Single Board PC's for Windows IOT
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I have a Pi 4 and running Windows 10 for the past 6 months without any problems. :-D To get Windows 10 on there was a lot of work. Downloading the ISO, up-packing it, removing incompatible parts, etc. :omg:
Much easier now using WoR-Flasher. See here: Finally Install Windows 11 On The Raspberry Pi 4 NO PC REQUIRED! - YouTube[^] It will install either Windows 10 or 11, without needing a separate computer.
The cure to boredom is curiosity. There is no cure for curiosity. -- Dorothy Parker
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oh ok, i was gonna say something like a intel compute stick, but would need to usb dongle convert a bunch of things off it.
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I want to upgrade some hardware and one of my requirements is to include a panel mounted touch screen PC for the machine control. Such PC's are advertised as just a base unit and one with 4Gb of Ram and an Atom processor costs over £800. If I want something with a more powerful processor there is a huge price hike and they start at £1800 - both options include Windows 10 IOT in the price. I see there are quite a few single board Windows PC's such as the SEEED Odyssey with Windows 10 Pro [^] costing approx £210 or a Latte Panda with Windows 10 Home[^] at £109. (Amazingly, both of these PC's also include an embedded Arduino with all of its I/O but I don't need this). On paper either would do the job and I am considering giving them a try and see what the pitfalls are. I am thinking that as Windows 10 IOT is specific for machine control and Edge devices I should install that instead of the supplied W10 Pro or Home. It has to be Windows OS and sadly the new Raspberry Pi's no longer offer Windows as an OS. Has anyone been down the route and if so have you any comments on either the hardware or which OS to use?
While Raspberry Pi Imager doesn't support a Windows install, there is now GitHub - Botspot/wor-flasher: Legal utility that runs on RPiOS to flash another SD card with Windows 10/11[^] . Check this video: Finally Install Windows 11 On The Raspberry Pi 4 NO PC REQUIRED! - YouTube[^]. Works great!
The cure to boredom is curiosity. There is no cure for curiosity. -- Dorothy Parker
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I want to upgrade some hardware and one of my requirements is to include a panel mounted touch screen PC for the machine control. Such PC's are advertised as just a base unit and one with 4Gb of Ram and an Atom processor costs over £800. If I want something with a more powerful processor there is a huge price hike and they start at £1800 - both options include Windows 10 IOT in the price. I see there are quite a few single board Windows PC's such as the SEEED Odyssey with Windows 10 Pro [^] costing approx £210 or a Latte Panda with Windows 10 Home[^] at £109. (Amazingly, both of these PC's also include an embedded Arduino with all of its I/O but I don't need this). On paper either would do the job and I am considering giving them a try and see what the pitfalls are. I am thinking that as Windows 10 IOT is specific for machine control and Edge devices I should install that instead of the supplied W10 Pro or Home. It has to be Windows OS and sadly the new Raspberry Pi's no longer offer Windows as an OS. Has anyone been down the route and if so have you any comments on either the hardware or which OS to use?
how about some of the PC104 rugged units, they should last quite a long time, many of them support windows 10
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I want to upgrade some hardware and one of my requirements is to include a panel mounted touch screen PC for the machine control. Such PC's are advertised as just a base unit and one with 4Gb of Ram and an Atom processor costs over £800. If I want something with a more powerful processor there is a huge price hike and they start at £1800 - both options include Windows 10 IOT in the price. I see there are quite a few single board Windows PC's such as the SEEED Odyssey with Windows 10 Pro [^] costing approx £210 or a Latte Panda with Windows 10 Home[^] at £109. (Amazingly, both of these PC's also include an embedded Arduino with all of its I/O but I don't need this). On paper either would do the job and I am considering giving them a try and see what the pitfalls are. I am thinking that as Windows 10 IOT is specific for machine control and Edge devices I should install that instead of the supplied W10 Pro or Home. It has to be Windows OS and sadly the new Raspberry Pi's no longer offer Windows as an OS. Has anyone been down the route and if so have you any comments on either the hardware or which OS to use?
