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  • Mircea NeacsuM Mircea Neacsu

    honey the codewitch wrote:

    if you gets one without a rechargeable feature - like it takes AA batteries - it will last longer.

    You are probably right but I don't see why. I used to put 2 NiMH rechargeables in my Microsoft mouse and they would last 6 months. Why the frigging LiIon-s can't do it.

    honey the codewitch wrote:

    Cheap ones aren't very accurate

    That's a problem. For any CAD work I need to be somewhere between 2000 and 5000 dpi if I want to work comfortably. Otherwise I need to zoom to tremendous scales to hit something. Looks like I have to wait for the 22nd century for a decent mouse. :laugh: Edit:

    honey the codewitch wrote:

    If you CAD at your desk you may consider getting a wired gaming mouse

    Unfortunately it looks like that :(

    Mircea

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    Refresh. I edited my previous reply a couple of times. Maybe what I added will help. :)

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    • Mircea NeacsuM Mircea Neacsu

      Thanks for the tip. One review[^] says:

      Quote:

      This is an affordable mouse for people who don't care much about how accurate or responsive the mouse is,

      Well... I care about how accurate it is :laugh:

      Mircea

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      Never met an "accurate" wireless mouse. Maybe if it was the only wireless thing around.

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      • honey the codewitchH honey the codewitch

        Refresh. I edited my previous reply a couple of times. Maybe what I added will help. :)

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        Me too :) Thanks for suggestions!

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          Never met an "accurate" wireless mouse. Maybe if it was the only wireless thing around.

          "Before entering on an understanding, I have meditated for a long time, and have foreseen what might happen. It is not genius which reveals to me suddenly, secretly, what I have to say or to do in a circumstance unexpected by other people; it is reflection, it is meditation." - Napoleon I

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          Well, this one, I have to give it to it, is very accurate. No sudden jumps or lack of responsiveness even in Bluetooth mode.

          Mircea

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          • Mircea NeacsuM Mircea Neacsu

            My turn to rant ... A couple of months ago, lulled by positive reviews like this[^], I got myself a Corsair Harpoon mouse, may its name live in infamy! This is nothing like what I've expected. Biggest problem is the ridiculously short battery life: about a week on average and that's without the fancy RGB lightning. I was used to Microsoft mice where I would recharge batteries once every 6 months or less and now I'm stuck with this thing that dies on me every other week. To add insult to injury, the software that comes with it is atrocious. All fancy-schmancy UI but every other day it says the device is not available and it cannot show me the battery level. I have to restart the frigging UI to find the mouse again. Besides the battery level is available only when using the RF dongle, not in Bluetooth mode. That occupies another USB port on my hub. In short, this is not a wireless mouse. It is a wired mouse that can occasionally be disconnected. bleah... [end of rant] Can someone recommend a mouse that (in order of importance): - is ambidextrous. I alternate between my hands to avoid RSI. - has a good (maybe gaming level) resolution. I occasionally do PCB design and other CAD work. - is wireless. Heck, we are in 21st century! - doesn't break the bank

            Mircea

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            Whatever you get, I recommend a laser sensor for precision movement. Optic sensors are ok but in my experience they have a very noticeable "dead zone" if you use very sensitive settings. I had a Corsair M60 Pro that was great for probably 5-6 years but then the right-click died a couple months back. I'm using a Logitech M500s now (had to find something local) which has been ok. The construction feels good (a nice stiffness to the clicks) but the sensor is dog-water at ~3000 dpi or higher. If you move the mouse a millimeter at a time from a dead stop as if you were carefully adjusting the cursor position, the cursor sometimes won't even move. You have to "snap" the mouse to kind of "wake up" the sensor before any fine movement.

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            • J Jon McKee

              Whatever you get, I recommend a laser sensor for precision movement. Optic sensors are ok but in my experience they have a very noticeable "dead zone" if you use very sensitive settings. I had a Corsair M60 Pro that was great for probably 5-6 years but then the right-click died a couple months back. I'm using a Logitech M500s now (had to find something local) which has been ok. The construction feels good (a nice stiffness to the clicks) but the sensor is dog-water at ~3000 dpi or higher. If you move the mouse a millimeter at a time from a dead stop as if you were carefully adjusting the cursor position, the cursor sometimes won't even move. You have to "snap" the mouse to kind of "wake up" the sensor before any fine movement.

