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I'm fairly old fashioned at times ... but should I embrace unit testing?

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  • OriginalGriffO OriginalGriff

    At the moment, when I create a public class called Foo, I also create a static test class called FooTester which exercises the public members of the class as best I can. For example, my non-contiguous range class Range has a RangeTest class that looks like this:

        public static string Run()
            {
            try
                {
                testsRun = 0;
                testsPassed = 0;
                testsFailed = 0;
                outText.Clear();
                Range ra = new Range(0, 4);       // 
                Range rb = new Range(5, 9);       // Contiguous with ra
                Range rc = new Range(10, 14);     // Contiguous with rb
                Range rd = new Range(1, 3);       // Intersects ra, not contiguous with rb
                Range re = new Range(6, 8);       // Intersects rb, not contiguous with rc
                Range rf = new Range(16, 19);     // Not contiguous with anything.
                Range rg = new Range(0, 0);       // Single element.
                Range rh = new Range(1, 1);       // Single element.
                Range ri = new Range(2, 2);       // Single element.
                Range rj = new Range(0, 19);      // All elements.
                Range rk = new Range(0, 4);       // Identical to ra
    
                CheckInt(ra.Count, 5);
                CheckInt(ra.Min, 0);
                CheckInt(ra.Max, 4);
                CheckString(ra, "(0:4)");
                CheckString(ra.UnionWith(re), "(0:4) | (6:8)");
    
                Check(Range.GetEmpty(), new int\[0\]);
    
                Check(ra, new int\[\] { 0, 1, 2, 3, 4, });
                Check(new Range(new int\[\] { 0, 1, 2, 5, 6, 7 }.AsEnumerable()), new int\[\] { 0, 1, 2, 5, 6, 7 });
                Check(ra.UnionWith(ra), new int\[\] { 0, 1, 2, 3, 4 });
                Check(ra.UnionWith(rb), new int\[\] { 0, 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, 7, 8, 9 });
                Check(rb.UnionWith(rc), new int\[\] { 5, 6, 7, 8, 9, 10, 11, 12, 13, 14 });
                Check(ra.UnionWith(rc), new int\[\] { 0, 1, 2, 3, 4, 10, 11, 12, 13, 14 });
                Check(ra.UnionWith(re), new int\[\] { 0, 1, 2, 3, 4, 6, 7, 8 });
                Check(ra.UnionWith(rg), new int\[\] { 0, 1, 2, 3, 4 });
                Check(rb.UnionWith(rg), new int\[\] { 0, 5, 6, 7, 8, 9 });
                Check(rg.UnionWith(rh).UnionWith(ri), new int\[\] { 0, 1, 2 });
                CheckInt(ra.UnionWith(rc).Count, 10);
                CheckInt(ra.UnionWith(rc).Min, 0);
                CheckInt(ra.UnionWith
    
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    kmoorevs
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    Make that 2 for philistine method! Actually, my users pay good money to do the testing. :laugh:

    "Go forth into the source" - Neal Morse "Hope is contagious"

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    • OriginalGriffO OriginalGriff

      At the moment, when I create a public class called Foo, I also create a static test class called FooTester which exercises the public members of the class as best I can. For example, my non-contiguous range class Range has a RangeTest class that looks like this:

          public static string Run()
              {
              try
                  {
                  testsRun = 0;
                  testsPassed = 0;
                  testsFailed = 0;
                  outText.Clear();
                  Range ra = new Range(0, 4);       // 
                  Range rb = new Range(5, 9);       // Contiguous with ra
                  Range rc = new Range(10, 14);     // Contiguous with rb
                  Range rd = new Range(1, 3);       // Intersects ra, not contiguous with rb
                  Range re = new Range(6, 8);       // Intersects rb, not contiguous with rc
                  Range rf = new Range(16, 19);     // Not contiguous with anything.
                  Range rg = new Range(0, 0);       // Single element.
                  Range rh = new Range(1, 1);       // Single element.
                  Range ri = new Range(2, 2);       // Single element.
                  Range rj = new Range(0, 19);      // All elements.
                  Range rk = new Range(0, 4);       // Identical to ra
      
                  CheckInt(ra.Count, 5);
                  CheckInt(ra.Min, 0);
                  CheckInt(ra.Max, 4);
                  CheckString(ra, "(0:4)");
                  CheckString(ra.UnionWith(re), "(0:4) | (6:8)");
      
                  Check(Range.GetEmpty(), new int\[0\]);
      
                  Check(ra, new int\[\] { 0, 1, 2, 3, 4, });
                  Check(new Range(new int\[\] { 0, 1, 2, 5, 6, 7 }.AsEnumerable()), new int\[\] { 0, 1, 2, 5, 6, 7 });
                  Check(ra.UnionWith(ra), new int\[\] { 0, 1, 2, 3, 4 });
                  Check(ra.UnionWith(rb), new int\[\] { 0, 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, 7, 8, 9 });
                  Check(rb.UnionWith(rc), new int\[\] { 5, 6, 7, 8, 9, 10, 11, 12, 13, 14 });
                  Check(ra.UnionWith(rc), new int\[\] { 0, 1, 2, 3, 4, 10, 11, 12, 13, 14 });
                  Check(ra.UnionWith(re), new int\[\] { 0, 1, 2, 3, 4, 6, 7, 8 });
                  Check(ra.UnionWith(rg), new int\[\] { 0, 1, 2, 3, 4 });
                  Check(rb.UnionWith(rg), new int\[\] { 0, 5, 6, 7, 8, 9 });
                  Check(rg.UnionWith(rh).UnionWith(ri), new int\[\] { 0, 1, 2 });
                  CheckInt(ra.UnionWith(rc).Count, 10);
                  CheckInt(ra.UnionWith(rc).Min, 0);
                  CheckInt(ra.UnionWith
      
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      Lost User
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      #8

      It's the debate between "is it good enough to ship?" and "we have 500 unit tests but haven't shipped anything in 2 years". (True story).

