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I'm fairly old fashioned at times ... but should I embrace unit testing?

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  • OriginalGriffO OriginalGriff

    At the moment, when I create a public class called Foo, I also create a static test class called FooTester which exercises the public members of the class as best I can. For example, my non-contiguous range class Range has a RangeTest class that looks like this:

        public static string Run()
            {
            try
                {
                testsRun = 0;
                testsPassed = 0;
                testsFailed = 0;
                outText.Clear();
                Range ra = new Range(0, 4);       // 
                Range rb = new Range(5, 9);       // Contiguous with ra
                Range rc = new Range(10, 14);     // Contiguous with rb
                Range rd = new Range(1, 3);       // Intersects ra, not contiguous with rb
                Range re = new Range(6, 8);       // Intersects rb, not contiguous with rc
                Range rf = new Range(16, 19);     // Not contiguous with anything.
                Range rg = new Range(0, 0);       // Single element.
                Range rh = new Range(1, 1);       // Single element.
                Range ri = new Range(2, 2);       // Single element.
                Range rj = new Range(0, 19);      // All elements.
                Range rk = new Range(0, 4);       // Identical to ra
    
                CheckInt(ra.Count, 5);
                CheckInt(ra.Min, 0);
                CheckInt(ra.Max, 4);
                CheckString(ra, "(0:4)");
                CheckString(ra.UnionWith(re), "(0:4) | (6:8)");
    
                Check(Range.GetEmpty(), new int\[0\]);
    
                Check(ra, new int\[\] { 0, 1, 2, 3, 4, });
                Check(new Range(new int\[\] { 0, 1, 2, 5, 6, 7 }.AsEnumerable()), new int\[\] { 0, 1, 2, 5, 6, 7 });
                Check(ra.UnionWith(ra), new int\[\] { 0, 1, 2, 3, 4 });
                Check(ra.UnionWith(rb), new int\[\] { 0, 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, 7, 8, 9 });
                Check(rb.UnionWith(rc), new int\[\] { 5, 6, 7, 8, 9, 10, 11, 12, 13, 14 });
                Check(ra.UnionWith(rc), new int\[\] { 0, 1, 2, 3, 4, 10, 11, 12, 13, 14 });
                Check(ra.UnionWith(re), new int\[\] { 0, 1, 2, 3, 4, 6, 7, 8 });
                Check(ra.UnionWith(rg), new int\[\] { 0, 1, 2, 3, 4 });
                Check(rb.UnionWith(rg), new int\[\] { 0, 5, 6, 7, 8, 9 });
                Check(rg.UnionWith(rh).UnionWith(ri), new int\[\] { 0, 1, 2 });
                CheckInt(ra.UnionWith(rc).Count, 10);
                CheckInt(ra.UnionWith(rc).Min, 0);
                CheckInt(ra.UnionWith
    
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    realJSOP
    wrote on last edited by
    #36

    Agile programming doesn't lend itself to unit testing. Since the "customer" is involved, they are only concerned about the speed of development, and whether or not a task can be completed within a sprint. For us, a sprint also includes the time testers and customers need to test a given task. We don't have any time to do unit test development because we're just trying to get the code written. Another aspect is that most of our business rules are implemented in the database. Even if they weren't, they change (at the customer's request) so often that writing a unit test for a given business rule is pointless. We would have to write an app that did nothing but spot-check data (we have 54 million records, and it would take HOURS to check them all). Our apps are all web apps, and we have way over the top security restrictions. - We can't use the browser dev console on test, QA, or production environments - We don't have any access to the databases on those environments - All four environments (the ones already cited, and dev) are configured differently in terms of memory, cpu's, hand hard drive space and number of servers. If something happens on test/qa/prod, but not on dev, it's a freakin nightmare because we can't use the dev console on to see what's happening in the javascript to narrow it down. Our infrastructure is the cause of many of our problems, and we can't leverage any tools to find out what's wrong, and unit testing won't help in that regard.

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    • OriginalGriffO OriginalGriff

      At the moment, when I create a public class called Foo, I also create a static test class called FooTester which exercises the public members of the class as best I can. For example, my non-contiguous range class Range has a RangeTest class that looks like this:

          public static string Run()
              {
              try
                  {
                  testsRun = 0;
                  testsPassed = 0;
                  testsFailed = 0;
                  outText.Clear();
                  Range ra = new Range(0, 4);       // 
                  Range rb = new Range(5, 9);       // Contiguous with ra
                  Range rc = new Range(10, 14);     // Contiguous with rb
                  Range rd = new Range(1, 3);       // Intersects ra, not contiguous with rb
                  Range re = new Range(6, 8);       // Intersects rb, not contiguous with rc
                  Range rf = new Range(16, 19);     // Not contiguous with anything.
                  Range rg = new Range(0, 0);       // Single element.
                  Range rh = new Range(1, 1);       // Single element.
                  Range ri = new Range(2, 2);       // Single element.
                  Range rj = new Range(0, 19);      // All elements.
                  Range rk = new Range(0, 4);       // Identical to ra
      
                  CheckInt(ra.Count, 5);
                  CheckInt(ra.Min, 0);
                  CheckInt(ra.Max, 4);
                  CheckString(ra, "(0:4)");
                  CheckString(ra.UnionWith(re), "(0:4) | (6:8)");
      
                  Check(Range.GetEmpty(), new int\[0\]);
      
                  Check(ra, new int\[\] { 0, 1, 2, 3, 4, });
                  Check(new Range(new int\[\] { 0, 1, 2, 5, 6, 7 }.AsEnumerable()), new int\[\] { 0, 1, 2, 5, 6, 7 });
                  Check(ra.UnionWith(ra), new int\[\] { 0, 1, 2, 3, 4 });
                  Check(ra.UnionWith(rb), new int\[\] { 0, 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, 7, 8, 9 });
                  Check(rb.UnionWith(rc), new int\[\] { 5, 6, 7, 8, 9, 10, 11, 12, 13, 14 });
                  Check(ra.UnionWith(rc), new int\[\] { 0, 1, 2, 3, 4, 10, 11, 12, 13, 14 });
                  Check(ra.UnionWith(re), new int\[\] { 0, 1, 2, 3, 4, 6, 7, 8 });
                  Check(ra.UnionWith(rg), new int\[\] { 0, 1, 2, 3, 4 });
                  Check(rb.UnionWith(rg), new int\[\] { 0, 5, 6, 7, 8, 9 });
                  Check(rg.UnionWith(rh).UnionWith(ri), new int\[\] { 0, 1, 2 });
                  CheckInt(ra.UnionWith(rc).Count, 10);
                  CheckInt(ra.UnionWith(rc).Min, 0);
                  CheckInt(ra.UnionWith
      
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      Sander Rossel
      wrote on last edited by
      #37

      Read the stuff at the top of the page: the Lounge is not for coding questions. Post it here instead: Ask a Question[^] Ignoring the rules and annoying people you want free help from is not a good idea ... In addition, when you post your question give us just the relevant code fragments, and paste them directly into the question. Without it, we have no idea what you have tried, and it saves us teh effort of trying to work out which bits of your whole code are important. The more you help us to help you, the better the answer you can get. Well, well, well, how the turntables!* :D * I know it's not completely relevant, but I probably won't get a better chance than this.