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              Jon McKee wrote:

              Whatever you get, I recommend a laser sensor for precision movement. Optic sensors are ok but in my experience they have a very noticeable "dead zone" if you use very sensitive settings.

              That's what I used to know too. Seems however that these days special optical sensors are back in the game. Logitech calls them HERO or something. AFAIK Corsair has also an optical sensor and cannot complain about any lack of sensitivity. Maybe that's why it drains so much battery.

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              • Mircea NeacsuM Mircea Neacsu

                Jon McKee wrote:

                Whatever you get, I recommend a laser sensor for precision movement. Optic sensors are ok but in my experience they have a very noticeable "dead zone" if you use very sensitive settings.

                That's what I used to know too. Seems however that these days special optical sensors are back in the game. Logitech calls them HERO or something. AFAIK Corsair has also an optical sensor and cannot complain about any lack of sensitivity. Maybe that's why it drains so much battery.

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                Interesting. I just looked it up and wow that HERO sensor is a leap. 25,600 max DPI? Who on Earth needs that? Pretty neat though, I wonder how they pulled that off and if it requires some special mouse-pad to reliably achieve that. 1ms polling rate too which surprises me. A lot of the optical mice (including my M500s) use the default 8ms which is... not as awful as people say but certainly noticeable.

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                • Mircea NeacsuM Mircea Neacsu

                  Me too :) Thanks for suggestions!

                  Mircea

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                  I second the idea of two mice. Keep the accurate mouse in reserve and it will outlive its drivers. If you are using optical and need that level of resolution, then the surface/mousepad texture must make a huge difference.

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                    Mircea Neacsu wrote:

                    wireless

                    There's, indeed, your problem. I can sympathize with the Corsair iCUE interface myself ('seems overly bedazzling and arrests CPU cycles at oddly ironic times) ... but it's the heavy duty braided USB cable attachment to USB (blue) that guarantees voltage and makes a ... closet full of M65 RGBs my go-to supply of input devices when a switch on an 'old' one goes south. I even engrave them as they pass through my daily use pattern on their final leg to eternity standing on Saturns rings, audible, at rest in Valhalla.

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                    RedDk wrote:

                    I can sympathize with the Corsair iCUE interface myself

                    Agreed. I bought a Corsair keyboard about a month ago. I actually use the backlighting, but its set to a constant medium blue color that makes it easier for me to see. I wanted to program one key on the keyboard to enter a rather long password I use. Their software has no documentation, no list of which keys may be defined, and why you can't use modifier keys (shift/ctrl/alt/win) when defining keypresses. There's also no definition of the difference between "Key assignments" and "Hardware key assignments". The 'profiles' feature seems overkill, and the stupid thing switches from one to another uncontrollably. I deleted all the profiles excepts a single one in the keyboard itself. I then convinced it to program the Scroll Lock to type the password... into Notepad. It wouldn't work in the app I needed it for. It wouldn't work in a command prompt window. It stopped working when I exited the iCue application. When I started the app up, it knew nothing about the definition I'd created. When I submitted a problem report to Corsair, they referred me to a YouTube video by some gamer twit reviewing the keyboard. That was the extent of their customer support. Don't get me wrong - it's a great piece of hardware. Good quality Cherry keyswitches, nice feel. One oddity is that the shift symbols are below the unshifted symbols on the keytops, instead of the reverse.

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                      I second the idea of two mice. Keep the accurate mouse in reserve and it will outlive its drivers. If you are using optical and need that level of resolution, then the surface/mousepad texture must make a huge difference.

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                      It is a possibility but changing mouse resolutions is unpleasant. I find it changes my eye to hand coordination. For the moment I’m debating between using the Corsair as a corded mouse or throwing another 60$ or so on a Logitech G305.

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                        Mircea Neacsu wrote:

                        Biggest problem is the ridiculously short battery life: about a week on average and that's without the fancy RGB lightning

                        DAMN!!! Ye man, get yourself a cheap logitech mouse, I have an old Logitech mouse M510, I don't remember the last time I changed batteries (it uses 2 AA batteries) It's quite symmetric (couple of buttons on the left side that I never used) so can probably be switch left/right.