      "Before entering on an understanding, I have meditated for a long time, and have foreseen what might happen. It is not genius which reveals to me suddenly, secretly, what I have to say or to do in a circumstance unexpected by other people; it is reflection, it is meditation." - Napoleon I

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      • OriginalGriffO OriginalGriff

        At the moment, when I create a public class called Foo, I also create a static test class called FooTester which exercises the public members of the class as best I can. For example, my non-contiguous range class Range has a RangeTest class that looks like this:

            public static string Run()
                {
                try
                    {
                    testsRun = 0;
                    testsPassed = 0;
                    testsFailed = 0;
                    outText.Clear();
                    Range ra = new Range(0, 4);       // 
                    Range rb = new Range(5, 9);       // Contiguous with ra
                    Range rc = new Range(10, 14);     // Contiguous with rb
                    Range rd = new Range(1, 3);       // Intersects ra, not contiguous with rb
                    Range re = new Range(6, 8);       // Intersects rb, not contiguous with rc
                    Range rf = new Range(16, 19);     // Not contiguous with anything.
                    Range rg = new Range(0, 0);       // Single element.
                    Range rh = new Range(1, 1);       // Single element.
                    Range ri = new Range(2, 2);       // Single element.
                    Range rj = new Range(0, 19);      // All elements.
                    Range rk = new Range(0, 4);       // Identical to ra
        
                    CheckInt(ra.Count, 5);
                    CheckInt(ra.Min, 0);
                    CheckInt(ra.Max, 4);
                    CheckString(ra, "(0:4)");
                    CheckString(ra.UnionWith(re), "(0:4) | (6:8)");
        
                    Check(Range.GetEmpty(), new int\[0\]);
        
                    Check(ra, new int\[\] { 0, 1, 2, 3, 4, });
                    Check(new Range(new int\[\] { 0, 1, 2, 5, 6, 7 }.AsEnumerable()), new int\[\] { 0, 1, 2, 5, 6, 7 });
                    Check(ra.UnionWith(ra), new int\[\] { 0, 1, 2, 3, 4 });
                    Check(ra.UnionWith(rb), new int\[\] { 0, 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, 7, 8, 9 });
                    Check(rb.UnionWith(rc), new int\[\] { 5, 6, 7, 8, 9, 10, 11, 12, 13, 14 });
                    Check(ra.UnionWith(rc), new int\[\] { 0, 1, 2, 3, 4, 10, 11, 12, 13, 14 });
                    Check(ra.UnionWith(re), new int\[\] { 0, 1, 2, 3, 4, 6, 7, 8 });
                    Check(ra.UnionWith(rg), new int\[\] { 0, 1, 2, 3, 4 });
                    Check(rb.UnionWith(rg), new int\[\] { 0, 5, 6, 7, 8, 9 });
                    Check(rg.UnionWith(rh).UnionWith(ri), new int\[\] { 0, 1, 2 });
                    CheckInt(ra.UnionWith(rc).Count, 10);
                    CheckInt(ra.UnionWith(rc).Min, 0);
                    CheckInt(ra.UnionWith
        
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        #9

        Unit tests are often a waste of time. See the articles linked here[^]. Coplien is one of the few "gurus" for whom I have much use. Unit tests are orthogonal to whether tests are automated. Automation, and system and regression tests, are essential to anything beyond toy projects.

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        • OriginalGriffO OriginalGriff

          At the moment, when I create a public class called Foo, I also create a static test class called FooTester which exercises the public members of the class as best I can. For example, my non-contiguous range class Range has a RangeTest class that looks like this:

              public static string Run()
                  {
                  try
                      {
                      testsRun = 0;
                      testsPassed = 0;
                      testsFailed = 0;
                      outText.Clear();
                      Range ra = new Range(0, 4);       // 
                      Range rb = new Range(5, 9);       // Contiguous with ra
                      Range rc = new Range(10, 14);     // Contiguous with rb
                      Range rd = new Range(1, 3);       // Intersects ra, not contiguous with rb
                      Range re = new Range(6, 8);       // Intersects rb, not contiguous with rc
                      Range rf = new Range(16, 19);     // Not contiguous with anything.
                      Range rg = new Range(0, 0);       // Single element.
                      Range rh = new Range(1, 1);       // Single element.
                      Range ri = new Range(2, 2);       // Single element.
                      Range rj = new Range(0, 19);      // All elements.
                      Range rk = new Range(0, 4);       // Identical to ra
          
                      CheckInt(ra.Count, 5);
                      CheckInt(ra.Min, 0);
                      CheckInt(ra.Max, 4);
                      CheckString(ra, "(0:4)");
                      CheckString(ra.UnionWith(re), "(0:4) | (6:8)");
          
                      Check(Range.GetEmpty(), new int\[0\]);
          
                      Check(ra, new int\[\] { 0, 1, 2, 3, 4, });
                      Check(new Range(new int\[\] { 0, 1, 2, 5, 6, 7 }.AsEnumerable()), new int\[\] { 0, 1, 2, 5, 6, 7 });
                      Check(ra.UnionWith(ra), new int\[\] { 0, 1, 2, 3, 4 });
                      Check(ra.UnionWith(rb), new int\[\] { 0, 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, 7, 8, 9 });
                      Check(rb.UnionWith(rc), new int\[\] { 5, 6, 7, 8, 9, 10, 11, 12, 13, 14 });
                      Check(ra.UnionWith(rc), new int\[\] { 0, 1, 2, 3, 4, 10, 11, 12, 13, 14 });
                      Check(ra.UnionWith(re), new int\[\] { 0, 1, 2, 3, 4, 6, 7, 8 });
                      Check(ra.UnionWith(rg), new int\[\] { 0, 1, 2, 3, 4 });
                      Check(rb.UnionWith(rg), new int\[\] { 0, 5, 6, 7, 8, 9 });
                      Check(rg.UnionWith(rh).UnionWith(ri), new int\[\] { 0, 1, 2 });
                      CheckInt(ra.UnionWith(rc).Count, 10);
                      CheckInt(ra.UnionWith(rc).Min, 0);
                      CheckInt(ra.UnionWith
          
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          theoldfool
          wrote on last edited by
          #10

          Best unit test I have ever found= user (see idiot) :laugh:

          >64 Some days the dragon wins. Suck it up.