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      • Sander RosselS Sander Rossel

        Read the stuff at the top of the page: the Lounge is not for coding questions. Post it here instead: Ask a Question[^] Ignoring the rules and annoying people you want free help from is not a good idea ... In addition, when you post your question give us just the relevant code fragments, and paste them directly into the question. Without it, we have no idea what you have tried, and it saves us teh effort of trying to work out which bits of your whole code are important. The more you help us to help you, the better the answer you can get. Well, well, well, how the turntables!* :D * I know it's not completely relevant, but I probably won't get a better chance than this.

        Best, Sander Azure DevOps Succinctly (free eBook) Azure Serverless Succinctly (free eBook) Migrating Apps to the Cloud with Azure arrgh.js - Bringing LINQ to JavaScript

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        OriginalGriff
        wrote on last edited by
        #38

        :laugh:

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        • OriginalGriffO OriginalGriff

          At the moment, when I create a public class called Foo, I also create a static test class called FooTester which exercises the public members of the class as best I can. For example, my non-contiguous range class Range has a RangeTest class that looks like this:

              public static string Run()
                  {
                  try
                      {
                      testsRun = 0;
                      testsPassed = 0;
                      testsFailed = 0;
                      outText.Clear();
                      Range ra = new Range(0, 4);       // 
                      Range rb = new Range(5, 9);       // Contiguous with ra
                      Range rc = new Range(10, 14);     // Contiguous with rb
                      Range rd = new Range(1, 3);       // Intersects ra, not contiguous with rb
                      Range re = new Range(6, 8);       // Intersects rb, not contiguous with rc
                      Range rf = new Range(16, 19);     // Not contiguous with anything.
                      Range rg = new Range(0, 0);       // Single element.
                      Range rh = new Range(1, 1);       // Single element.
                      Range ri = new Range(2, 2);       // Single element.
                      Range rj = new Range(0, 19);      // All elements.
                      Range rk = new Range(0, 4);       // Identical to ra
          
                      CheckInt(ra.Count, 5);
                      CheckInt(ra.Min, 0);
                      CheckInt(ra.Max, 4);
                      CheckString(ra, "(0:4)");
                      CheckString(ra.UnionWith(re), "(0:4) | (6:8)");
          
                      Check(Range.GetEmpty(), new int\[0\]);
          
                      Check(ra, new int\[\] { 0, 1, 2, 3, 4, });
                      Check(new Range(new int\[\] { 0, 1, 2, 5, 6, 7 }.AsEnumerable()), new int\[\] { 0, 1, 2, 5, 6, 7 });
                      Check(ra.UnionWith(ra), new int\[\] { 0, 1, 2, 3, 4 });
                      Check(ra.UnionWith(rb), new int\[\] { 0, 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, 7, 8, 9 });
                      Check(rb.UnionWith(rc), new int\[\] { 5, 6, 7, 8, 9, 10, 11, 12, 13, 14 });
                      Check(ra.UnionWith(rc), new int\[\] { 0, 1, 2, 3, 4, 10, 11, 12, 13, 14 });
                      Check(ra.UnionWith(re), new int\[\] { 0, 1, 2, 3, 4, 6, 7, 8 });
                      Check(ra.UnionWith(rg), new int\[\] { 0, 1, 2, 3, 4 });
                      Check(rb.UnionWith(rg), new int\[\] { 0, 5, 6, 7, 8, 9 });
                      Check(rg.UnionWith(rh).UnionWith(ri), new int\[\] { 0, 1, 2 });
                      CheckInt(ra.UnionWith(rc).Count, 10);
                      CheckInt(ra.UnionWith(rc).Min, 0);
                      CheckInt(ra.UnionWith
          
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          Cpichols
          wrote on last edited by
          #39

          I'm so old-fashioned that I only recently learned about unit tests and only now learned about automatic testing outside of that. I was out of the mainstream coding world for a quarter of a century while I raised my 6, which is one reason that I'm here - to learn. I think that you should do what works for you unless you are required to do it otherwise. For me and the coding environment I work in, that means lots of echos and prints - var dumping, but that's legacy code for you - don't stir the pot too much xD :laugh:

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          • OriginalGriffO OriginalGriff

            At the moment, when I create a public class called Foo, I also create a static test class called FooTester which exercises the public members of the class as best I can. For example, my non-contiguous range class Range has a RangeTest class that looks like this:

                public static string Run()
                    {
                    try
                        {
                        testsRun = 0;
                        testsPassed = 0;
                        testsFailed = 0;
                        outText.Clear();
                        Range ra = new Range(0, 4);       // 
                        Range rb = new Range(5, 9);       // Contiguous with ra
                        Range rc = new Range(10, 14);     // Contiguous with rb
                        Range rd = new Range(1, 3);       // Intersects ra, not contiguous with rb
                        Range re = new Range(6, 8);       // Intersects rb, not contiguous with rc
                        Range rf = new Range(16, 19);     // Not contiguous with anything.
                        Range rg = new Range(0, 0);       // Single element.
                        Range rh = new Range(1, 1);       // Single element.
                        Range ri = new Range(2, 2);       // Single element.
                        Range rj = new Range(0, 19);      // All elements.
                        Range rk = new Range(0, 4);       // Identical to ra
            
                        CheckInt(ra.Count, 5);
                        CheckInt(ra.Min, 0);
                        CheckInt(ra.Max, 4);
                        CheckString(ra, "(0:4)");
                        CheckString(ra.UnionWith(re), "(0:4) | (6:8)");
            
                        Check(Range.GetEmpty(), new int\[0\]);
            
