are 'We will evaluate change requests in the coming future versions. Thank you for your input'.
Member 14840496 wrote:
That he was a long time coder himself and saw the light.
It is a disease which needs a cure that many developers think they know how to make the world an infinitely better place. Idioms that are successful take over the market place. Object oriented programming and relational databases are examples. In contrast attempts to create solutions that do not require coding have existed since at least the 80s yet no one uses any of them.