I had had a similar need. I really liked the Lenovo M75N IOT, but they have been difficult to get, so we've been using the Quieter2 from MeLE. It's about $260 from Amazon, has no moving parts, can run Windows 11 (it comes with a Windows 11 pro license, but I've installed Windows 10 Pro and it still activates). Getting the drivers for Windows 10 was a little annoying, but so far we've been really happy with how they've run. Because the storage is EMM, I would recommend getting a M.2 SSD and installing Windows on that, but it's probably not totally necessary. I have six of these currently running in an industrial application connected to a Touchscreen, barcode scanner, and a [Omron] PLC via a USB to Serial adaptor.
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Thanks very much :thumbsup:. It is an issue because it is not officially supported :sigh: so I cannot expect a service technician to re-install it if necessary.
The Micro-SD cards are so cheap, you can have several setups with Windows and the apps you need. Just make sure you have backups of your data. Mine has been running for over 6 months, never a crash.:cool: I still have 2 spares. Just don't expect the same performance as a 'real' PC.
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Is there any reason you can't use a PI3? The PI4 has more horsepower and memory, but unless you specifically need that, a PI3 may work.
If you can use the Pi3B that would work. I set up Windows 10 IoT Core on mine and loaded up a small UWP app on it using the official raspberry pi 7" touchscreen. It worked great. If not, here are the development boards that Microsoft recommends: Suggested Prototype Boards - Windows IoT | Microsoft Docs[^] Windows 11 IoT seems to be just enterprise only from what I gathered. I couldn't seem to find a non enterprise version like they did with 10. From what I remember with my small test app, it had to be a UWP app and I also installed Windows 10 IoT Core Dashboard app on my development machine. Integration and debugging with Visual Studio also worked well. Edit: For Windows IoT Enterprise (the newest one) here is the documentation page for hardware: SoCs and Custom Boards for Windows IoT Enterprise | Microsoft Docs[^] From there it seems like VIA Technologies provides both x86 and Arm boards: VIA Embedded Boards - Speed Up Your Development Time[^]
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I had had a similar need. I really liked the Lenovo M75N IOT, but they have been difficult to get, so we've been using the Quieter2 from MeLE. It's about $260 from Amazon, has no moving parts, can run Windows 11 (it comes with a Windows 11 pro license, but I've installed Windows 10 Pro and it still activates). Getting the drivers for Windows 10 was a little annoying, but so far we've been really happy with how they've run. Because the storage is EMM, I would recommend getting a M.2 SSD and installing Windows on that, but it's probably not totally necessary. I have six of these currently running in an industrial application connected to a Touchscreen, barcode scanner, and a [Omron] PLC via a USB to Serial adaptor.
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how about some of the PC104 rugged units, they should last quite a long time, many of them support windows 10
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While Raspberry Pi Imager doesn't support a Windows install, there is now GitHub - Botspot/wor-flasher: Legal utility that runs on RPiOS to flash another SD card with Windows 10/11[^] . Check this video: Finally Install Windows 11 On The Raspberry Pi 4 NO PC REQUIRED! - YouTube[^]. Works great!
The cure to boredom is curiosity. There is no cure for curiosity. -- Dorothy Parker
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If you can use the Pi3B that would work. I set up Windows 10 IoT Core on mine and loaded up a small UWP app on it using the official raspberry pi 7" touchscreen. It worked great. If not, here are the development boards that Microsoft recommends: Suggested Prototype Boards - Windows IoT | Microsoft Docs[^] Windows 11 IoT seems to be just enterprise only from what I gathered. I couldn't seem to find a non enterprise version like they did with 10. From what I remember with my small test app, it had to be a UWP app and I also installed Windows 10 IoT Core Dashboard app on my development machine. Integration and debugging with Visual Studio also worked well. Edit: For Windows IoT Enterprise (the newest one) here is the documentation page for hardware: SoCs and Custom Boards for Windows IoT Enterprise | Microsoft Docs[^] From there it seems like VIA Technologies provides both x86 and Arm boards: VIA Embedded Boards - Speed Up Your Development Time[^]
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Thanks, I have a Pi 4 and a son who is at a lose end, I will get him to try this. The slight issue is that if it not officially supported we cannot use it in the actual machine but I do appreciate the links.