                        Check(ra, new int\[\] { 0, 1, 2, 3, 4, });
                        Check(new Range(new int\[\] { 0, 1, 2, 5, 6, 7 }.AsEnumerable()), new int\[\] { 0, 1, 2, 5, 6, 7 });
                        Check(ra.UnionWith(ra), new int\[\] { 0, 1, 2, 3, 4 });
                        Check(ra.UnionWith(rb), new int\[\] { 0, 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, 7, 8, 9 });
                        Check(rb.UnionWith(rc), new int\[\] { 5, 6, 7, 8, 9, 10, 11, 12, 13, 14 });
                        Check(ra.UnionWith(rc), new int\[\] { 0, 1, 2, 3, 4, 10, 11, 12, 13, 14 });
                        Check(ra.UnionWith(re), new int\[\] { 0, 1, 2, 3, 4, 6, 7, 8 });
                        Check(ra.UnionWith(rg), new int\[\] { 0, 1, 2, 3, 4 });
                        Check(rb.UnionWith(rg), new int\[\] { 0, 5, 6, 7, 8, 9 });
                        Check(rg.UnionWith(rh).UnionWith(ri), new int\[\] { 0, 1, 2 });
                        CheckInt(ra.UnionWith(rc).Count, 10);
                        CheckInt(ra.UnionWith(rc).Min, 0);
                        CheckInt(ra.UnionWith
            
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            M Offline
            Member 14840496
            wrote on last edited by
            #40

            Unit testing tests for code that is primal and isn't the cause of problems. Test that the value I passed you is a bool. What does cause problems are things like Excel cells that are missing or contains the wrong data. Data configurations that you did not plan/account for. Users that do things you did not think they would ever do. Exceptions you missed that blew up the app. And lets not forget that you are writing test code to test your code. :wtf:

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            • OriginalGriffO OriginalGriff

              At the moment, when I create a public class called Foo, I also create a static test class called FooTester which exercises the public members of the class as best I can. For example, my non-contiguous range class Range has a RangeTest class that looks like this:

                  public static string Run()
                      {
                      try
                          {
                          testsRun = 0;
                          testsPassed = 0;
                          testsFailed = 0;
                          outText.Clear();
                          Range ra = new Range(0, 4);       // 
                          Range rb = new Range(5, 9);       // Contiguous with ra
                          Range rc = new Range(10, 14);     // Contiguous with rb
                          Range rd = new Range(1, 3);       // Intersects ra, not contiguous with rb
                          Range re = new Range(6, 8);       // Intersects rb, not contiguous with rc
                          Range rf = new Range(16, 19);     // Not contiguous with anything.
                          Range rg = new Range(0, 0);       // Single element.
                          Range rh = new Range(1, 1);       // Single element.
                          Range ri = new Range(2, 2);       // Single element.
                          Range rj = new Range(0, 19);      // All elements.
                          Range rk = new Range(0, 4);       // Identical to ra
              
                          CheckInt(ra.Count, 5);
                          CheckInt(ra.Min, 0);
                          CheckInt(ra.Max, 4);
                          CheckString(ra, "(0:4)");
                          CheckString(ra.UnionWith(re), "(0:4) | (6:8)");
              
                          Check(Range.GetEmpty(), new int\[0\]);
              
                          Check(ra, new int\[\] { 0, 1, 2, 3, 4, });
                          Check(new Range(new int\[\] { 0, 1, 2, 5, 6, 7 }.AsEnumerable()), new int\[\] { 0, 1, 2, 5, 6, 7 });
                          Check(ra.UnionWith(ra), new int\[\] { 0, 1, 2, 3, 4 });
                          Check(ra.UnionWith(rb), new int\[\] { 0, 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, 7, 8, 9 });
                          Check(rb.UnionWith(rc), new int\[\] { 5, 6, 7, 8, 9, 10, 11, 12, 13, 14 });
                          Check(ra.UnionWith(rc), new int\[\] { 0, 1, 2, 3, 4, 10, 11, 12, 13, 14 });
                          Check(ra.UnionWith(re), new int\[\] { 0, 1, 2, 3, 4, 6, 7, 8 });
                          Check(ra.UnionWith(rg), new int\[\] { 0, 1, 2, 3, 4 });
                          Check(rb.UnionWith(rg), new int\[\] { 0, 5, 6, 7, 8, 9 });
                          Check(rg.UnionWith(rh).UnionWith(ri), new int\[\] { 0, 1, 2 });
                          CheckInt(ra.UnionWith(rc).Count, 10);
                          CheckInt(ra.UnionWith(rc).Min, 0);
                          CheckInt(ra.UnionWith
              
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              Peter Kelley 2021
              wrote on last edited by
              #41

              It sounds like what you do is exactly what unit testing is. Perhaps some of the other parts of the Capitalized-Letter "Unit Testing" practices that might come to mind are > keeping selected relevent unit test cases for reuse in either/both future development or qa builds. > running the tests *automatically* against a shared build, especially during heavier development times, shared or otherwise. I don't think these are truly new, but have become more widely recognized and adapted for practically any language. We used to do this stuff in COBOL. Beware of when any programmer makes automating a test ritually - if it's automatic, there should be a reason for the test. Some people mistake statistics for quality. If a case doesn't make sense anymore get rid of the test(s). What's great is there are so much shared knowledge and experience. Frameworks and suggested practices abound. And if you don't happen to use a framework for it, there's really no issue, and it has just as much relevence. Automating tests is essential to expediting refactoring code. It gives me some assurance that unexpected behaviors haven't popped up. Some tests behave like functioning documentation to remind me in the future just how this thing works.

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              • OriginalGriffO OriginalGriff

                At the moment, when I create a public class called Foo, I also create a static test class called FooTester which exercises the public members of the class as best I can. For example, my non-contiguous range class Range has a RangeTest class that looks like this:

                    public static string Run()
                        {
                        try
                            {
                            testsRun = 0;
                            testsPassed = 0;
                            testsFailed = 0;
                            outText.Clear();
                            Range ra = new Range(0, 4);       // 
                            Range rb = new Range(5, 9);       // Contiguous with ra
                            Range rc = new Range(10, 14);     // Contiguous with rb
                            Range rd = new Range(1, 3);       // Intersects ra, not contiguous with rb
                            Range re = new Range(6, 8);       // Intersects rb, not contiguous with rc
                            Range rf = new Range(16, 19);     // Not contiguous with anything.
                            Range rg = new Range(0, 0);       // Single element.
                            Range rh = new Range(1, 1);       // Single element.
                            Range ri = new Range(2, 2);       // Single element.
                            Range rj = new Range(0, 19);      // All elements.
                            Range rk = new Range(0, 4);       // Identical to ra
                
                            CheckInt(ra.Count, 5);
                            CheckInt(ra.Min, 0);
                            CheckInt(ra.Max, 4);
                            CheckString(ra, "(0:4)");
                            CheckString(ra.UnionWith(re), "(0:4) | (6:8)");
                
