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  • S Shmoken99

    ... and all humans? When I pay a bill on line I have to enter my account number. The invoice I received shows this account number in a 4pt font as: 10000000002987421000331 or something ridiculously long with no breaks and an indeterminate number of zeros stuck in just for funsies. Sometimes there are alpha characters that include the letters "I" and "O" to guarantee I can't get it right on the first try. For the love of Dog, and my failing eye sight, could you please break this up into 3 or 4 character sequences, and drop all the 0s out? And if you allow "I" and "O" into the mix, could you please find some other form of work where your clients enjoy being tortured? Oh, and stop using 4pt fonts, too. As I struggle to enter my account number I assuage my frustration by imagining which of the circles Dante would put you in.

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    Marc Clifton
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    There are times I've taken a picture of a document on my phone, slopped it over to my PC, and zoomed in 1000% to make sure I've read the numbers / letters correctly. :rolleyes:

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      There are times I've taken a picture of a document on my phone, slopped it over to my PC, and zoomed in 1000% to make sure I've read the numbers / letters correctly. :rolleyes:

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      jeron1
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      These days I do something similar to read menus at restaurants.

      "the debugger doesn't tell me anything because this code compiles just fine" - random QA comment "Facebook is where you tell lies to your friends. Twitter is where you tell the truth to strangers." - chriselst "I don't drink any more... then again, I don't drink any less." - Mike Mullikins uncle

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      • S Shmoken99

        ... and all humans? When I pay a bill on line I have to enter my account number. The invoice I received shows this account number in a 4pt font as: 10000000002987421000331 or something ridiculously long with no breaks and an indeterminate number of zeros stuck in just for funsies. Sometimes there are alpha characters that include the letters "I" and "O" to guarantee I can't get it right on the first try. For the love of Dog, and my failing eye sight, could you please break this up into 3 or 4 character sequences, and drop all the 0s out? And if you allow "I" and "O" into the mix, could you please find some other form of work where your clients enjoy being tortured? Oh, and stop using 4pt fonts, too. As I struggle to enter my account number I assuage my frustration by imagining which of the circles Dante would put you in.

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        Forogar
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        My wife was a dental hygienist and has these glasses with built-in magnifiers. I have to borrow them sometimes to see this stuff!

        - I would love to change the world, but they won’t give me the source code.

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          These days I do something similar to read menus at restaurants.

          "the debugger doesn't tell me anything because this code compiles just fine" - random QA comment "Facebook is where you tell lies to your friends. Twitter is where you tell the truth to strangers." - chriselst "I don't drink any more... then again, I don't drink any less." - Mike Mullikins uncle

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          CodeWraith
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          Goto Texas. There you still order blindly and don't have to read the fine print that may or may not reveal that you are actually ordering soy.

          I have lived with several Zen masters - all of them were cats. His last invention was an evil Lasagna. It didn't kill anyone, and it actually tasted pretty good.

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            Goto Texas. There you still order blindly and don't have to read the fine print that may or may not reveal that you are actually ordering soy.

            I have lived with several Zen masters - all of them were cats. His last invention was an evil Lasagna. It didn't kill anyone, and it actually tasted pretty good.

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            CodeWraith wrote:

            Texas....ordering soy

            Ordering soy, is that even legal in Texas, home of all things beef?

            "the debugger doesn't tell me anything because this code compiles just fine" - random QA comment "Facebook is where you tell lies to your friends. Twitter is where you tell the truth to strangers." - chriselst "I don't drink any more... then again, I don't drink any less." - Mike Mullikins uncle

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              Goto Texas. There you still order blindly and don't have to read the fine print that may or may not reveal that you are actually ordering soy.

              I have lived with several Zen masters - all of them were cats. His last invention was an evil Lasagna. It didn't kill anyone, and it actually tasted pretty good.

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              kmoorevs
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              Or goto any Waffle House where all you have to do is point to a picture and grunt. :laugh:

              "Go forth into the source" - Neal Morse "Hope is contagious"

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                My wife was a dental hygienist and has these glasses with built-in magnifiers. I have to borrow them sometimes to see this stuff!

                - I would love to change the world, but they won’t give me the source code.