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          • R RickZeeland

            We did some unit testing with Nunit in the past, but it proved too time-consuming to keep up with the rapid pace of changes of our software. So I think the idea is good, but not for our situation (small team, rapid changes) I also shiver when I read articles about "Test Driven Development" :-\ Oh, and of course the obligatory: Slant: best-unit-testing-frameworks-for-net[^]

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            Marc Clifton
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            #11

            RickZeeland wrote:

            but not for our situation (small team, rapid changes)

            That's supposed to be the point of unit testing. :laugh:

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            • M Mircea Neacsu

              Not only I do it but I ended up writing my own unit test framework (and published it on CodeProject[^]) It is so easy to create new tests that most bugs I find end up as test cases and serve as regression tests.

              Mircea

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              Marc Clifton
              wrote on last edited by
              #12

              How did that article not get any votes? Well, it got mine now (a 5).

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              • OriginalGriffO OriginalGriff

                At the moment, when I create a public class called Foo, I also create a static test class called FooTester which exercises the public members of the class as best I can. For example, my non-contiguous range class Range has a RangeTest class that looks like this:

                    public static string Run()
                        {
                        try
                            {
                            testsRun = 0;
                            testsPassed = 0;
                            testsFailed = 0;
                            outText.Clear();
                            Range ra = new Range(0, 4);       // 
                            Range rb = new Range(5, 9);       // Contiguous with ra
                            Range rc = new Range(10, 14);     // Contiguous with rb
                            Range rd = new Range(1, 3);       // Intersects ra, not contiguous with rb
                            Range re = new Range(6, 8);       // Intersects rb, not contiguous with rc
                            Range rf = new Range(16, 19);     // Not contiguous with anything.
                            Range rg = new Range(0, 0);       // Single element.
                            Range rh = new Range(1, 1);       // Single element.
                            Range ri = new Range(2, 2);       // Single element.
                            Range rj = new Range(0, 19);      // All elements.
                            Range rk = new Range(0, 4);       // Identical to ra
                
                            CheckInt(ra.Count, 5);
                            CheckInt(ra.Min, 0);
                            CheckInt(ra.Max, 4);
                            CheckString(ra, "(0:4)");
                            CheckString(ra.UnionWith(re), "(0:4) | (6:8)");
                
                            Check(Range.GetEmpty(), new int\[0\]);
                
                            Check(ra, new int\[\] { 0, 1, 2, 3, 4, });
                            Check(new Range(new int\[\] { 0, 1, 2, 5, 6, 7 }.AsEnumerable()), new int\[\] { 0, 1, 2, 5, 6, 7 });
                            Check(ra.UnionWith(ra), new int\[\] { 0, 1, 2, 3, 4 });
                            Check(ra.UnionWith(rb), new int\[\] { 0, 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, 7, 8, 9 });
                            Check(rb.UnionWith(rc), new int\[\] { 5, 6, 7, 8, 9, 10, 11, 12, 13, 14 });
                            Check(ra.UnionWith(rc), new int\[\] { 0, 1, 2, 3, 4, 10, 11, 12, 13, 14 });
                            Check(ra.UnionWith(re), new int\[\] { 0, 1, 2, 3, 4, 6, 7, 8 });
                            Check(ra.UnionWith(rg), new int\[\] { 0, 1, 2, 3, 4 });
                            Check(rb.UnionWith(rg), new int\[\] { 0, 5, 6, 7, 8, 9 });
                            Check(rg.UnionWith(rh).UnionWith(ri), new int\[\] { 0, 1, 2 });
                            CheckInt(ra.UnionWith(rc).Count, 10);
                            CheckInt(ra.UnionWith(rc).Min, 0);
                            CheckInt(ra.UnionWith
                
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                Marc Clifton
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                #13

                For algorithmic things like what you posted, unit tests are great, and I would definitely write that with a unit test "engine." That said, I also end up spending time debugging the tests, not the algorithms. :laugh:

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                • M Marc Clifton

                  How did that article not get any votes? Well, it got mine now (a 5).

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                  Mircea Neacsu
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                  #14

                  Thank you Marc :) It was one of my first CodeProject articles and probably not very good.

                  Mircea

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                  • OriginalGriffO OriginalGriff

                    At the moment, when I create a public class called Foo, I also create a static test class called FooTester which exercises the public members of the class as best I can. For example, my non-contiguous range class Range has a RangeTest class that looks like this:

                        public static string Run()
                            {
                            try
                                {
                                testsRun = 0;
                                testsPassed = 0;
                                testsFailed = 0;
                                outText.Clear();
                                Range ra = new Range(0, 4);       // 
                                Range rb = new Range(5, 9);       // Contiguous with ra
                                Range rc = new Range(10, 14);     // Contiguous with rb
                                Range rd = new Range(1, 3);       // Intersects ra, not contiguous with rb
                                Range re = new Range(6, 8);       // Intersects rb, not contiguous with rc
                                Range rf = new Range(16, 19);     // Not contiguous with anything.
                                Range rg = new Range(0, 0);       // Single element.
                                Range rh = new Range(1, 1);       // Single element.
                                Range ri = new Range(2, 2);       // Single element.
                                Range rj = new Range(0, 19);      // All elements.
                                Range rk = new Range(0, 4);       // Identical to ra
                    
                                CheckInt(ra.Count, 5);
                                CheckInt(ra.Min, 0);
                                CheckInt(ra.Max, 4);
                                CheckString(ra, "(0:4)");
                                CheckString(ra.UnionWith(re), "(0:4) | (6:8)");
                    