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I want to upgrade some hardware and one of my requirements is to include a panel mounted touch screen PC for the machine control. Such PC's are advertised as just a base unit and one with 4Gb of Ram and an Atom processor costs over £800. If I want something with a more powerful processor there is a huge price hike and they start at £1800 - both options include Windows 10 IOT in the price. I see there are quite a few single board Windows PC's such as the SEEED Odyssey with Windows 10 Pro [^] costing approx £210 or a Latte Panda with Windows 10 Home[^] at £109. (Amazingly, both of these PC's also include an embedded Arduino with all of its I/O but I don't need this). On paper either would do the job and I am considering giving them a try and see what the pitfalls are. I am thinking that as Windows 10 IOT is specific for machine control and Edge devices I should install that instead of the supplied W10 Pro or Home. It has to be Windows OS and sadly the new Raspberry Pi's no longer offer Windows as an OS. Has anyone been down the route and if so have you any comments on either the hardware or which OS to use?
I use a fanless ITX board with onboard processor with Win10 for Excel development and application maintaining: 4x2GHz and 8GB Ram with a used SSD. To keep it cheap I use a pico power supply - consider how much power you need. Here the sources from my notes (2019):
board 4x2,08GHz 50€
https://www.ebay.de/itm/Mitac-PD14RI-D-N3150-Intel-D2500HN2-Mini-ITX-Mainboard-Motherboard-FANLESS-/401438905676?hash=item5d779f954c-
8GB DDR3 53€
https://www.mindfactory.de/product\_info.php/8GB-Kingston-ValueRAM-DDR3-1333-DIMM-CL9-Single\_800875.html -
Pico 28€
https://www.ebay.de/itm/picoPSU-80-DC-DC-80-Watt/162499959144?hash=item25d5c09968:g:TYIAAOSwjL5ZCEwq -
externes 12V Netzteil (60W) 8,39€
https://www.ebay.de/itm/Netzteil-60W-12V-5A-fur-LCD-TFT-Monitor-LED-Strips-NAS-Festplatten-Pico-PSU/292553664098?hash=item441d8ea662:g:ZxkAAOSwMNVa8D5a
https://www.ebay.de/i/292553664098?ul\_noapp=true
today, compare the prices! US vs. EU/FRG Shop by Category | eBay[^] and Einkaufen nach Kategorie | eBay Deutschland[^]
cwp42
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I use a fanless ITX board with onboard processor with Win10 for Excel development and application maintaining: 4x2GHz and 8GB Ram with a used SSD. To keep it cheap I use a pico power supply - consider how much power you need. Here the sources from my notes (2019):
board 4x2,08GHz 50€
https://www.ebay.de/itm/Mitac-PD14RI-D-N3150-Intel-D2500HN2-Mini-ITX-Mainboard-Motherboard-FANLESS-/401438905676?hash=item5d779f954c-
8GB DDR3 53€
https://www.mindfactory.de/product\_info.php/8GB-Kingston-ValueRAM-DDR3-1333-DIMM-CL9-Single\_800875.html -
Pico 28€
https://www.ebay.de/itm/picoPSU-80-DC-DC-80-Watt/162499959144?hash=item25d5c09968:g:TYIAAOSwjL5ZCEwq -
externes 12V Netzteil (60W) 8,39€
https://www.ebay.de/itm/Netzteil-60W-12V-5A-fur-LCD-TFT-Monitor-LED-Strips-NAS-Festplatten-Pico-PSU/292553664098?hash=item441d8ea662:g:ZxkAAOSwMNVa8D5a
https://www.ebay.de/i/292553664098?ul\_noapp=true
today, compare the prices! US vs. EU/FRG Shop by Category | eBay[^] and Einkaufen nach Kategorie | eBay Deutschland[^]
cwp42
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