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                        I have a Logitech MK710 Keyboard / Mouse combo, and it works very well. My old MK700 / 710 combo had the keyboard last a couple years on a single set of batteries, and the mouse roughly the same (I did turn it off when I wasn't using it). I can't use it currently, as I use my computer while on a sofa in my Living Room, and the signal can't go through my legs (the mouse is on my right side next to the back of the sofa, and the computer is to my left).

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                          RedDk wrote:

                          I can sympathize with the Corsair iCUE interface myself

                          Agreed. I bought a Corsair keyboard about a month ago. I actually use the backlighting, but its set to a constant medium blue color that makes it easier for me to see. I wanted to program one key on the keyboard to enter a rather long password I use. Their software has no documentation, no list of which keys may be defined, and why you can't use modifier keys (shift/ctrl/alt/win) when defining keypresses. There's also no definition of the difference between "Key assignments" and "Hardware key assignments". The 'profiles' feature seems overkill, and the stupid thing switches from one to another uncontrollably. I deleted all the profiles excepts a single one in the keyboard itself. I then convinced it to program the Scroll Lock to type the password... into Notepad. It wouldn't work in the app I needed it for. It wouldn't work in a command prompt window. It stopped working when I exited the iCue application. When I started the app up, it knew nothing about the definition I'd created. When I submitted a problem report to Corsair, they referred me to a YouTube video by some gamer twit reviewing the keyboard. That was the extent of their customer support. Don't get me wrong - it's a great piece of hardware. Good quality Cherry keyswitches, nice feel. One oddity is that the shift symbols are below the unshifted symbols on the keytops, instead of the reverse.

                          Software Zen: delete this;

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                          Memtha
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                          Corsair macro software is the best I've ever used. Out of the two. Because the other one BSoDs when any keystroke is used (saitek). Seriously though, I am annoyed that I paid for the corsair keyboard with 18 extra programmable keys, and they only seem to work in notepad. And of course, there's no linux version.

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                          • Mircea NeacsuM Mircea Neacsu

                            My turn to rant ... A couple of months ago, lulled by positive reviews like this[^], I got myself a Corsair Harpoon mouse, may its name live in infamy! This is nothing like what I've expected. Biggest problem is the ridiculously short battery life: about a week on average and that's without the fancy RGB lightning. I was used to Microsoft mice where I would recharge batteries once every 6 months or less and now I'm stuck with this thing that dies on me every other week. To add insult to injury, the software that comes with it is atrocious. All fancy-schmancy UI but every other day it says the device is not available and it cannot show me the battery level. I have to restart the frigging UI to find the mouse again. Besides the battery level is available only when using the RF dongle, not in Bluetooth mode. That occupies another USB port on my hub. In short, this is not a wireless mouse. It is a wired mouse that can occasionally be disconnected. bleah... [end of rant] Can someone recommend a mouse that (in order of importance): - is ambidextrous. I alternate between my hands to avoid RSI. - has a good (maybe gaming level) resolution. I occasionally do PCB design and other CAD work. - is wireless. Heck, we are in 21st century! - doesn't break the bank

                            Mircea

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                            Rage
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                            I would recommend an Evoluent mouse, even if it breaks all of your requirements :-D Evoluent VerticalMouse Vertical Mouse ergonomic mouse ergonomic computer mouse carpal tunnel syndrome repetitive stress disorder RSI[^] - Alternating is not necessary anymore, because the vertical position is not causing RSI - This mouse literally got me rid of the carpal tunnel syndrome I suffered from before using it. - Resolution is higher than you will ever need, and I am the kind of guy doing pixel-precise screenshots. - You can choose wireless, but I prefer hard wired for everything - a cable is reliable, and I have not had any problem with cables lying around on my desk. - Cheap is expensive -> I bought my Evoluent mouse in ... 2005, it still works like a charm. /edit: I must add that they had a wonderful customer support back then -> the hardware chip interpreting the scroll wheel signal bugged after about three years usage, and after I notified them about it, they ... sent me a brand new mouse from the US as a replacement with an apology for the problem ! Cannot judge whether this is still valid nowadays, since I experienced no problem with the mouse since then, but this was truly unexpected for an item out of warranty time :thumbsup:

