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  • S Slow Eddie

    Just Sometimes?:confused::confused:

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    Alex C Duma
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    I had to work with Microsoft products for decades, and I can tell you they often have issues so big that they know of for years and don't fix you won't believe. It's like your car vendor will give your car with 3 wheels instead of 4 and kind-of get away with it. For instance Outlook mobile does not sync folders except for inbox and you miss emails unless you manually sync those folders yourself every 5 minutes MS Teams for instance will generate notifications for all your messages on all your devices, regardless you read them on your PC, also if you did not open teams on your phone for 1 week, you will get all notifications for every one of hundreds of messages you chat on your PC. How obvious it is it shouldn't be like that, did they never used whatsapp? And now with Windows 11, take taskbar missing drag and drop feature, which will take them 1 year to fix. Wasn't it obvious from the start it was hugely important for productivity. ...well I guess nobody is perfect, maybe not even close to perfect, regardless how big they are...

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      Upgrade PC so I can install Win 11: 8 cores, compatible i7 processor, TMP2 module (just in case), new SSD to stick it on, Directx12 video card, eveything it should need. Make a media creation USB on WIn 11 Surface Go. Make sure I know what software to install, and licence key numbers. Boot from USB. "This PC can't run Windows 11". Check the boot settings: TPM2.0 enabled, UEFI, Secure Boot. All enabled and functioning. No dice. Repeat. Get frustrated. Boot from previous HDD Win 10: run PC Health Check App. "Great news! This PC can run Win 11!" MAKE UP YOUR SODDING MIND! Looks like I'm not on the upgrade schedule, so I can't do a clean install ... so why not tell me that?

      "I have no idea what I did, but I'm taking full credit for it." - ThisOldTony "Common sense is so rare these days, it should be classified as a super power" - Random T-shirt AntiTwitter: @DalekDave is now a follower!

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      Thierry M
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      Windows 11 is a bit like Windows 8. I prefer to wait until next Summer when Microsoft will release Windows 11.1 to fix all the beta issues :)

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      • S Slow Eddie

        Yesterday, the last living WWII veteran died at the age of 112. The World War II museum, in New Orleans, plans to put up a plaque to memorialize him. By all accounts, he was a genuinely nice person.

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        How do you classify a WWII veteran? I know someone who is a mere 102 who served in the British Navy in WWII.

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        • OriginalGriffO OriginalGriff

          Upgrade PC so I can install Win 11: 8 cores, compatible i7 processor, TMP2 module (just in case), new SSD to stick it on, Directx12 video card, eveything it should need. Make a media creation USB on WIn 11 Surface Go. Make sure I know what software to install, and licence key numbers. Boot from USB. "This PC can't run Windows 11". Check the boot settings: TPM2.0 enabled, UEFI, Secure Boot. All enabled and functioning. No dice. Repeat. Get frustrated. Boot from previous HDD Win 10: run PC Health Check App. "Great news! This PC can run Win 11!" MAKE UP YOUR SODDING MIND! Looks like I'm not on the upgrade schedule, so I can't do a clean install ... so why not tell me that?

          "I have no idea what I did, but I'm taking full credit for it." - ThisOldTony "Common sense is so rare these days, it should be classified as a super power" - Random T-shirt AntiTwitter: @DalekDave is now a follower!

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          Peter Adam
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          Check secure boot in BIOS. DIY machine? Install the default keys in BIOS. Maybe CPU TPM is preferred by W11? You will not loose anything without W11. It is yet another round of 90+% MS thinks there is something they have to learn from 10-% Apple. Especially on the productivity front. W11 is aesthetic uselessness like OSX is.

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            Check secure boot in BIOS. DIY machine? Install the default keys in BIOS. Maybe CPU TPM is preferred by W11? You will not loose anything without W11. It is yet another round of 90+% MS thinks there is something they have to learn from 10-% Apple. Especially on the productivity front. W11 is aesthetic uselessness like OSX is.

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            OriginalGriff
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            Peter Adam wrote:

            You will not loose anything without W11

            I know. But ... my Surface auto updated, and since support for Win10 will end in 2025 and I'll have to update before then, this seemed like the perfect time to bit the bullet - a clean install on new hardware! If I don't do that, then I'll get a Win 10 upgraded to Win11 and I'm trying to avoid that.

            "I have no idea what I did, but I'm taking full credit for it." - ThisOldTony "Common sense is so rare these days, it should be classified as a super power" - Random T-shirt AntiTwitter: @DalekDave is now a follower!