                            Check(Range.GetEmpty(), new int\[0\]);
                
                            Check(ra, new int\[\] { 0, 1, 2, 3, 4, });
                            Check(new Range(new int\[\] { 0, 1, 2, 5, 6, 7 }.AsEnumerable()), new int\[\] { 0, 1, 2, 5, 6, 7 });
                            Check(ra.UnionWith(ra), new int\[\] { 0, 1, 2, 3, 4 });
                            Check(ra.UnionWith(rb), new int\[\] { 0, 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, 7, 8, 9 });
                            Check(rb.UnionWith(rc), new int\[\] { 5, 6, 7, 8, 9, 10, 11, 12, 13, 14 });
                            Check(ra.UnionWith(rc), new int\[\] { 0, 1, 2, 3, 4, 10, 11, 12, 13, 14 });
                            Check(ra.UnionWith(re), new int\[\] { 0, 1, 2, 3, 4, 6, 7, 8 });
                            Check(ra.UnionWith(rg), new int\[\] { 0, 1, 2, 3, 4 });
                            Check(rb.UnionWith(rg), new int\[\] { 0, 5, 6, 7, 8, 9 });
                            Check(rg.UnionWith(rh).UnionWith(ri), new int\[\] { 0, 1, 2 });
                            CheckInt(ra.UnionWith(rc).Count, 10);
                            CheckInt(ra.UnionWith(rc).Min, 0);
                            CheckInt(ra.UnionWith
                
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                Jeroen_R
                wrote on last edited by
                #42

                I used to be skeptical about unit testing and TDD/BDD. Mainly because it felt like it was too much work. Then 2 things happened more or less simultaneously: I got to work on a huge code base that had a 85% unit test coverage and I saw this talk by Ian Cooper/[^] The talk showed me how you can write unit tests that aren't tightly coupled to the implementation of your code, which makes them less brittle and only subject to change when your code has functional changes. The big codebase showed me that it is much easier and less risky (and will therefore be done more often) to make bigger changes and/or refactorings when you know your unit test suite will yell at you when you make a mistake.

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                • OriginalGriffO OriginalGriff

                  At the moment, when I create a public class called Foo, I also create a static test class called FooTester which exercises the public members of the class as best I can. For example, my non-contiguous range class Range has a RangeTest class that looks like this:

                      public static string Run()
                          {
                          try
                              {
                              testsRun = 0;
                              testsPassed = 0;
                              testsFailed = 0;
                              outText.Clear();
                              Range ra = new Range(0, 4);       // 
                              Range rb = new Range(5, 9);       // Contiguous with ra
                              Range rc = new Range(10, 14);     // Contiguous with rb
                              Range rd = new Range(1, 3);       // Intersects ra, not contiguous with rb
                              Range re = new Range(6, 8);       // Intersects rb, not contiguous with rc
                              Range rf = new Range(16, 19);     // Not contiguous with anything.
                              Range rg = new Range(0, 0);       // Single element.
                              Range rh = new Range(1, 1);       // Single element.
                              Range ri = new Range(2, 2);       // Single element.
                              Range rj = new Range(0, 19);      // All elements.
                              Range rk = new Range(0, 4);       // Identical to ra
                  
                              CheckInt(ra.Count, 5);
                              CheckInt(ra.Min, 0);
                              CheckInt(ra.Max, 4);
                              CheckString(ra, "(0:4)");
                              CheckString(ra.UnionWith(re), "(0:4) | (6:8)");
                  
                              Check(Range.GetEmpty(), new int\[0\]);
                  
                              Check(ra, new int\[\] { 0, 1, 2, 3, 4, });
                              Check(new Range(new int\[\] { 0, 1, 2, 5, 6, 7 }.AsEnumerable()), new int\[\] { 0, 1, 2, 5, 6, 7 });
                              Check(ra.UnionWith(ra), new int\[\] { 0, 1, 2, 3, 4 });
                              Check(ra.UnionWith(rb), new int\[\] { 0, 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, 7, 8, 9 });
                              Check(rb.UnionWith(rc), new int\[\] { 5, 6, 7, 8, 9, 10, 11, 12, 13, 14 });
                              Check(ra.UnionWith(rc), new int\[\] { 0, 1, 2, 3, 4, 10, 11, 12, 13, 14 });
                              Check(ra.UnionWith(re), new int\[\] { 0, 1, 2, 3, 4, 6, 7, 8 });
                              Check(ra.UnionWith(rg), new int\[\] { 0, 1, 2, 3, 4 });
                              Check(rb.UnionWith(rg), new int\[\] { 0, 5, 6, 7, 8, 9 });
                              Check(rg.UnionWith(rh).UnionWith(ri), new int\[\] { 0, 1, 2 });
                              CheckInt(ra.UnionWith(rc).Count, 10);
                              CheckInt(ra.UnionWith(rc).Min, 0);
                              CheckInt(ra.UnionWith
                  
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                  Matt Bond
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                  We code a extremely large enterprise program (multiple EXE's, multiple Windows services, etc.). We use automatic unit testing in only 2 places. Both of them are for complex calculations with a handful of inputs and outputs. There are billions of possible logic paths. The unit tests included about a 1000 sets of inputs that covered common scenarios and edge cases. That way if we had to fix the calculations, we knew that they still worked by just running the unit tests. These are not automatically run. Dev's just run them if they change the matching code. We also use an automatic testing suite to test the program. There is a separate team that creates and maintains that suite. The Dev's never talk to them. I have no idea what they do or how they do it. It took 2+ years for them to get about 90% test coverage. We consider running this automatic test suite as smoke testing.