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                Kevin Marois
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                � Forogar � wrote:

                My wife was a dental hygienist and has these glasses with built-in magnifiers

                ... ;) ;) ;) ;)

                If it's not broken, fix it until it is. Everything makes sense in someone's mind. Ya can't fix stupid.

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                • M Marc Clifton

                  There are times I've taken a picture of a document on my phone, slopped it over to my PC, and zoomed in 1000% to make sure I've read the numbers / letters correctly. :rolleyes:

                  Latest Article:
                  Create a Digital Ocean Droplet for .NET Core Web API with a real SSL Certificate on a Domain

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                  Yep - Windows 8 licensing keys.

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                  • S Shmoken99

                    ... and all humans? When I pay a bill on line I have to enter my account number. The invoice I received shows this account number in a 4pt font as: 10000000002987421000331 or something ridiculously long with no breaks and an indeterminate number of zeros stuck in just for funsies. Sometimes there are alpha characters that include the letters "I" and "O" to guarantee I can't get it right on the first try. For the love of Dog, and my failing eye sight, could you please break this up into 3 or 4 character sequences, and drop all the 0s out? And if you allow "I" and "O" into the mix, could you please find some other form of work where your clients enjoy being tortured? Oh, and stop using 4pt fonts, too. As I struggle to enter my account number I assuage my frustration by imagining which of the circles Dante would put you in.

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                    obermd
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                    And while you're at it programmers, insert breaks in credit card numbers. 16 digits is hard to accurately read in. For a perfect example of a best practice, go change something on a bitlocker protected device and boot it. As you enter the recovery key the entry field automatically adds hyphens to match the recovery key blocking.

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                    • S Shmoken99

                      ... and all humans? When I pay a bill on line I have to enter my account number. The invoice I received shows this account number in a 4pt font as: 10000000002987421000331 or something ridiculously long with no breaks and an indeterminate number of zeros stuck in just for funsies. Sometimes there are alpha characters that include the letters "I" and "O" to guarantee I can't get it right on the first try. For the love of Dog, and my failing eye sight, could you please break this up into 3 or 4 character sequences, and drop all the 0s out? And if you allow "I" and "O" into the mix, could you please find some other form of work where your clients enjoy being tortured? Oh, and stop using 4pt fonts, too. As I struggle to enter my account number I assuage my frustration by imagining which of the circles Dante would put you in.

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                      kmoorevs
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                      It's not us! You should blame the designers who insist that all that text must fit in that tiny space! My favorite at the moment is an annual report by month where each month is a column and should be displayed whether or not there is data. Of course, it needs a total column and enough room for a 50-char description. That's a long description column (variable at least) and 13 data columns that must fit on a landscape print. From experience, 8pt is the minimum depending on the expected size of data and formatting. :)

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                      • S Shmoken99

                        ... and all humans? When I pay a bill on line I have to enter my account number. The invoice I received shows this account number in a 4pt font as: 10000000002987421000331 or something ridiculously long with no breaks and an indeterminate number of zeros stuck in just for funsies. Sometimes there are alpha characters that include the letters "I" and "O" to guarantee I can't get it right on the first try. For the love of Dog, and my failing eye sight, could you please break this up into 3 or 4 character sequences, and drop all the 0s out? And if you allow "I" and "O" into the mix, could you please find some other form of work where your clients enjoy being tortured? Oh, and stop using 4pt fonts, too. As I struggle to enter my account number I assuage my frustration by imagining which of the circles Dante would put you in.

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                        It's not just programmers. There are also idiots who think people sign the back of credit cards in 8-point font.

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                        • S Shmoken99

                          ... and all humans? When I pay a bill on line I have to enter my account number. The invoice I received shows this account number in a 4pt font as: 10000000002987421000331 or something ridiculously long with no breaks and an indeterminate number of zeros stuck in just for funsies. Sometimes there are alpha characters that include the letters "I" and "O" to guarantee I can't get it right on the first try. For the love of Dog, and my failing eye sight, could you please break this up into 3 or 4 character sequences, and drop all the 0s out? And if you allow "I" and "O" into the mix, could you please find some other form of work where your clients enjoy being tortured? Oh, and stop using 4pt fonts, too. As I struggle to enter my account number I assuage my frustration by imagining which of the circles Dante would put you in.