            "I have no idea what I did, but I'm taking full credit for it." - ThisOldTony
            "Common sense is so rare these days, it should be classified as a super power" - Random T-shirt

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            • OriginalGriffO OriginalGriff

              Upgrade PC so I can install Win 11: 8 cores, compatible i7 processor, TMP2 module (just in case), new SSD to stick it on, Directx12 video card, eveything it should need. Make a media creation USB on WIn 11 Surface Go. Make sure I know what software to install, and licence key numbers. Boot from USB. "This PC can't run Windows 11". Check the boot settings: TPM2.0 enabled, UEFI, Secure Boot. All enabled and functioning. No dice. Repeat. Get frustrated. Boot from previous HDD Win 10: run PC Health Check App. "Great news! This PC can run Win 11!" MAKE UP YOUR SODDING MIND! Looks like I'm not on the upgrade schedule, so I can't do a clean install ... so why not tell me that?

              "I have no idea what I did, but I'm taking full credit for it." - ThisOldTony "Common sense is so rare these days, it should be classified as a super power" - Random T-shirt AntiTwitter: @DalekDave is now a follower!

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              Chris Hillman 2021
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              WHY SOMETIMES?

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                WHY SOMETIMES?

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                OriginalGriff
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                Please don't SHOUT. Because they also produce some of the best software in it's class: Visual Studio and Excel for example are the best IDE and spreadsheet in the world.

                "I have no idea what I did, but I'm taking full credit for it." - ThisOldTony "Common sense is so rare these days, it should be classified as a super power" - Random T-shirt AntiTwitter: @DalekDave is now a follower!

                "I have no idea what I did, but I'm taking full credit for it." - ThisOldTony
                "Common sense is so rare these days, it should be classified as a super power" - Random T-shirt

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                • OriginalGriffO OriginalGriff

                  Upgrade PC so I can install Win 11: 8 cores, compatible i7 processor, TMP2 module (just in case), new SSD to stick it on, Directx12 video card, eveything it should need. Make a media creation USB on WIn 11 Surface Go. Make sure I know what software to install, and licence key numbers. Boot from USB. "This PC can't run Windows 11". Check the boot settings: TPM2.0 enabled, UEFI, Secure Boot. All enabled and functioning. No dice. Repeat. Get frustrated. Boot from previous HDD Win 10: run PC Health Check App. "Great news! This PC can run Win 11!" MAKE UP YOUR SODDING MIND! Looks like I'm not on the upgrade schedule, so I can't do a clean install ... so why not tell me that?

                  "I have no idea what I did, but I'm taking full credit for it." - ThisOldTony "Common sense is so rare these days, it should be classified as a super power" - Random T-shirt AntiTwitter: @DalekDave is now a follower!

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                  Shawn Eary 2021
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                  We should all go back to Windows 8.1...

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                  • S Shawn Eary 2021

                    We should all go back to Windows 8.1...

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                    OriginalGriff
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                    Burn the heathen! :laugh:

                    "I have no idea what I did, but I'm taking full credit for it." - ThisOldTony "Common sense is so rare these days, it should be classified as a super power" - Random T-shirt AntiTwitter: @DalekDave is now a follower!

                    "I have no idea what I did, but I'm taking full credit for it." - ThisOldTony
                    "Common sense is so rare these days, it should be classified as a super power" - Random T-shirt

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                    • A Alex C Duma

                      I had to work with Microsoft products for decades, and I can tell you they often have issues so big that they know of for years and don't fix you won't believe. It's like your car vendor will give your car with 3 wheels instead of 4 and kind-of get away with it. For instance Outlook mobile does not sync folders except for inbox and you miss emails unless you manually sync those folders yourself every 5 minutes MS Teams for instance will generate notifications for all your messages on all your devices, regardless you read them on your PC, also if you did not open teams on your phone for 1 week, you will get all notifications for every one of hundreds of messages you chat on your PC. How obvious it is it shouldn't be like that, did they never used whatsapp? And now with Windows 11, take taskbar missing drag and drop feature, which will take them 1 year to fix. Wasn't it obvious from the start it was hugely important for productivity. ...well I guess nobody is perfect, maybe not even close to perfect, regardless how big they are...

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                      Alex C. Duma wrote:

                      And now with Windows 11, take taskbar missing drag and drop feature, which will take them 1 year to fix. Wasn't it obvious from the start it was hugely important for productivity.

                      Not to whatever "The only apps I use are Edge and Outlook" PM who rammed the change down everyone else's throat.