                  Bond Keep all things as simple as possible, but no simpler. -said someone, somewhere

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                  • OriginalGriffO OriginalGriff

                    At the moment, when I create a public class called Foo, I also create a static test class called FooTester which exercises the public members of the class as best I can. For example, my non-contiguous range class Range has a RangeTest class that looks like this:

                        public static string Run()
                            {
                            try
                                {
                                testsRun = 0;
                                testsPassed = 0;
                                testsFailed = 0;
                                outText.Clear();
                                Range ra = new Range(0, 4);       // 
                                Range rb = new Range(5, 9);       // Contiguous with ra
                                Range rc = new Range(10, 14);     // Contiguous with rb
                                Range rd = new Range(1, 3);       // Intersects ra, not contiguous with rb
                                Range re = new Range(6, 8);       // Intersects rb, not contiguous with rc
                                Range rf = new Range(16, 19);     // Not contiguous with anything.
                                Range rg = new Range(0, 0);       // Single element.
                                Range rh = new Range(1, 1);       // Single element.
                                Range ri = new Range(2, 2);       // Single element.
                                Range rj = new Range(0, 19);      // All elements.
                                Range rk = new Range(0, 4);       // Identical to ra
                    
                                CheckInt(ra.Count, 5);
                                CheckInt(ra.Min, 0);
                                CheckInt(ra.Max, 4);
                                CheckString(ra, "(0:4)");
                                CheckString(ra.UnionWith(re), "(0:4) | (6:8)");
                    
                                Check(Range.GetEmpty(), new int\[0\]);
                    
                                Check(ra, new int\[\] { 0, 1, 2, 3, 4, });
                                Check(new Range(new int\[\] { 0, 1, 2, 5, 6, 7 }.AsEnumerable()), new int\[\] { 0, 1, 2, 5, 6, 7 });
                                Check(ra.UnionWith(ra), new int\[\] { 0, 1, 2, 3, 4 });
                                Check(ra.UnionWith(rb), new int\[\] { 0, 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, 7, 8, 9 });
                                Check(rb.UnionWith(rc), new int\[\] { 5, 6, 7, 8, 9, 10, 11, 12, 13, 14 });
                                Check(ra.UnionWith(rc), new int\[\] { 0, 1, 2, 3, 4, 10, 11, 12, 13, 14 });
                                Check(ra.UnionWith(re), new int\[\] { 0, 1, 2, 3, 4, 6, 7, 8 });
                                Check(ra.UnionWith(rg), new int\[\] { 0, 1, 2, 3, 4 });
                                Check(rb.UnionWith(rg), new int\[\] { 0, 5, 6, 7, 8, 9 });
                                Check(rg.UnionWith(rh).UnionWith(ri), new int\[\] { 0, 1, 2 });
                                CheckInt(ra.UnionWith(rc).Count, 10);
                                CheckInt(ra.UnionWith(rc).Min, 0);
                                CheckInt(ra.UnionWith
                    
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                    I've been writing C/C++/C# professionally now for 30 years in the critical realm of industrial automation. I've never done formal unit testing. I write code carefully and deliberately, refactoring as necessary until it looks clean and efficient. I then run some tests to confirm the expected functionality - and then I move on. The key to success is following SOLID principles and not moving on until the code is clean and methods/variables are well named. A method that works will continue to work, and clean well-named code is easy to work with later.

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                    • OriginalGriffO OriginalGriff

                      At the moment, when I create a public class called Foo, I also create a static test class called FooTester which exercises the public members of the class as best I can. For example, my non-contiguous range class Range has a RangeTest class that looks like this:

                          public static string Run()
                              {
                              try
                                  {
                                  testsRun = 0;
                                  testsPassed = 0;
                                  testsFailed = 0;
                                  outText.Clear();
                                  Range ra = new Range(0, 4);       // 
                                  Range rb = new Range(5, 9);       // Contiguous with ra
                                  Range rc = new Range(10, 14);     // Contiguous with rb
                                  Range rd = new Range(1, 3);       // Intersects ra, not contiguous with rb
                                  Range re = new Range(6, 8);       // Intersects rb, not contiguous with rc
                                  Range rf = new Range(16, 19);     // Not contiguous with anything.
                                  Range rg = new Range(0, 0);       // Single element.
                                  Range rh = new Range(1, 1);       // Single element.
                                  Range ri = new Range(2, 2);       // Single element.
                                  Range rj = new Range(0, 19);      // All elements.
                                  Range rk = new Range(0, 4);       // Identical to ra
                      
                                  CheckInt(ra.Count, 5);
                                  CheckInt(ra.Min, 0);
                                  CheckInt(ra.Max, 4);
                                  CheckString(ra, "(0:4)");
                                  CheckString(ra.UnionWith(re), "(0:4) | (6:8)");
                      
                                  Check(Range.GetEmpty(), new int\[0\]);
                      
                                  Check(ra, new int\[\] { 0, 1, 2, 3, 4, });
                                  Check(new Range(new int\[\] { 0, 1, 2, 5, 6, 7 }.AsEnumerable()), new int\[\] { 0, 1, 2, 5, 6, 7 });
                                  Check(ra.UnionWith(ra), new int\[\] { 0, 1, 2, 3, 4 });
                                  Check(ra.UnionWith(rb), new int\[\] { 0, 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, 7, 8, 9 });
                                  Check(rb.UnionWith(rc), new int\[\] { 5, 6, 7, 8, 9, 10, 11, 12, 13, 14 });
                                  Check(ra.UnionWith(rc), new int\[\] { 0, 1, 2, 3, 4, 10, 11, 12, 13, 14 });
                                  Check(ra.UnionWith(re), new int\[\] { 0, 1, 2, 3, 4, 6, 7, 8 });
                                  Check(ra.UnionWith(rg), new int\[\] { 0, 1, 2, 3, 4 });
                                  Check(rb.UnionWith(rg), new int\[\] { 0, 5, 6, 7, 8, 9 });
                                  Check(rg.UnionWith(rh).UnionWith(ri), new int\[\] { 0, 1, 2 });
                                  CheckInt(ra.UnionWith(rc).Count, 10);
                                  CheckInt(ra.UnionWith(rc).Min, 0);
                                  CheckInt(ra.UnionWith
                      
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                      I love unit testing. When I'm not working with a testing framework, every class has a static method for testing (static, so it isn't linked into the executable unless you call tests). I test things when I change things. The two projects I worked on that had the lowest defect density both had good unit tests and a desire to make them better. Did I mention that I love unit testing?