                                Check(Range.GetEmpty(), new int\[0\]);
                    
                                Check(ra, new int\[\] { 0, 1, 2, 3, 4, });
                                Check(new Range(new int\[\] { 0, 1, 2, 5, 6, 7 }.AsEnumerable()), new int\[\] { 0, 1, 2, 5, 6, 7 });
                                Check(ra.UnionWith(ra), new int\[\] { 0, 1, 2, 3, 4 });
                                Check(ra.UnionWith(rb), new int\[\] { 0, 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, 7, 8, 9 });
                                Check(rb.UnionWith(rc), new int\[\] { 5, 6, 7, 8, 9, 10, 11, 12, 13, 14 });
                                Check(ra.UnionWith(rc), new int\[\] { 0, 1, 2, 3, 4, 10, 11, 12, 13, 14 });
                                Check(ra.UnionWith(re), new int\[\] { 0, 1, 2, 3, 4, 6, 7, 8 });
                                Check(ra.UnionWith(rg), new int\[\] { 0, 1, 2, 3, 4 });
                                Check(rb.UnionWith(rg), new int\[\] { 0, 5, 6, 7, 8, 9 });
                                Check(rg.UnionWith(rh).UnionWith(ri), new int\[\] { 0, 1, 2 });
                                CheckInt(ra.UnionWith(rc).Count, 10);
                                CheckInt(ra.UnionWith(rc).Min, 0);
                                CheckInt(ra.UnionWith
                    
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                    #15

                    Writing unit tests means you have no customers ;P

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                    • OriginalGriffO OriginalGriff

                      At the moment, when I create a public class called Foo, I also create a static test class called FooTester which exercises the public members of the class as best I can. For example, my non-contiguous range class Range has a RangeTest class that looks like this:

                          public static string Run()
                              {
                              try
                                  {
                                  testsRun = 0;
                                  testsPassed = 0;
                                  testsFailed = 0;
                                  outText.Clear();
                                  Range ra = new Range(0, 4);       // 
                                  Range rb = new Range(5, 9);       // Contiguous with ra
                                  Range rc = new Range(10, 14);     // Contiguous with rb
                                  Range rd = new Range(1, 3);       // Intersects ra, not contiguous with rb
                                  Range re = new Range(6, 8);       // Intersects rb, not contiguous with rc
                                  Range rf = new Range(16, 19);     // Not contiguous with anything.
                                  Range rg = new Range(0, 0);       // Single element.
                                  Range rh = new Range(1, 1);       // Single element.
                                  Range ri = new Range(2, 2);       // Single element.
                                  Range rj = new Range(0, 19);      // All elements.
                                  Range rk = new Range(0, 4);       // Identical to ra
                      
                                  CheckInt(ra.Count, 5);
                                  CheckInt(ra.Min, 0);
                                  CheckInt(ra.Max, 4);
                                  CheckString(ra, "(0:4)");
                                  CheckString(ra.UnionWith(re), "(0:4) | (6:8)");
                      
                                  Check(Range.GetEmpty(), new int\[0\]);
                      
                                  Check(ra, new int\[\] { 0, 1, 2, 3, 4, });
                                  Check(new Range(new int\[\] { 0, 1, 2, 5, 6, 7 }.AsEnumerable()), new int\[\] { 0, 1, 2, 5, 6, 7 });
                                  Check(ra.UnionWith(ra), new int\[\] { 0, 1, 2, 3, 4 });
                                  Check(ra.UnionWith(rb), new int\[\] { 0, 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, 7, 8, 9 });
                                  Check(rb.UnionWith(rc), new int\[\] { 5, 6, 7, 8, 9, 10, 11, 12, 13, 14 });
                                  Check(ra.UnionWith(rc), new int\[\] { 0, 1, 2, 3, 4, 10, 11, 12, 13, 14 });
                                  Check(ra.UnionWith(re), new int\[\] { 0, 1, 2, 3, 4, 6, 7, 8 });
                                  Check(ra.UnionWith(rg), new int\[\] { 0, 1, 2, 3, 4 });
                                  Check(rb.UnionWith(rg), new int\[\] { 0, 5, 6, 7, 8, 9 });
                                  Check(rg.UnionWith(rh).UnionWith(ri), new int\[\] { 0, 1, 2 });
                                  CheckInt(ra.UnionWith(rc).Count, 10);
                                  CheckInt(ra.UnionWith(rc).Min, 0);
                                  CheckInt(ra.UnionWith
                      
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                      trønderen
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                      My experience is that most test frameworks rapidly grows into such a complexity that you spend far more time on all the required red tape than on developing good tests. It may pay for huge systems that will be in development for many years, by scores of developers, but for smaller systems, you can do 99% of the same amount of testing with a much simpler infrastructure, with far less test management. Certainly: Do systematic testing! And have a setup that allows you to play old tests again - a.k.a. regression testing. Just don't let the testing infrastructure completely take over. The important tasks in testing is not managing the tests, but rather to identify relevant test cases. All corner cases - and sometimes the cartesian product of all possible cases (when the product is within reasonable limits). How to provoke synchronizing and timing issues. Identify relevant stress testing. And so on. I have seen cases where far more time was spent on test management than on developing relevant tests. Regression testing is essential (and I am surprised by how often I see new software releases witn regression from earlier releases!), but sometimes I wonder if it is getting out of hand: Some years ago, I worked in a development environment having collected regression tests for many years. Before a release, we started the test suite before going home on Friday evening, hoping that it would complete before Monday morning ten days later. So for bugs/fails reported by that week (++) run, there was a ten day turnaround. We invested in the very fastest Sun machine available on the market, cutting the time to complete the tests started on Friday afternoon to complete some time on the (first) following Monday, a week earlier than with the old setup. Yet I was asking myself if we should possibly consider reducing the amount of regression testing, or trying to make the structure more efficient. Fact is that continuous unit, module and system tests regularly applied during development were so complete that the week long (later: weekend long) regression test run practically never revealed any problems. In later jobs, I have seen tests requiring magnitudes more power than they should have, due to lack of proper unit and module tests. Or rather: Management of such. The developers do not trust that units have been properly tested, so in every module where the unit is used, the unit tests are run again, 'in this context'. Then for every (sub)system referencing a module, all the module tests are repeated, repeat