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                            • Mircea NeacsuM Mircea Neacsu

                              My turn to rant ... A couple of months ago, lulled by positive reviews like this[^], I got myself a Corsair Harpoon mouse, may its name live in infamy! This is nothing like what I've expected. Biggest problem is the ridiculously short battery life: about a week on average and that's without the fancy RGB lightning. I was used to Microsoft mice where I would recharge batteries once every 6 months or less and now I'm stuck with this thing that dies on me every other week. To add insult to injury, the software that comes with it is atrocious. All fancy-schmancy UI but every other day it says the device is not available and it cannot show me the battery level. I have to restart the frigging UI to find the mouse again. Besides the battery level is available only when using the RF dongle, not in Bluetooth mode. That occupies another USB port on my hub. In short, this is not a wireless mouse. It is a wired mouse that can occasionally be disconnected. bleah... [end of rant] Can someone recommend a mouse that (in order of importance): - is ambidextrous. I alternate between my hands to avoid RSI. - has a good (maybe gaming level) resolution. I occasionally do PCB design and other CAD work. - is wireless. Heck, we are in 21st century! - doesn't break the bank

                              Mircea

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                              You have my sympathy. I too have lost a lot of time/patience/hair to mice. I have RSI and, from my experience, a good ambidextrous wireless mouse that is also not too expensive and durable is hard to find. I did not had any luck with that yet. My previous one did not last to the end of the warranty. My solution, that I currently employ, is to have a mouse for all the fast work and a pen tablet for the precision work. And keep alternating between the two. The mouse I use is a logitech mx master 3 (right hand only). I have it for a few months and haven't charged it since I bought it (November, I think). There is software to configure it in Linux if you need. The pen tablet is a wired Wacom Bamboo Fun (CTE-650) but I think there were wireless versions back when I bought it (2007 maybe?!). Like the mouse, it has software to configure in Linux. Configuring the buttons on the tablet to zoom in/out makes life easier. I can not say anything about the software for windows because I work only in Linux but it used to be good on windows 7 (for the pen tablet) and did not get on the way of work. Regarding battery life, depending on what amount you refer to with "breaking the bank", there are wireless mice that have the charger in the mouse pad so, as long as the mouse is on top and almost centered on the mouse pad, it will charge even when you are using it. Probably you will not find one that is ambidextrous. Good luck.

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                              • Mircea NeacsuM Mircea Neacsu

                                My turn to rant ... A couple of months ago, lulled by positive reviews like this[^], I got myself a Corsair Harpoon mouse, may its name live in infamy! This is nothing like what I've expected. Biggest problem is the ridiculously short battery life: about a week on average and that's without the fancy RGB lightning. I was used to Microsoft mice where I would recharge batteries once every 6 months or less and now I'm stuck with this thing that dies on me every other week. To add insult to injury, the software that comes with it is atrocious. All fancy-schmancy UI but every other day it says the device is not available and it cannot show me the battery level. I have to restart the frigging UI to find the mouse again. Besides the battery level is available only when using the RF dongle, not in Bluetooth mode. That occupies another USB port on my hub. In short, this is not a wireless mouse. It is a wired mouse that can occasionally be disconnected. bleah... [end of rant] Can someone recommend a mouse that (in order of importance): - is ambidextrous. I alternate between my hands to avoid RSI. - has a good (maybe gaming level) resolution. I occasionally do PCB design and other CAD work. - is wireless. Heck, we are in 21st century! - doesn't break the bank

                                Mircea

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                                Maximilien
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                                Fun thing happened today. My mouse batteries just died!! :rolleyes:

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                                  Fun thing happened today. My mouse batteries just died!! :rolleyes:

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                                  Yeah, that must be fun! Doubly so when you have a deadline coming up :rolleyes:

                                  Mircea

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                                  • Mircea NeacsuM Mircea Neacsu

                                    honey the codewitch wrote:

                                    if you gets one without a rechargeable feature - like it takes AA batteries - it will last longer.