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                      • OriginalGriffO OriginalGriff

                        At the moment, when I create a public class called Foo, I also create a static test class called FooTester which exercises the public members of the class as best I can. For example, my non-contiguous range class Range has a RangeTest class that looks like this:

                            public static string Run()
                                {
                                try
                                    {
                                    testsRun = 0;
                                    testsPassed = 0;
                                    testsFailed = 0;
                                    outText.Clear();
                                    Range ra = new Range(0, 4);       // 
                                    Range rb = new Range(5, 9);       // Contiguous with ra
                                    Range rc = new Range(10, 14);     // Contiguous with rb
                                    Range rd = new Range(1, 3);       // Intersects ra, not contiguous with rb
                                    Range re = new Range(6, 8);       // Intersects rb, not contiguous with rc
                                    Range rf = new Range(16, 19);     // Not contiguous with anything.
                                    Range rg = new Range(0, 0);       // Single element.
                                    Range rh = new Range(1, 1);       // Single element.
                                    Range ri = new Range(2, 2);       // Single element.
                                    Range rj = new Range(0, 19);      // All elements.
                                    Range rk = new Range(0, 4);       // Identical to ra
                        
                                    CheckInt(ra.Count, 5);
                                    CheckInt(ra.Min, 0);
                                    CheckInt(ra.Max, 4);
                                    CheckString(ra, "(0:4)");
                                    CheckString(ra.UnionWith(re), "(0:4) | (6:8)");
                        
                                    Check(Range.GetEmpty(), new int\[0\]);
                        
                                    Check(ra, new int\[\] { 0, 1, 2, 3, 4, });
                                    Check(new Range(new int\[\] { 0, 1, 2, 5, 6, 7 }.AsEnumerable()), new int\[\] { 0, 1, 2, 5, 6, 7 });
                                    Check(ra.UnionWith(ra), new int\[\] { 0, 1, 2, 3, 4 });
                                    Check(ra.UnionWith(rb), new int\[\] { 0, 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, 7, 8, 9 });
                                    Check(rb.UnionWith(rc), new int\[\] { 5, 6, 7, 8, 9, 10, 11, 12, 13, 14 });
                                    Check(ra.UnionWith(rc), new int\[\] { 0, 1, 2, 3, 4, 10, 11, 12, 13, 14 });
                                    Check(ra.UnionWith(re), new int\[\] { 0, 1, 2, 3, 4, 6, 7, 8 });
                                    Check(ra.UnionWith(rg), new int\[\] { 0, 1, 2, 3, 4 });
                                    Check(rb.UnionWith(rg), new int\[\] { 0, 5, 6, 7, 8, 9 });
                                    Check(rg.UnionWith(rh).UnionWith(ri), new int\[\] { 0, 1, 2 });
                                    CheckInt(ra.UnionWith(rc).Count, 10);
                                    CheckInt(ra.UnionWith(rc).Min, 0);
                                    CheckInt(ra.UnionWith
                        
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                        I've always been a single dev, once or twice working with another dev at jobs. I've never bothered with Unit Testing (when it started to become popular), because of the nature of the embedded or control software made it almost impossible to simulate real world situations. the code had to be correct also because of the litigation that could happen if something is even a little off and you destroy product. Although I'm not building that stuff as much anymore, I still go by my old habits of building code and test running it early as possible. some more complex things will get a temporary project to test the code and once I'm happy I'll integrate it into the main project. I rarely have bug issues and still have software out there running since 2001-ish. this is my first job using SQL that I've never needed before in my previous jobs, but I still find when making stored procedures or complex views that I follow my normal build, test, and expand until the final SPROC is completed. It's nice because it's always a testable 'unit' to verify results separate from the software logic. this place I'm working for now had so much embedded inline SQL in the legacy code, so It's almost impossible to test out separately from the program logic, so it's all getting replaced slowly. tldr; I'm old and stubborn, and my process has been working great for me forever, I see no need to use Unit Testing at this point.

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                        • OriginalGriffO OriginalGriff

                          At the moment, when I create a public class called Foo, I also create a static test class called FooTester which exercises the public members of the class as best I can. For example, my non-contiguous range class Range has a RangeTest class that looks like this:

                              public static string Run()
                                  {
                                  try
                                      {
                                      testsRun = 0;
                                      testsPassed = 0;
                                      testsFailed = 0;
                                      outText.Clear();
                                      Range ra = new Range(0, 4);       // 
                                      Range rb = new Range(5, 9);       // Contiguous with ra
                                      Range rc = new Range(10, 14);     // Contiguous with rb
                                      Range rd = new Range(1, 3);       // Intersects ra, not contiguous with rb
                                      Range re = new Range(6, 8);       // Intersects rb, not contiguous with rc
                                      Range rf = new Range(16, 19);     // Not contiguous with anything.
                                      Range rg = new Range(0, 0);       // Single element.
                                      Range rh = new Range(1, 1);       // Single element.
                                      Range ri = new Range(2, 2);       // Single element.
                                      Range rj = new Range(0, 19);      // All elements.
                                      Range rk = new Range(0, 4);       // Identical to ra
                          
                                      CheckInt(ra.Count, 5);
                                      CheckInt(ra.Min, 0);
                                      CheckInt(ra.Max, 4);
                                      CheckString(ra, "(0:4)");
                                      CheckString(ra.UnionWith(re), "(0:4) | (6:8)");
                          
                                      Check(Range.GetEmpty(), new int\[0\]);
                          
                                      Check(ra, new int\[\] { 0, 1, 2, 3, 4, });
                                      Check(new Range(new int\[\] { 0, 1, 2, 5, 6, 7 }.AsEnumerable()), new int\[\] { 0, 1, 2, 5, 6, 7 });
                                      Check(ra.UnionWith(ra), new int\[\] { 0, 1, 2, 3, 4 });
                                      Check(ra.UnionWith(rb), new int\[\] { 0, 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, 7, 8, 9 });
                                      Check(rb.UnionWith(rc), new int\[\] { 5, 6, 7, 8, 9, 10, 11, 12, 13, 14 });
                                      Check(ra.UnionWith(rc), new int\[\] { 0, 1, 2, 3, 4, 10, 11, 12, 13, 14 });
                                      Check(ra.UnionWith(re), new int\[\] { 0, 1, 2, 3, 4, 6, 7, 8 });
                                      Check(ra.UnionWith(rg), new int\[\] { 0, 1, 2, 3, 4 });
                                      Check(rb.UnionWith(rg), new int\[\] { 0, 5, 6, 7, 8, 9 });
                                      Check(rg.UnionWith(rh).UnionWith(ri), new int\[\] { 0, 1, 2 });
                                      CheckInt(ra.UnionWith(rc).Count, 10);
                                      CheckInt(ra.UnionWith(rc).Min, 0);
                                      CheckInt(ra.UnionWith
                          
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                          CosmoSpacely
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                          Uhhhh, you have already embraced unit testing. Your static class *is* a unit test. Otherwise known as a device to keep programmers sane(ish). It doesn't integrate with frameworks or IDE integration, but it's a unit test.

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                            TDD: 1. Write a test 2. Start writing the code 3. Change the test 4. Write some more code 5. Go back to step 3 as required 6. Finish the code. 7. Fix the bugs in the test. That said, thinking about tests early do help me think "what are the edge cases here" etc. And a few times I do write test first if it is obvious what they should be. As with anything, as soon as you become pedantic you are in for pain.

