Agile is Killing Development From the Inside

realJSOP

Agile and the Long Crisis of Software[^] I've always said agile isn't a way to manage development - it's a way to manage developers. It's about the corporate bottom line, not the quality of the software.

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lmoelleb

What is better?

Slacker007

There is no better way to do it. What I mean by that is, agile is shite, but there is not current better alternative that takes into equal consideration for both profit and quality. It comes down to profit versus quality. profit will always win. quality will always lose.

realJSOP

Slacker007 wrote:

It comes down to profit versus quality. profit will always win. quality will always lose.

Yup "velocity" kills quality. Every time. Our shop hasn't completed all stories in a sprint since last february. I would guess that 99% of the reason is our crappy infrastructure, such as sys admins apply STIGs that result in our code breaking, ETL code that fails at the "E" part because our either our providers change something without telling us, or the fore-mentioned infrastructure or STIG issues. Add to that list of problems that we don't have a configuration manager to wrangle proper use of TFS or deployments, and we're stuck in the "Ops" part of DevOps to the extent that actual development comes in a distant second (or third) place. Most of our infrastructure problems are the direct result of moving our dev environment to the cloud. For me, at my current job, Agile/Scrum quite frankly sucks balls, and I will never advocate or its use.

".45 ACP - because shooting twice is just silly" - JSOP, 2010
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You can never have too much ammo - unless you're swimming, or on fire. - JSOP, 2010
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When you pry the gun from my cold dead hands, be careful - the barrel will be very hot. - JSOP, 2013

lmoelleb

Why are these problems related to agile?

Greg Utas

If profit doesn't win, the business soon closes unless it can count on continual subsidies, bailouts, gullible angel investors, or 2% debt refinancing. Hmm, maybe I just disproved my point.... For much of my career, I worked on products (telecom call servers) where customers demanded quality. You needed a certain level of quality just to be in that market, and if your quality dropped, so did the number of contracts that you landed. Up to a point, quality trumped schedule, content, and price.

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realJSOP

They're related to our particular implementation of agile. Agile does not fit well with our environment. Beyond that, I've never been on an agile team where quality was the most important factor. It's always speed of development because of the corporate bottom line. This results in "hurry-up" code that, while it works, is a bunch of poorly thought-out implementations of "well, it works" code. We never have the opportunity to revisit this code despite the fact that we have tech debt stories specifically to do so. Tech debt is always lowest priority, because ease of maintenance doesn't translate to up-time for management because it takes too long to do. I refuse to work like that, and I'm always getting grief from the stake holders, despite the fact that my code is the least revisited on the team, and when it is, it's easy to modify because I believe that code should be less complex the closer you are to the UI, and all of my new feature code is written that way. It takes a little longer up front, but maintenance time is significantly reduced.

".45 ACP - because shooting twice is just silly" - JSOP, 2010
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You can never have too much ammo - unless you're swimming, or on fire. - JSOP, 2010
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When you pry the gun from my cold dead hands, be careful - the barrel will be very hot. - JSOP, 2013

realJSOP

Greg Utas wrote:

Up to a point, quality trumped schedule, content, and price.

Finding the balance is the hard part, but it's almost never found, or even searched for.

".45 ACP - because shooting twice is just silly" - JSOP, 2010
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You can never have too much ammo - unless you're swimming, or on fire. - JSOP, 2010
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When you pry the gun from my cold dead hands, be careful - the barrel will be very hot. - JSOP, 2013

lmoelleb

This is just standard incompetence you describe. Nothing is due to agile, but you clearly have some people in positions they should not be in.Quality/features will always be prioritized differently between organizations, but there will always be a balance. Agile does not say where that balance should be.

realJSOP

lmoelleb wrote:

This is just standard incompetence you describe...you clearly have some people in positions they should not be in

I don't know if you're aware, but I work as a government contractor, so... yeah. :/

".45 ACP - because shooting twice is just silly" - JSOP, 2010
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You can never have too much ammo - unless you're swimming, or on fire. - JSOP, 2010
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When you pry the gun from my cold dead hands, be careful - the barrel will be very hot. - JSOP, 2013

realJSOP

FWIW, I was working after hours and on weekends to take care of some of the technical debt "under the radar", but they put a stop to that by turning off the entire dev environment on weekends/holidays to save money, and for devs that are on leave for more than one day at a time, they turn off their dev boxes - again, to save money. If they're so damn worried about money, you'd think they would be worried about the technical debt.

".45 ACP - because shooting twice is just silly" - JSOP, 2010
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You can never have too much ammo - unless you're swimming, or on fire. - JSOP, 2010
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When you pry the gun from my cold dead hands, be careful - the barrel will be very hot. - JSOP, 2013

PIEBALDconsult

Yes indeed. But "Agile" is a broad term, not a well-defined strategy. And most managers don't realize that -- because most bloggers don't write that. Bloggers (bloggarts?) only reiterate that Agile is the Holy Grail and things domino inevitably from there. I still can't convince my boss that we've been Agile from the start and that trying to use Scrum would slow us down. I have never been on a project which wasn't already Agile and which would have benefited from using Scrum.

lmoelleb

Oh sorry, then it is indeed a requirement to have incompetence in key positions. In the private sector it can be avoided.... now and then. :)

rnbergren

They turn off machines on nights and weekends to save what $2. Heck they lost more time/money trying to figure out where to save money than actual money they freakin saved? What the what!

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Marc Clifton

The Agile Manifesto should also include "Quality Determines Profit" ;P

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Kent Sharkey

Thanks for posting this. I was getting bored reading it yesterday. I'm glad someone else got through it to decide it was worthy. :thumbsup:

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Before one can do a sprint, one should have an raw/rough overview of the route. Only my two cents.

PIEBALDconsult

Never begin a sprint when hurdles are in place.

lmoelleb

It does include "Working software" :)

realJSOP

"Working" software doesn't necessarily translate to "quality" software, or even "usable" software. In point of fact, it almost never translates to those things.

".45 ACP - because shooting twice is just silly" - JSOP, 2010
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You can never have too much ammo - unless you're swimming, or on fire. - JSOP, 2010
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When you pry the gun from my cold dead hands, be careful - the barrel will be very hot. - JSOP, 2013