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  • O obermd

    Given that Russia is now bombing Kyiv, I fully understand the concern. As for how it came to this, Putin stated a couple of decades ago that the fall and breakup of the Soviet Union was the worst geopolitical disaster to occur in the 20th century.

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    honey the codewitch
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    I don't mean Putin's motivations. He's something of a known quantity. But he didn't just decide to invade one day. This didn't happen in a vacuum. In my opinion, the US particularly - though not alone - dropped the ball, and Putin saw weakness, and an opportunity.

    To err is human. Fortune favors the monsters.

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    • H honey the codewitch

      I disagree with that. He didn't just one day decide to invade. Putin invaded because of what transpired in the US and the west more largely over the past several years. He was feeling his oats.

      To err is human. Fortune favors the monsters.

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      Ravi Bhavnani
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      honey the codewitch wrote:

      He didn't just one day decide to invade.

      Of course not.  It's been brewing for several years.  See: Russo-Ukrainian War - Wikipedia[^] /ravi

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        honey the codewitch wrote:

        He didn't just one day decide to invade.

        Of course not.  It's been brewing for several years.  See: Russo-Ukrainian War - Wikipedia[^] /ravi

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        honey the codewitch
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        Yeah, and he saw his opportunity, and he took it.

        To err is human. Fortune favors the monsters.

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        • H honey the codewitch

          We convinced Ukraine to give up their nukes in exchange for protection. Ukraine has acted in good faith toward the west, being democratic, following the rules for joining NATO, and honoring their agreements. We're morally obligated to honor ours. That's all I'm going to say about this.

          To err is human. Fortune favors the monsters.

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          Memtha
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          [Ukraine also agreed to allow the Eastern provinces to succeed and hold independent elections, causing riots at the time.](https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-49903996) If that were allowed to happen, the new nation formed thereby would probably accept the Russian troop movements, they are historically very pro-Russian. But no, Kiev wants the US to be their mercenaries to hold these provinces by force. They are leveraging the US's promise so they don't have to keep their own. There's a reason Ukraine hasn't been allowed to join NATO yet.

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          • H honey the codewitch

            A few hours ago, someone posted on the fallout 4 subreddit. he was posting from Kyiv. This wasn't a post about the game, to be clear. He was talking about jumping when snow fell from his neighbor's window. He's talking about stockpiling potable water, which can also be used to shelter from gunfire. This brought the war home for me in a way that reading about it elsewhere hasn't. I can't even wrap my head around it. There was a time when my country wouldn't have let something like this happen, but apparently we aren't at that place anymore. How in the hell did it come to this? (rhetorical, i don't want to engage in petty politics on this)

            To err is human. Fortune favors the monsters.

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            0x01AA
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            It's embarrassing: The only thing the rest of Europe is bothering about is that the russian gas delivery is not interrupted... shame on us!

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            • H honey the codewitch

              A few hours ago, someone posted on the fallout 4 subreddit. he was posting from Kyiv. This wasn't a post about the game, to be clear. He was talking about jumping when snow fell from his neighbor's window. He's talking about stockpiling potable water, which can also be used to shelter from gunfire. This brought the war home for me in a way that reading about it elsewhere hasn't. I can't even wrap my head around it. There was a time when my country wouldn't have let something like this happen, but apparently we aren't at that place anymore. How in the hell did it come to this? (rhetorical, i don't want to engage in petty politics on this)

              To err is human. Fortune favors the monsters.

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              Chris Maunder
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              We have a team in Ukraine and we've not heard from them at all. I'm sure they're fine, and extremely distracted right now. At least we hope. This whole thing, from start to finish, on all sides, is just so deeply sad.

              cheers Chris Maunder

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                We have a team in Ukraine and we've not heard from them at all. I'm sure they're fine, and extremely distracted right now. At least we hope. This whole thing, from start to finish, on all sides, is just so deeply sad.

                cheers Chris Maunder

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                Slacker007
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                I have a developer on my team who she and her husband are from Ukraine. They have family and friends there. Not entirely sure how she is able to work right now, under so much stress. I told her to take some time off (she has the days) but she does not want to. Interesting times for sure.

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                • C Chris Maunder

                  We have a team in Ukraine and we've not heard from them at all. I'm sure they're fine, and extremely distracted right now. At least we hope. This whole thing, from start to finish, on all sides, is just so deeply sad.

                  cheers Chris Maunder

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                  honey the codewitch
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                  Oh man, I hope they are okay. :(

                  To err is human. Fortune favors the monsters.

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                  • H honey the codewitch

                    We convinced Ukraine to give up their nukes in exchange for protection. Ukraine has acted in good faith toward the west, being democratic, following the rules for joining NATO, and honoring their agreements. We're morally obligated to honor ours. That's all I'm going to say about this.

                    To err is human. Fortune favors the monsters.

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                    DrWalter PE
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                    I agree 100%

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                    • H honey the codewitch

                      A few hours ago, someone posted on the fallout 4 subreddit. he was posting from Kyiv. This wasn't a post about the game, to be clear. He was talking about jumping when snow fell from his neighbor's window. He's talking about stockpiling potable water, which can also be used to shelter from gunfire. This brought the war home for me in a way that reading about it elsewhere hasn't. I can't even wrap my head around it. There was a time when my country wouldn't have let something like this happen, but apparently we aren't at that place anymore. How in the hell did it come to this? (rhetorical, i don't want to engage in petty politics on this)

                      To err is human. Fortune favors the monsters.

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                      DrWalter PE
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                      Not politics, but it seemsto me that there is a general apathy about the plight of other countries and an attitude that 'it doesn't affect us, since it's so far away. Thhe same thing happened at the start of World War 2, but we collectively seem to have chosen to forget. I'm also worried about my friends in Kiev (or Kyiv). Greetings, Walt

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