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                            TNCaver
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                            lmoelleb wrote:

                            thinking about tests early do help me think "what are the edge cases here" etc.

                            I think of those things while writing the code inside the try{} block and inside the catch{} block. I don't see any benefit to doubling my work for the little, if any, benefit gained by adding a unit test. Major companies like MS have been using TDD for years now, and their software still has bugs. I'm not impressed.

                            If you think 'goto' is evil, try writing an Assembly program without JMP.

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                              I've been writing C/C++/C# professionally now for 30 years in the critical realm of industrial automation. I've never done formal unit testing. I write code carefully and deliberately, refactoring as necessary until it looks clean and efficient. I then run some tests to confirm the expected functionality - and then I move on. The key to success is following SOLID principles and not moving on until the code is clean and methods/variables are well named. A method that works will continue to work, and clean well-named code is easy to work with later.

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                              Matt McGuire
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                              I pretty much said the same. there is not much room for error in industrial automation. keeping the code clean without anything that can be ambiguous is always a solid direction. like you know, it's almost impossible to simulate all the analog and digital signals that happen in the real world. writing unit tests for that would dwarf the original code :laugh: I do miss working in industrial automation, I liked the challenges that came from it. just didn't like the companies or people I worked with there, too many hours away from home, too little pay, and too much stress being the sole dev to do it all.

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                              • OriginalGriffO OriginalGriff

                                At the moment, when I create a public class called Foo, I also create a static test class called FooTester which exercises the public members of the class as best I can. For example, my non-contiguous range class Range has a RangeTest class that looks like this:

                                    public static string Run()
                                        {
                                        try
                                            {
                                            testsRun = 0;
                                            testsPassed = 0;
                                            testsFailed = 0;
                                            outText.Clear();
                                            Range ra = new Range(0, 4);       // 
                                            Range rb = new Range(5, 9);       // Contiguous with ra
                                            Range rc = new Range(10, 14);     // Contiguous with rb
                                            Range rd = new Range(1, 3);       // Intersects ra, not contiguous with rb
                                            Range re = new Range(6, 8);       // Intersects rb, not contiguous with rc
                                            Range rf = new Range(16, 19);     // Not contiguous with anything.
                                            Range rg = new Range(0, 0);       // Single element.
                                            Range rh = new Range(1, 1);       // Single element.
                                            Range ri = new Range(2, 2);       // Single element.
                                            Range rj = new Range(0, 19);      // All elements.
                                            Range rk = new Range(0, 4);       // Identical to ra
                                
                                            CheckInt(ra.Count, 5);
                                            CheckInt(ra.Min, 0);
                                            CheckInt(ra.Max, 4);
                                            CheckString(ra, "(0:4)");
                                            CheckString(ra.UnionWith(re), "(0:4) | (6:8)");
                                
                                            Check(Range.GetEmpty(), new int\[0\]);
                                
                                            Check(ra, new int\[\] { 0, 1, 2, 3, 4, });
                                            Check(new Range(new int\[\] { 0, 1, 2, 5, 6, 7 }.AsEnumerable()), new int\[\] { 0, 1, 2, 5, 6, 7 });
                                            Check(ra.UnionWith(ra), new int\[\] { 0, 1, 2, 3, 4 });
                                            Check(ra.UnionWith(rb), new int\[\] { 0, 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, 7, 8, 9 });
                                            Check(rb.UnionWith(rc), new int\[\] { 5, 6, 7, 8, 9, 10, 11, 12, 13, 14 });
                                            Check(ra.UnionWith(rc), new int\[\] { 0, 1, 2, 3, 4, 10, 11, 12, 13, 14 });
                                            Check(ra.UnionWith(re), new int\[\] { 0, 1, 2, 3, 4, 6, 7, 8 });
                                            Check(ra.UnionWith(rg), new int\[\] { 0, 1, 2, 3, 4 });
                                            Check(rb.UnionWith(rg), new int\[\] { 0, 5, 6, 7, 8, 9 });
                                            Check(rg.UnionWith(rh).UnionWith(ri), new int\[\] { 0, 1, 2 });
                                            CheckInt(ra.UnionWith(rc).Count, 10);
                                            CheckInt(ra.UnionWith(rc).Min, 0);
                                            CheckInt(ra.UnionWith
                                
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                                It doesn't matter how you do Unit Testing as long as it is done legitimately. I always do my own Unit Testing using the old fashioned technique of testing all the functions in my applications by hand. The result is that I have practically never had a deployment with any serious issues. And the one or two times that did happen, the issues were quickly resolved. You do not need a tool to do quality testing, just common sense. Besides, if you do database, intensive application development, there is no real way to implement a tool such as NUnit since the only reliable tests are that a database call did not yield an access\update error and if the data returned/updated was done properly...

                                Steve Naidamast Sr. Software Engineer Black Falcon Software, Inc. blackfalconsoftware@outlook.com

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                                • OriginalGriffO OriginalGriff

                                  At the moment, when I create a public class called Foo, I also create a static test class called FooTester which exercises the public members of the class as best I can. For example, my non-contiguous range class Range has a RangeTest class that looks like this:

                                      public static string Run()
                                          {
                                          try
                                              {
                                              testsRun = 0;
                                              testsPassed = 0;
                                              testsFailed = 0;
                                              outText.Clear();
                                              Range ra = new Range(0, 4);       // 
                                              Range rb = new Range(5, 9);       // Contiguous with ra
                                              Range rc = new Range(10, 14);     // Contiguous with rb
                                              Range rd = new Range(1, 3);       // Intersects ra, not contiguous with rb
                                              Range re = new Range(6, 8);       // Intersects rb, not contiguous with rc
                                              Range rf = new Range(16, 19);     // Not contiguous with anything.
                                              Range rg = new Range(0, 0);       // Single element.
                                              Range rh = new Range(1, 1);       // Single element.
                                              Range ri = new Range(2, 2);       // Single element.
                                              Range rj = new Range(0, 19);      // All elements.
                                              Range rk = new Range(0, 4);       // Identical to ra
                                  
                                              CheckInt(ra.Count, 5);
                                              CheckInt(ra.Min, 0);
                                              CheckInt(ra.Max, 4);
                                              CheckString(ra, "(0:4)");
                                              CheckString(ra.UnionWith(re), "(0:4) | (6:8)");
                                  
                                              Check(Range.GetEmpty(), new int\[0\]);
                                  