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                          Sander Rossel
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                          We're running tests with 3pt font. The tortured screams currently coming from our dungeon test panel indicate positive test results :D Your "I" and "O" remark gave me ideas and I just added a victim user story on our backlog ;p

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                            Yep - Windows 8 licensing keys.

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                            dandy72
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                            ...on a faded out sticker, with the second half missing/ripped off altogether The few times I've had PCs that had this sticker at the back of it - I've taken pictures of them when the system was still new. Then it doesn't matter so much what happens to it over time...

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                            • Greg UtasG Greg Utas

                              It's not just programmers. There are also idiots who think people sign the back of credit cards in 8-point font.

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                              Greg Utas wrote:

                              There are also idiots who think people sign the back of credit cards in 8-point font.

                              You bother with that? It's not much of a security feature given that you can "sign" credit card transactions with little more than an X.

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                                Greg Utas wrote:

                                There are also idiots who think people sign the back of credit cards in 8-point font.

                                You bother with that? It's not much of a security feature given that you can "sign" credit card transactions with little more than an X.

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                                The most recent card I received can't even be signed, so maybe they're ending it now that cards have PINs. But I've had the signature checked in the past.

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                                • Greg UtasG Greg Utas

                                  The most recent card I received can't even be signed, so maybe they're ending it now that cards have PINs. But I've had the signature checked in the past.

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                                  I've stopped signing mine a few years back, after I read some story about a guy at a restaurant who was refused to complete a transaction (after signing the receipt for the meal) because there was no signature on the back of his card. So he then signed the back of the card, and the waiter then proceeded to compare the signature on the receipt with the one on the card...

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                                  • S Shmoken99

                                    ... and all humans? When I pay a bill on line I have to enter my account number. The invoice I received shows this account number in a 4pt font as: 10000000002987421000331 or something ridiculously long with no breaks and an indeterminate number of zeros stuck in just for funsies. Sometimes there are alpha characters that include the letters "I" and "O" to guarantee I can't get it right on the first try. For the love of Dog, and my failing eye sight, could you please break this up into 3 or 4 character sequences, and drop all the 0s out? And if you allow "I" and "O" into the mix, could you please find some other form of work where your clients enjoy being tortured? Oh, and stop using 4pt fonts, too. As I struggle to enter my account number I assuage my frustration by imagining which of the circles Dante would put you in.

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                                    Cp Coder
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                                    You're with the wrong bank. I have none of these issues with Bank of America. Their online website is great! :)

                                    Get me coffee and no one gets hurt!

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                                    • S Shmoken99

                                      ... and all humans? When I pay a bill on line I have to enter my account number. The invoice I received shows this account number in a 4pt font as: 10000000002987421000331 or something ridiculously long with no breaks and an indeterminate number of zeros stuck in just for funsies. Sometimes there are alpha characters that include the letters "I" and "O" to guarantee I can't get it right on the first try. For the love of Dog, and my failing eye sight, could you please break this up into 3 or 4 character sequences, and drop all the 0s out? And if you allow "I" and "O" into the mix, could you please find some other form of work where your clients enjoy being tortured? Oh, and stop using 4pt fonts, too. As I struggle to enter my account number I assuage my frustration by imagining which of the circles Dante would put you in.

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                                      Gary R Wheeler
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                                      Welcome to my world. This explains the lighted magnifier on my desk.

                                      Software Zen: delete this;

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                                      • J jeron1

                                        CodeWraith wrote:

                                        Texas....ordering soy

                                        Ordering soy, is that even legal in Texas, home of all things beef?

                                        "the debugger doesn't tell me anything because this code compiles just fine" - random QA comment "Facebook is where you tell lies to your friends. Twitter is where you tell the truth to strangers." - chriselst "I don't drink any more... then again, I don't drink any less." - Mike Mullikins uncle

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                                        jmaida
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                                        Absolutely legal. Anything and anyway with beef to make it tasty and tender is copacetic in Texas. Just not raw. It's not to be confused with sushi.

                                        "A little time, a little trouble, your better day" Badfinger

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                                          Welcome to my world. This explains the lighted magnifier on my desk.

                                          Software Zen: delete this;

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                                          jmaida
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                                          Don't get me going with legibility issues introduced by programming ignorance. Low contrast. Artsy but Grrr.

                                          "A little time, a little trouble, your better day" Badfinger

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