                      Did you ever see history portrayed as an old man with a wise brow and pulseless heart, weighing all things in the balance of reason? Is not rather the genius of history like an eternal, imploring maiden, full of fire, with a burning heart and flaming soul, humanly warm and humanly beautiful? --Zachris Topelius

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                      • OriginalGriffO OriginalGriff

                        Upgrade PC so I can install Win 11: 8 cores, compatible i7 processor, TMP2 module (just in case), new SSD to stick it on, Directx12 video card, eveything it should need. Make a media creation USB on WIn 11 Surface Go. Make sure I know what software to install, and licence key numbers. Boot from USB. "This PC can't run Windows 11". Check the boot settings: TPM2.0 enabled, UEFI, Secure Boot. All enabled and functioning. No dice. Repeat. Get frustrated. Boot from previous HDD Win 10: run PC Health Check App. "Great news! This PC can run Win 11!" MAKE UP YOUR SODDING MIND! Looks like I'm not on the upgrade schedule, so I can't do a clean install ... so why not tell me that?

                        "I have no idea what I did, but I'm taking full credit for it." - ThisOldTony "Common sense is so rare these days, it should be classified as a super power" - Random T-shirt AntiTwitter: @DalekDave is now a follower!

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                        Hummm... Dejá vu. That looks exactly what happen to me with windows 10. Except for the nice "This PC can't run Windows 11" message during install. With me it just went through the install and halfway throw a BSOD with a hard to find code that ultimately translated into a "CPU not supported" message. Tried after one year and then when windows 7 reached end of support and got the same message even though my system is ok according to my research and the PC Health Check App. Neither upgrading nor a clean install worked. So I am stuck with linux and not giving microsoft any more of my money (to renew licenses) whether I want it or not. Nowadays, the only thing I miss from windows is for gaming. Gaming what I like on linux is not optimal. Good luck. Hope you manage to upgrade eventually.

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                        • OriginalGriffO OriginalGriff

                          Upgrade PC so I can install Win 11: 8 cores, compatible i7 processor, TMP2 module (just in case), new SSD to stick it on, Directx12 video card, eveything it should need. Make a media creation USB on WIn 11 Surface Go. Make sure I know what software to install, and licence key numbers. Boot from USB. "This PC can't run Windows 11". Check the boot settings: TPM2.0 enabled, UEFI, Secure Boot. All enabled and functioning. No dice. Repeat. Get frustrated. Boot from previous HDD Win 10: run PC Health Check App. "Great news! This PC can run Win 11!" MAKE UP YOUR SODDING MIND! Looks like I'm not on the upgrade schedule, so I can't do a clean install ... so why not tell me that?

                          "I have no idea what I did, but I'm taking full credit for it." - ThisOldTony "Common sense is so rare these days, it should be classified as a super power" - Random T-shirt AntiTwitter: @DalekDave is now a follower!

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                          sasadler
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                          When I ran the MS compatibility check program, it told me my PC was compatible with Windows 11. The MS update site however, told me my machine wasn't compatible! After 3 or 4 days the update site decided that yes, my machine actually was compatible. You might just wait a few days and check it again.

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                            When I ran the MS compatibility check program, it told me my PC was compatible with Windows 11. The MS update site however, told me my machine wasn't compatible! After 3 or 4 days the update site decided that yes, my machine actually was compatible. You might just wait a few days and check it again.

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                            Greetings, Let see here.. started with DOS 1.1, then DOS 5.0 Win 3.1 OS/2 Win NT Win 2K Red Hat 7.0 Win XP Linux Mint Win 7 Win 10... Managed to skip Win ME And and Vista and Windows 8!! Running Win 10 now on laptop (CPU is not approved for Win 11) and Desktop (Just not approved CPU and BIOS).. have 2 VM's on the desktop .. one is Linux Mint and the other is Win 98 (for a game) Going to wait until I have to replace a PC before making a jump into Win 11....also give everyone else a chance to work out the bugs for me ... :) :cool:

                            Cegarman document code? If it's not intuitive, you're in the wrong field :D

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                            • L Lost User

                              I rarely upgrade my "main machine" since I use it for proving an app on that OS. I still have a Win 8 machine. ("It works on my VM" doesn't help with customer relations) I will probably get a new machine if / when I go to Win 11.

                              "Before entering on an understanding, I have meditated for a long time, and have foreseen what might happen. It is not genius which reveals to me suddenly, secretly, what I have to say or to do in a circumstance unexpected by other people; it is reflection, it is meditation." - Napoleon I

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                              kentgorrell
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                              Hands up anyone who skipped vista and went straight from NT/2000 to 7. Hands up anyone who skipped 8 and waited for 10 Hands up anyone who doesn't see a pattern

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                              • M Memtha

                                > Upgrade PC so I can install Win 11 Honestly that was your first mistake. I'm a Linux guy. > I can't do a clean install So what about when (not if) win 11 craps out and you have to start over? Install 10 and then upgrade to 11 again?

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                                oh, you betcha!

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