                                    You are probably right but I don't see why. I used to put 2 NiMH rechargeables in my Microsoft mouse and they would last 6 months. Why the frigging LiIon-s can't do it.

                                    honey the codewitch wrote:

                                    Cheap ones aren't very accurate

                                    That's a problem. For any CAD work I need to be somewhere between 2000 and 5000 dpi if I want to work comfortably. Otherwise I need to zoom to tremendous scales to hit something. Looks like I have to wait for the 22nd century for a decent mouse. :laugh: Edit:

                                    honey the codewitch wrote:

                                    If you CAD at your desk you may consider getting a wired gaming mouse

                                    Unfortunately it looks like that :(

                                    Mircea

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                                    Have Logitech M215 mouse and K360 keyboard. amazing battery life and uses standard AA batteries Standard batteries are the way to go. Mouse accuracy is very good. Uses Logitech wireless USB receiver for both mouse and keyboard

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                                    • Mircea NeacsuM Mircea Neacsu

                                      My turn to rant ... A couple of months ago, lulled by positive reviews like this[^], I got myself a Corsair Harpoon mouse, may its name live in infamy! This is nothing like what I've expected. Biggest problem is the ridiculously short battery life: about a week on average and that's without the fancy RGB lightning. I was used to Microsoft mice where I would recharge batteries once every 6 months or less and now I'm stuck with this thing that dies on me every other week. To add insult to injury, the software that comes with it is atrocious. All fancy-schmancy UI but every other day it says the device is not available and it cannot show me the battery level. I have to restart the frigging UI to find the mouse again. Besides the battery level is available only when using the RF dongle, not in Bluetooth mode. That occupies another USB port on my hub. In short, this is not a wireless mouse. It is a wired mouse that can occasionally be disconnected. bleah... [end of rant] Can someone recommend a mouse that (in order of importance): - is ambidextrous. I alternate between my hands to avoid RSI. - has a good (maybe gaming level) resolution. I occasionally do PCB design and other CAD work. - is wireless. Heck, we are in 21st century! - doesn't break the bank

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                                      I would say this one: https://www.logitech.com/en-us/products/mice/mx-anywhere-3-for-business.910-006215.html[^] Hope this helps. :)

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                                        I would say this one: https://www.logitech.com/en-us/products/mice/mx-anywhere-3-for-business.910-006215.html[^] Hope this helps. :)

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                                        I might try it. Thanks for the tip.

                                        Mircea

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                                        • Mircea NeacsuM Mircea Neacsu

                                          My turn to rant ... A couple of months ago, lulled by positive reviews like this[^], I got myself a Corsair Harpoon mouse, may its name live in infamy! This is nothing like what I've expected. Biggest problem is the ridiculously short battery life: about a week on average and that's without the fancy RGB lightning. I was used to Microsoft mice where I would recharge batteries once every 6 months or less and now I'm stuck with this thing that dies on me every other week. To add insult to injury, the software that comes with it is atrocious. All fancy-schmancy UI but every other day it says the device is not available and it cannot show me the battery level. I have to restart the frigging UI to find the mouse again. Besides the battery level is available only when using the RF dongle, not in Bluetooth mode. That occupies another USB port on my hub. In short, this is not a wireless mouse. It is a wired mouse that can occasionally be disconnected. bleah... [end of rant] Can someone recommend a mouse that (in order of importance): - is ambidextrous. I alternate between my hands to avoid RSI. - has a good (maybe gaming level) resolution. I occasionally do PCB design and other CAD work. - is wireless. Heck, we are in 21st century! - doesn't break the bank

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                                          Mircea Neacsu wrote:

                                          his is nothing like what I've expected. Biggest problem is the ridiculously short battery life: about a week on average and that's without the fancy RGB lightning.

                                          Appears to be up to spec since this is exactly what the following says. https://www.ign.com/articles/2019/08/19/corsair-harpoon-rgb-wireless-gaming-mouse[^] I presume you stop using the mouse and computer at some point in the day. Why not just plug it in? I use a wireless mouse that takes actual batteries. I change them once a year because I change the batteries in everything that often. Never had a problem. It is a M510 mouse from Logitech. I switch hands back and forth for the same reason you mentioned.

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