                                              Check(ra, new int\[\] { 0, 1, 2, 3, 4, });
                                              Check(new Range(new int\[\] { 0, 1, 2, 5, 6, 7 }.AsEnumerable()), new int\[\] { 0, 1, 2, 5, 6, 7 });
                                              Check(ra.UnionWith(ra), new int\[\] { 0, 1, 2, 3, 4 });
                                              Check(ra.UnionWith(rb), new int\[\] { 0, 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, 7, 8, 9 });
                                              Check(rb.UnionWith(rc), new int\[\] { 5, 6, 7, 8, 9, 10, 11, 12, 13, 14 });
                                              Check(ra.UnionWith(rc), new int\[\] { 0, 1, 2, 3, 4, 10, 11, 12, 13, 14 });
                                              Check(ra.UnionWith(re), new int\[\] { 0, 1, 2, 3, 4, 6, 7, 8 });
                                              Check(ra.UnionWith(rg), new int\[\] { 0, 1, 2, 3, 4 });
                                              Check(rb.UnionWith(rg), new int\[\] { 0, 5, 6, 7, 8, 9 });
                                              Check(rg.UnionWith(rh).UnionWith(ri), new int\[\] { 0, 1, 2 });
                                              CheckInt(ra.UnionWith(rc).Count, 10);
                                              CheckInt(ra.UnionWith(rc).Min, 0);
                                              CheckInt(ra.UnionWith
                                  
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                                  Shmoken99
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                                  I reluctantly accepted unit tests, and now I think they are fantastic. Can't tell you how many times unit tests caught breaking changes for our team. Also, when developing some heavy duty optimizers it was great being able to test the code without having to fire up the UI and submit a job etc. Just debug the unit test to see where things went wrong. I am guilty of writing a lot of integration tests masquerading as unit tests. But then, working on a legacy app with a lot of dependencies, it's nice to be able to test those with confidence, too. Creating the first test is hard, but once it's done the rest just seem to flow. Now that a lot of classes have unit tests the barrier to entry is much lower, too. It does get easier.

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                                  • T TNCaver

                                    lmoelleb wrote:

                                    thinking about tests early do help me think "what are the edge cases here" etc.

                                    I think of those things while writing the code inside the try{} block and inside the catch{} block. I don't see any benefit to doubling my work for the little, if any, benefit gained by adding a unit test. Major companies like MS have been using TDD for years now, and their software still has bugs. I'm not impressed.

                                    If you think 'goto' is evil, try writing an Assembly program without JMP.

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                                    lmoelleb
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                                    If you asked me 5-10 years ago, I would have said the same. And the code I did write back then was not really testable, so based on that it was definitely a bad cost/benefit to write many tests. I have now adjusted how I write the code to make it easy - and now I find the code is more easy to read - but all of this is obviously personal preference.

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                                    • S Slacker007

                                      I don't always test my code, but when I do, I do it in Production.

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                                      englebart
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                                      Sounds like a Corona beer commercial from “the world’s most interesting man” 😊

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                                      • OriginalGriffO OriginalGriff

                                        At the moment, when I create a public class called Foo, I also create a static test class called FooTester which exercises the public members of the class as best I can. For example, my non-contiguous range class Range has a RangeTest class that looks like this:

                                            public static string Run()
                                                {
                                                try
                                                    {
                                                    testsRun = 0;
                                                    testsPassed = 0;
                                                    testsFailed = 0;
                                                    outText.Clear();
                                                    Range ra = new Range(0, 4);       // 
                                                    Range rb = new Range(5, 9);       // Contiguous with ra
                                                    Range rc = new Range(10, 14);     // Contiguous with rb
                                                    Range rd = new Range(1, 3);       // Intersects ra, not contiguous with rb
                                                    Range re = new Range(6, 8);       // Intersects rb, not contiguous with rc
                                                    Range rf = new Range(16, 19);     // Not contiguous with anything.
                                                    Range rg = new Range(0, 0);       // Single element.
                                                    Range rh = new Range(1, 1);       // Single element.
                                                    Range ri = new Range(2, 2);       // Single element.
                                                    Range rj = new Range(0, 19);      // All elements.
                                                    Range rk = new Range(0, 4);       // Identical to ra
                                        
                                                    CheckInt(ra.Count, 5);
                                                    CheckInt(ra.Min, 0);
                                                    CheckInt(ra.Max, 4);
                                                    CheckString(ra, "(0:4)");
                                                    CheckString(ra.UnionWith(re), "(0:4) | (6:8)");
                                        
                                                    Check(Range.GetEmpty(), new int\[0\]);
                                        
                                                    Check(ra, new int\[\] { 0, 1, 2, 3, 4, });
                                                    Check(new Range(new int\[\] { 0, 1, 2, 5, 6, 7 }.AsEnumerable()), new int\[\] { 0, 1, 2, 5, 6, 7 });
                                                    Check(ra.UnionWith(ra), new int\[\] { 0, 1, 2, 3, 4 });
                                                    Check(ra.UnionWith(rb), new int\[\] { 0, 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, 7, 8, 9 });
                                                    Check(rb.UnionWith(rc), new int\[\] { 5, 6, 7, 8, 9, 10, 11, 12, 13, 14 });
                                                    Check(ra.UnionWith(rc), new int\[\] { 0, 1, 2, 3, 4, 10, 11, 12, 13, 14 });
                                                    Check(ra.UnionWith(re), new int\[\] { 0, 1, 2, 3, 4, 6, 7, 8 });
                                                    Check(ra.UnionWith(rg), new int\[\] { 0, 1, 2, 3, 4 });
                                                    Check(rb.UnionWith(rg), new int\[\] { 0, 5, 6, 7, 8, 9 });
                                                    Check(rg.UnionWith(rh).UnionWith(ri), new int\[\] { 0, 1, 2 });
                                                    CheckInt(ra.UnionWith(rc).Count, 10);
                                                    CheckInt(ra.UnionWith(rc).Min, 0);
                                                    CheckInt(ra.UnionWith
                                        
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                                        Agree with r_hyde post and others that this is unit testing. If you break each test into a separate, well-named method and add the right annotations in the right project type then it will be “testing framework ready” . It would eliminate your counter necessity and replace it with the method name. Is it worth it? Not until you need to make another major enhancement on the subject class. Unless you want to do it as a learning exercise. Before you start work on your next enhancement, clone your test class and refactor into a unit test. Both tests should pass. In the new unit test write the new tests for your enhancement. Run the tests and the new ones would fail until you implement the upgrades. Depending on which version of IDE you have, you can use the unit tests to verify 100% code coverage in the subject. This is very powerful and has helped me in the past with a utility class similar to your range class. I had written code for a range like [3,1] that treats it like [1,3] but did not have test cases for it. The coverage report caught my miss.

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