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                      • OriginalGriffO OriginalGriff

                        At the moment, when I create a public class called Foo, I also create a static test class called FooTester which exercises the public members of the class as best I can. For example, my non-contiguous range class Range has a RangeTest class that looks like this:

                            public static string Run()
                                {
                                try
                                    {
                                    testsRun = 0;
                                    testsPassed = 0;
                                    testsFailed = 0;
                                    outText.Clear();
                                    Range ra = new Range(0, 4);       // 
                                    Range rb = new Range(5, 9);       // Contiguous with ra
                                    Range rc = new Range(10, 14);     // Contiguous with rb
                                    Range rd = new Range(1, 3);       // Intersects ra, not contiguous with rb
                                    Range re = new Range(6, 8);       // Intersects rb, not contiguous with rc
                                    Range rf = new Range(16, 19);     // Not contiguous with anything.
                                    Range rg = new Range(0, 0);       // Single element.
                                    Range rh = new Range(1, 1);       // Single element.
                                    Range ri = new Range(2, 2);       // Single element.
                                    Range rj = new Range(0, 19);      // All elements.
                                    Range rk = new Range(0, 4);       // Identical to ra
                        
                                    CheckInt(ra.Count, 5);
                                    CheckInt(ra.Min, 0);
                                    CheckInt(ra.Max, 4);
                                    CheckString(ra, "(0:4)");
                                    CheckString(ra.UnionWith(re), "(0:4) | (6:8)");
                        
                                    Check(Range.GetEmpty(), new int\[0\]);
                        
                                    Check(ra, new int\[\] { 0, 1, 2, 3, 4, });
                                    Check(new Range(new int\[\] { 0, 1, 2, 5, 6, 7 }.AsEnumerable()), new int\[\] { 0, 1, 2, 5, 6, 7 });
                                    Check(ra.UnionWith(ra), new int\[\] { 0, 1, 2, 3, 4 });
                                    Check(ra.UnionWith(rb), new int\[\] { 0, 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, 7, 8, 9 });
                                    Check(rb.UnionWith(rc), new int\[\] { 5, 6, 7, 8, 9, 10, 11, 12, 13, 14 });
                                    Check(ra.UnionWith(rc), new int\[\] { 0, 1, 2, 3, 4, 10, 11, 12, 13, 14 });
                                    Check(ra.UnionWith(re), new int\[\] { 0, 1, 2, 3, 4, 6, 7, 8 });
                                    Check(ra.UnionWith(rg), new int\[\] { 0, 1, 2, 3, 4 });
                                    Check(rb.UnionWith(rg), new int\[\] { 0, 5, 6, 7, 8, 9 });
                                    Check(rg.UnionWith(rh).UnionWith(ri), new int\[\] { 0, 1, 2 });
                                    CheckInt(ra.UnionWith(rc).Count, 10);
                                    CheckInt(ra.UnionWith(rc).Min, 0);
                                    CheckInt(ra.UnionWith
                        
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                        I don't always test my code, but when I do, I do it in Production.

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                          At the moment, when I create a public class called Foo, I also create a static test class called FooTester which exercises the public members of the class as best I can. For example, my non-contiguous range class Range has a RangeTest class that looks like this:

                              public static string Run()
                                  {
                                  try
                                      {
                                      testsRun = 0;
                                      testsPassed = 0;
                                      testsFailed = 0;
                                      outText.Clear();
                                      Range ra = new Range(0, 4);       // 
                                      Range rb = new Range(5, 9);       // Contiguous with ra
                                      Range rc = new Range(10, 14);     // Contiguous with rb
                                      Range rd = new Range(1, 3);       // Intersects ra, not contiguous with rb
                                      Range re = new Range(6, 8);       // Intersects rb, not contiguous with rc
                                      Range rf = new Range(16, 19);     // Not contiguous with anything.
                                      Range rg = new Range(0, 0);       // Single element.
                                      Range rh = new Range(1, 1);       // Single element.
                                      Range ri = new Range(2, 2);       // Single element.
                                      Range rj = new Range(0, 19);      // All elements.
                                      Range rk = new Range(0, 4);       // Identical to ra
                          
                                      CheckInt(ra.Count, 5);
                                      CheckInt(ra.Min, 0);
                                      CheckInt(ra.Max, 4);
                                      CheckString(ra, "(0:4)");
                                      CheckString(ra.UnionWith(re), "(0:4) | (6:8)");
                          
                                      Check(Range.GetEmpty(), new int\[0\]);
                          
                                      Check(ra, new int\[\] { 0, 1, 2, 3, 4, });
                                      Check(new Range(new int\[\] { 0, 1, 2, 5, 6, 7 }.AsEnumerable()), new int\[\] { 0, 1, 2, 5, 6, 7 });
                                      Check(ra.UnionWith(ra), new int\[\] { 0, 1, 2, 3, 4 });
                                      Check(ra.UnionWith(rb), new int\[\] { 0, 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, 7, 8, 9 });
                                      Check(rb.UnionWith(rc), new int\[\] { 5, 6, 7, 8, 9, 10, 11, 12, 13, 14 });
                                      Check(ra.UnionWith(rc), new int\[\] { 0, 1, 2, 3, 4, 10, 11, 12, 13, 14 });
                                      Check(ra.UnionWith(re), new int\[\] { 0, 1, 2, 3, 4, 6, 7, 8 });
                                      Check(ra.UnionWith(rg), new int\[\] { 0, 1, 2, 3, 4 });
                                      Check(rb.UnionWith(rg), new int\[\] { 0, 5, 6, 7, 8, 9 });
                                      Check(rg.UnionWith(rh).UnionWith(ri), new int\[\] { 0, 1, 2 });
                                      CheckInt(ra.UnionWith(rc).Count, 10);
                                      CheckInt(ra.UnionWith(rc).Min, 0);
                                      CheckInt(ra.UnionWith
                          
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                          I'm both old and old-fashioned. I view the unit testing fad with the same disdain as I do Scrum. It's double the work and I am set in my ways for testing. I build internal-facing apps only, and I just don't see the benefit to TDD. That's what users and UAT is for. :laugh: But I am impressed with your test code. Kind of already looks all unit testy to me.

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                            I'm both old and old-fashioned. I view the unit testing fad with the same disdain as I do Scrum. It's double the work and I am set in my ways for testing. I build internal-facing apps only, and I just don't see the benefit to TDD. That's what users and UAT is for. :laugh: But I am impressed with your test code. Kind of already looks all unit testy to me.

                            If you think 'goto' is evil, try writing an Assembly program without JMP.

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                            I'm old too. Had a manager who was into TDD. He said things like "write the test before the method" How in the blue heck am I supposed to write a test for something I haven't figured out what it's supposed to do yet? Mercifully he moved to Washington state then Idaho. Don't have to deal with him anymore.

                            I’ve given up trying to be calm. However, I am open to feeling slightly less agitated.

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                            • OriginalGriffO OriginalGriff

                              At the moment, when I create a public class called Foo, I also create a static test class called FooTester which exercises the public members of the class as best I can. For example, my non-contiguous range class Range has a RangeTest class that looks like this:

                                  public static string Run()
                                      {
                                      try
                                          {
                                          testsRun = 0;
                                          testsPassed = 0;
                                          testsFailed = 0;
                                          outText.Clear();
                                          Range ra = new Range(0, 4);       // 
                                          Range rb = new Range(5, 9);       // Contiguous with ra
                                          Range rc = new Range(10, 14);     // Contiguous with rb
                                          Range rd = new Range(1, 3);       // Intersects ra, not contiguous with rb
                                          Range re = new Range(6, 8);       // Intersects rb, not contiguous with rc
                                          Range rf = new Range(16, 19);     // Not contiguous with anything.
                                          Range rg = new Range(0, 0);       // Single element.
                                          Range rh = new Range(1, 1);       // Single element.
                                          Range ri = new Range(2, 2);       // Single element.
                                          Range rj = new Range(0, 19);      // All elements.
                                          Range rk = new Range(0, 4);       // Identical to ra
                              
                                          CheckInt(ra.Count, 5);
                                          CheckInt(ra.Min, 0);
                                          CheckInt(ra.Max, 4);
                                          CheckString(ra, "(0:4)");
                                          CheckString(ra.UnionWith(re), "(0:4) | (6:8)");
                              
                                          Check(Range.GetEmpty(), new int\[0\]);
                              
                                          Check(ra, new int\[\] { 0, 1, 2, 3, 4, });
                                          Check(new Range(new int\[\] { 0, 1, 2, 5, 6, 7 }.AsEnumerable()), new int\[\] { 0, 1, 2, 5, 6, 7 });
                                          Check(ra.UnionWith(ra), new int\[\] { 0, 1, 2, 3, 4 });
                                          Check(ra.UnionWith(rb), new int\[\] { 0, 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, 7, 8, 9 });
                                          Check(rb.UnionWith(rc), new int\[\] { 5, 6, 7, 8, 9, 10, 11, 12, 13, 14 });
                                          Check(ra.UnionWith(rc), new int\[\] { 0, 1, 2, 3, 4, 10, 11, 12, 13, 14 });
                                          Check(ra.UnionWith(re), new int\[\] { 0, 1, 2, 3, 4, 6, 7, 8 });
                                          Check(ra.UnionWith(rg), new int\[\] { 0, 1, 2, 3, 4 });
                                          Check(rb.UnionWith(rg), new int\[\] { 0, 5, 6, 7, 8, 9 });
                                          Check(rg.UnionWith(rh).UnionWith(ri), new int\[\] { 0, 1, 2 });
                                          CheckInt(ra.UnionWith(rc).Count, 10);
                                          CheckInt(ra.UnionWith(rc).Min, 0);
                                          CheckInt(ra.UnionWith
                              
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                              OriginalGriff wrote:

                              but should I embrace unit testing?

                              I do, because it lets me sleep at night. :) But I'd be lying if I said I do TDD - I don't.  I write unit tests after the fact (but I do write them), and after I've written integration tests.  Why?  Because I find them more valuable than unit tests, but don't consider them to be a substitute for unit tests.  Integration tests first, then unit tests.  At least that's how I run. /ravi

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                              • OriginalGriffO OriginalGriff

                                At the moment, when I create a public class called Foo, I also create a static test class called FooTester which exercises the public members of the class as best I can. For example, my non-contiguous range class Range has a RangeTest class that looks like this:

                                    public static string Run()
                                        {
                                        try
                                            {
                                            testsRun = 0;
                                            testsPassed = 0;
                                            testsFailed = 0;
                                            outText.Clear();
                                            Range ra = new Range(0, 4);       // 
                                            Range rb = new Range(5, 9);       // Contiguous with ra
                                            Range rc = new Range(10, 14);     // Contiguous with rb
                                            Range rd = new Range(1, 3);       // Intersects ra, not contiguous with rb
                                            Range re = new Range(6, 8);       // Intersects rb, not contiguous with rc
                                            Range rf = new Range(16, 19);     // Not contiguous with anything.
                                            Range rg = new Range(0, 0);       // Single element.
                                            Range rh = new Range(1, 1);       // Single element.
                                            Range ri = new Range(2, 2);       // Single element.
                                            Range rj = new Range(0, 19);      // All elements.
                                            Range rk = new Range(0, 4);       // Identical to ra
                                
                                            CheckInt(ra.Count, 5);
                                            CheckInt(ra.Min, 0);
                                            CheckInt(ra.Max, 4);
                                            CheckString(ra, "(0:4)");
                                            CheckString(ra.UnionWith(re), "(0:4) | (6:8)");
                                
                                            Check(Range.GetEmpty(), new int\[0\]);
                                
                                            Check(ra, new int\[\] { 0, 1, 2, 3, 4, });
                                            Check(new Range(new int\[\] { 0, 1, 2, 5, 6, 7 }.AsEnumerable()), new int\[\] { 0, 1, 2, 5, 6, 7 });
                                            Check(ra.UnionWith(ra), new int\[\] { 0, 1, 2, 3, 4 });
                                            Check(ra.UnionWith(rb), new int\[\] { 0, 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, 7, 8, 9 });
                                            Check(rb.UnionWith(rc), new int\[\] { 5, 6, 7, 8, 9, 10, 11, 12, 13, 14 });
                                            Check(ra.UnionWith(rc), new int\[\] { 0, 1, 2, 3, 4, 10, 11, 12, 13, 14 });
                                            Check(ra.UnionWith(re), new int\[\] { 0, 1, 2, 3, 4, 6, 7, 8 });
                                            Check(ra.UnionWith(rg), new int\[\] { 0, 1, 2, 3, 4 });
                                            Check(rb.UnionWith(rg), new int\[\] { 0, 5, 6, 7, 8, 9 });
                                            Check(rg.UnionWith(rh).UnionWith(ri), new int\[\] { 0, 1, 2 });
                                            CheckInt(ra.UnionWith(rc).Count, 10);
                                            CheckInt(ra.UnionWith(rc).Min, 0);
                                            CheckInt(ra.UnionWith
                                
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                                What you're doing, at least in the example you've given, is not too far off from the way the "cool kids" are doing unit testing. You're doing the whole AAA thing (arrange, act, assert), you've just bundled all of your test cases into a monolithic block. Since each assertion in your example depends on the outcome of exactly one action, and no action depends on the outcome of any other action, this could be made to fit into the modern unit testing box very easily by just breaking it up into a method-per-test structure, but I couldn't really make a strong case for why you should bother. Things might change if the code under test isn't quite as simple as in your example though, for example if there are dependencies that need to be mocked/stubbed.

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                                  I'm old too. Had a manager who was into TDD. He said things like "write the test before the method" How in the blue heck am I supposed to write a test for something I haven't figured out what it's supposed to do yet? Mercifully he moved to Washington state then Idaho. Don't have to deal with him anymore.

                                  I’ve given up trying to be calm. However, I am open to feeling slightly less agitated.

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                                  Ravi Bhavnani
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                                  MarkTJohnson wrote:

                                  How in the blue heck am I supposed to write a test for something I haven't figured out what it's supposed to do yet?

                                  You don't.  You must define the contract you're testing in its entirety before you can write a test for it.  Otherwise (as you said), how do you know what to test?  If the contract evolves, so must the tests. /ravi

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                                  • OriginalGriffO OriginalGriff

                                    At the moment, when I create a public class called Foo, I also create a static test class called FooTester which exercises the public members of the class as best I can. For example, my non-contiguous range class Range has a RangeTest class that looks like this:

                                        public static string Run()
                                            {
                                            try
                                                {
                                                testsRun = 0;
                                                testsPassed = 0;
                                                testsFailed = 0;
                                                outText.Clear();
                                                Range ra = new Range(0, 4);       // 
                                                Range rb = new Range(5, 9);       // Contiguous with ra
                                                Range rc = new Range(10, 14);     // Contiguous with rb
                                                Range rd = new Range(1, 3);       // Intersects ra, not contiguous with rb
                                                Range re = new Range(6, 8);       // Intersects rb, not contiguous with rc
                                                Range rf = new Range(16, 19);     // Not contiguous with anything.
                                                Range rg = new Range(0, 0);       // Single element.
                                                Range rh = new Range(1, 1);       // Single element.
                                                Range ri = new Range(2, 2);       // Single element.
                                                Range rj = new Range(0, 19);      // All elements.
                                                Range rk = new Range(0, 4);       // Identical to ra
                                    
                                                CheckInt(ra.Count, 5);
                                                CheckInt(ra.Min, 0);
                                                CheckInt(ra.Max, 4);
                                                CheckString(ra, "(0:4)");
                                                CheckString(ra.UnionWith(re), "(0:4) | (6:8)");
                                    
                                                Check(Range.GetEmpty(), new int\[0\]);
                                    
                                                Check(ra, new int\[\] { 0, 1, 2, 3, 4, });
                                                Check(new Range(new int\[\] { 0, 1, 2, 5, 6, 7 }.AsEnumerable()), new int\[\] { 0, 1, 2, 5, 6, 7 });
                                                Check(ra.UnionWith(ra), new int\[\] { 0, 1, 2, 3, 4 });
                                                Check(ra.UnionWith(rb), new int\[\] { 0, 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, 7, 8, 9 });
                                                Check(rb.UnionWith(rc), new int\[\] { 5, 6, 7, 8, 9, 10, 11, 12, 13, 14 });
                                                Check(ra.UnionWith(rc), new int\[\] { 0, 1, 2, 3, 4, 10, 11, 12, 13, 14 });
                                                Check(ra.UnionWith(re), new int\[\] { 0, 1, 2, 3, 4, 6, 7, 8 });
                                                Check(ra.UnionWith(rg), new int\[\] { 0, 1, 2, 3, 4 });
                                                Check(rb.UnionWith(rg), new int\[\] { 0, 5, 6, 7, 8, 9 });
                                                Check(rg.UnionWith(rh).UnionWith(ri), new int\[\] { 0, 1, 2 });
                                                CheckInt(ra.UnionWith(rc).Count, 10);
                                                CheckInt(ra.UnionWith(rc).Min, 0);
                                                CheckInt(ra.UnionWith
                                    
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                                    I :laugh: and :laugh: reading the comments here, old farts who are set in their ways - who basically do what the cool aid drinkers want to call by a new name TDD - almost completely done, I once had an agile "evangelist" asses our methods and conclude that we already do close to agile (same methodology I had been using for 30+ years), she left us alone and concentrated on another team, poor bastards. Stick with what you know and do, it works, it is tried and tested and your in depth knowledge of how it works is invaluable.

                                    Never underestimate the power of human stupidity - RAH I'm old. I know stuff - JSOP

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                                    • OriginalGriffO OriginalGriff

                                      At the moment, when I create a public class called Foo, I also create a static test class called FooTester which exercises the public members of the class as best I can. For example, my non-contiguous range class Range has a RangeTest class that looks like this:

                                          public static string Run()
                                              {
                                              try
                                                  {
                                                  testsRun = 0;
                                                  testsPassed = 0;
                                                  testsFailed = 0;
                                                  outText.Clear();
                                                  Range ra = new Range(0, 4);       // 
                                                  Range rb = new Range(5, 9);       // Contiguous with ra
                                                  Range rc = new Range(10, 14);     // Contiguous with rb
                                                  Range rd = new Range(1, 3);       // Intersects ra, not contiguous with rb
                                                  Range re = new Range(6, 8);       // Intersects rb, not contiguous with rc
                                                  Range rf = new Range(16, 19);     // Not contiguous with anything.
                                                  Range rg = new Range(0, 0);       // Single element.
                                                  Range rh = new Range(1, 1);       // Single element.
                                                  Range ri = new Range(2, 2);       // Single element.
                                                  Range rj = new Range(0, 19);      // All elements.
                                                  Range rk = new Range(0, 4);       // Identical to ra
                                      
                                                  CheckInt(ra.Count, 5);
                                                  CheckInt(ra.Min, 0);
                                                  CheckInt(ra.Max, 4);
                                                  CheckString(ra, "(0:4)");
                                                  CheckString(ra.UnionWith(re), "(0:4) | (6:8)");
                                      
                                                  Check(Range.GetEmpty(), new int\[0\]);
                                      
                                                  Check(ra, new int\[\] { 0, 1, 2, 3, 4, });
                                                  Check(new Range(new int\[\] { 0, 1, 2, 5, 6, 7 }.AsEnumerable()), new int\[\] { 0, 1, 2, 5, 6, 7 });
                                                  Check(ra.UnionWith(ra), new int\[\] { 0, 1, 2, 3, 4 });
                                                  Check(ra.UnionWith(rb), new int\[\] { 0, 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, 7, 8, 9 });
                                                  Check(rb.UnionWith(rc), new int\[\] { 5, 6, 7, 8, 9, 10, 11, 12, 13, 14 });
                                                  Check(ra.UnionWith(rc), new int\[\] { 0, 1, 2, 3, 4, 10, 11, 12, 13, 14 });
                                                  Check(ra.UnionWith(re), new int\[\] { 0, 1, 2, 3, 4, 6, 7, 8 });
                                                  Check(ra.UnionWith(rg), new int\[\] { 0, 1, 2, 3, 4 });
                                                  Check(rb.UnionWith(rg), new int\[\] { 0, 5, 6, 7, 8, 9 });
                                                  Check(rg.UnionWith(rh).UnionWith(ri), new int\[\] { 0, 1, 2 });
                                                  CheckInt(ra.UnionWith(rc).Count, 10);
                                                  CheckInt(ra.UnionWith(rc).Min, 0);
                                                  CheckInt(ra.UnionWith
                                      
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                                      OriginalGriff wrote:

                                      Or are you all philistines who don't automate tests at all?

                                      The one time I automated a test, it was to verify I'd addressed all of the memory leaks in my UI application, written in C#. I'd discovered that the mechanism I was using for navigation leaked memory depending upon how the user navigated the application. Fixing the problem was the death of a thousand cuts. Every navigation destination could potentially leak bindings or event handlers, causing memory to not be garbage-collected. This problem showed up only when the application had been running for several days (it's a control app for a machine). My 'automated test' was a little bit of code that woke up every half a second and navigated to a random destination. I ran the test on a couple machines over the course of a week. At the end of the test, the UI was still bopping about a couple times a second. The peak working set was about 150% of the initial working set after the app started up. I viewed it as a successful test.

                                      Software Zen: delete this;

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                                        I :laugh: and :laugh: reading the comments here, old farts who are set in their ways - who basically do what the cool aid drinkers want to call by a new name TDD - almost completely done, I once had an agile "evangelist" asses our methods and conclude that we already do close to agile (same methodology I had been using for 30+ years), she left us alone and concentrated on another team, poor bastards. Stick with what you know and do, it works, it is tried and tested and your in depth knowledge of how it works is invaluable.

                                        Never underestimate the power of human stupidity - RAH I'm old. I know stuff - JSOP

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                                        That evangelist sounds like one of the better ones. Recognize your existing methodology is OK - and not inventing a stupid recommendation to change something simply because she want to justify her own cost. Unfortunately the SAFe consultant at my previous employer did not have that skill (though from what I hear, they got rid of that crap after I left - as soon as the manager who introduced it moved on).

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                                          I'm old too. Had a manager who was into TDD. He said things like "write the test before the method" How in the blue heck am I supposed to write a test for something I haven't figured out what it's supposed to do yet? Mercifully he moved to Washington state then Idaho. Don't have to deal with him anymore.

                                          I’ve given up trying to be calm. However, I am open to feeling slightly less agitated.

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                                          TDD: 1. Write a test 2. Start writing the code 3. Change the test 4. Write some more code 5. Go back to step 3 as required 6. Finish the code. 7. Fix the bugs in the test. That said, thinking about tests early do help me think "what are the edge cases here" etc. And a few times I do write test first if it is obvious what they should be. As with anything, as soon as you become pedantic you are in for pain.

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